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Saying players working harder than ever

completely bought into his style

players have complete desire to achieve, firstly to stay up and then to move on

NC is a very demanding person and MP likes that..they both demand huge levels from their staff

NC desperate for the club to elevate itself to much higher levels

Players getting a lot fitter

plenty of work to do in the season

Very respectful for the work adkins done..

 

the panel then went on to talk about it.

 

MLT - very very impressed. can see what this guy is all about

Tommo - saints look great, need to keep it up

Mers - completely wrong about lambert, he should be a shoe in for england and he is as good as you get as a lone striker in the country

Charlie - love the new southampton style, love the pressing game and long may it continue

Jeff - "Seems cortese knows what he is doing and right all along, hey tis"

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I imagine the interview will be repeated on Sky Sports News but the rest was just part of Soccer Saturday.

 

Was a decent little chat with MP though. He really does have something about him. In his (translated) words, Nicola Cortese is "only human" - who knew?!

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Saying players working harder than ever

completely bought into his style

players have complete desire to achieve, firstly to stay up and then to move on

NC is a very demanding person and MP likes that..they both demand huge levels from their staff

NC desperate for the club to elevate itself to much higher levels

Players getting a lot fitter

plenty of work to do in the season

Very respectful for the work adkins done..

 

the panel then went on to talk about it.

 

MLT - very very impressed. can see what this guy is all about

Tommo - saints look great, need to keep it up

Mers - completely wrong about lambert, he should be a shoe in for england and he is as good as you get as a lone striker in the country

Charlie - love the new southampton style, love the pressing game and long may it continue

Jeff - "Seems cortese knows what he is doing and right all along, hey tis"

 

If steeling said that, fair play to the bloke!

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Really? What was he supposed to say - "I stick to my prediction and still don't think Lambert's going to reach 5 goals this season"?! The guy's an embarrassment.

 

he didn't have to mention Lambert at all... i think he's a f*cking pr1ck but he's admitted he was wrong on national tv when he could have just said nothing.

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Strange Le Tiss is being so complimentary, he is supposed to be trying to undermine the club according to the mongs on here.

 

Funny that. In fact I can't remember a single thing he's said or done to "damage the club" despite all the grizzling on here. Not a word.

 

But then I'm not the kind of spacker who has decided they support a chief executive rather than a sports team. A pity this forum is crawling with them.

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Funny that. In fact I can't remember a single thing he's said or done to "damage the club" despite all the grizzling on here. Not a word.

 

But then I'm not the kind of spacker who has decided they support a chief executive rather than a sports team. A pity this forum is crawling with them.

 

You dont think making those comments about the chairman that he has made isn´t damaging for the club?

And now I am talking about what people not close to the Saints will think of the club when hearing MLT.

 

Just a genuine question....

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You dont think making those comments about the chairman that he has made isn´t damaging for the club?

And now I am talking about what people not close to the Saints will think of the club when hearing MLT.

 

Just a genuine question....

 

The thing is, some of what MLT has said has not been positive but some on here have been banging on like it's undermining the club. Turning on a club legend as if he's doing something disastrous.

 

Then when Cortese makes the club look like a bunch of c*nts suddenly positive PR is not at all important.

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You dont think making those comments about the chairman that he has made isn´t damaging for the club?

And now I am talking about what people not close to the Saints will think of the club when hearing MLT.

 

Just a genuine question....

 

No they don't damage the club.

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The thing is, some of what MLT has said has not been positive but some on here have been banging on like it's undermining the club. Turning on a club legend as if he's doing something disastrous.

 

Then when Cortese makes the club look like a bunch of c*nts suddenly positive PR is not at all important.

 

Correct.

 

MLT says stuff about chairman: loads of grizzling about how it "damages the club".

 

Chairman actually does things to make us look like a terrible club: "who cares what people say about us as long as we're winning".

 

Couldn't make it up.

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Chairman actually does things to make us look like a terrible club: "who cares what people say about us as long as we're winning".

 

Couldn't make it up.

 

Out of interest, what has he done to make us look like a terrible club?

 

I'm hardly a big fan of his, but I can't think of anything that fits this other than forum rumours and gossip. Even his bolder moves, like replacing Adkins with MP, are now being praised by the press as this Soccer Saturday piece shows. In fact, I dare say we're now more popular and more frequently praised than we have been in quite a while.

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Out of interest, what has he done to make us look like a terrible club? .

 

Oh come on. Cortese has made loads of PR gaffs. Banning photographers, fell out with the Echo, spats with club legends, the harsh way he dealt with Adkins. Whenever there was any bad PR it was always "who cares what anyone else thinks". Matt says a few things that portray the club in a bad light and the world has ended.

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Oh come on. Cortese has made loads of PR gaffs. Banning photographers, fell out with the Echo, spats with club legends, the harsh way he dealt with Adkins. Whenever there was any bad PR it was always "who cares what anyone else thinks". Matt says a few things that portray the club in a bad light and the world has ended.

 

Sure, but which have made us look like a 'terrible club'? It's made NC look a plank for sure, but it hasn't made us look a terrible club due to the success, results and performances that have been maintained and improved on since he came onboard, which is ultimately how we're judged from the outside.

The bit about Adkins is rumour too, nothing has been said by Adkins, the club or anybody close to what really, truly happened. The best is people saying 'I know what happened' and then going quiet when asked 'what?'. Everything we hear is rumour.

 

Like I said, I'm not a fan of NC's as a bloke, he has made himself look an idiot, but I don't see how we've been made to look 'a terrible club'.

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Oh come on. Cortese has made loads of PR gaffs. Banning photographers, fell out with the Echo, spats with club legends, the harsh way he dealt with Adkins. Whenever there was any bad PR it was always "who cares what anyone else thinks". Matt says a few things that portray the club in a bad light and the world has ended.

Over reaction on both fronts methinks.

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Oh come on. Cortese has made loads of PR gaffs. Banning photographers, fell out with the Echo, spats with club legends, the harsh way he dealt with Adkins. Whenever there was any bad PR it was always "who cares what anyone else thinks". Matt says a few things that portray the club in a bad light and the world has ended.

 

So a few PR gaffs is making our club look terrible??

That´s pushing it a bit I think....

 

And I am pretty sure that most people in football in England knows nothing about these (IMO) small business decisions......if it weren´t for MLT and the constant talk in media about Cortese.

 

I love what MLT has done for the club but it is getting a bit ridicolous.

 

And for me it´s always about TODAY and where the club is going these days.........and to put a corporate spin on it...

Who do you think benefits the club most today, the present CEO or a former employee of the year??

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Sure, but which have made us look like a 'terrible club'? It's made NC look a plank for sure, but it hasn't made us look a terrible club due to the success, results and performances that have been maintained and improved on since he came onboard, which is ultimately how we're judged from the outside.

The bit about Adkins is rumour too, nothing has been said by Adkins, the club or anybody close to what really, truly happened. The best is people saying 'I know what happened' and then going quiet when asked 'what?'. Everything we hear is rumour.

 

Like I said, I'm not a fan of NC's as a bloke, he has made himself look an idiot, but I don't see how we've been made to look 'a terrible club'.

 

What MLT has said doesn't make us look a terrible club either but he gets ripped apart on here for just saying what he thinks. That's my point, bad PR either undermines the club or it doesn't.

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Out of interest, what has he done to make us look like a terrible club?

 

I'm hardly a big fan of his, but I can't think of anything that fits this other than forum rumours and gossip. Even his bolder moves, like replacing Adkins with MP, are now being praised by the press as this Soccer Saturday piece shows. In fact, I dare say we're now more popular and more frequently praised than we have been in quite a while.

 

I was specifically thinking about Adkins.

 

We're talking about PR here, and Adkins sacking made us look terrible.

 

You call it a "bold move" now, and it may all work out lovely but in those few days we looked like a bunck of co cks. That is a fact. We were questioned and criticised and laughed at and done down. That happened.

 

...which if you reply to this I am sure you wil brush aside with a brisk "well who cares what those people think". Fine. Don't care then. No problem.

 

But you can't then grizzle about ex-players supposedly "harming the club" with far more low profile, barely noticed comments.

 

Either you are bothered about how we are perceived, or you're not. Make your mind up.

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Funny that. In fact I can't remember a single thing he's said or done to "damage the club" despite all the grizzling on here. Not a word.

 

But then I'm not the kind of spacker who has decided they support a chief executive rather than a sports team. A pity this forum is crawling with them.

 

What a sad, butter **** you are. Speak sense FFS.

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Funny that. In fact I can't remember a single thing he's said or done to "damage the club" despite all the grizzling on here. Not a word.

 

But then I'm not the kind of spacker who has decided they support a chief executive rather than a sports team. A pity this forum is crawling with them.

 

Interesting that you see it in such a simplistic way?

 

I wouldn't have thought that rational thinking would produce such an 'either/or' result. Can a person who supports team or club not also applaud the good decisions and bemoan the bad ones. Do you not have mates or acquaintances who can't get on?

 

From my personal perspective I've supported Saints for over 50 years, idolised Matt the player and enjoyed Matt the person's company when I've briefly been in it or Matt the pundit - does this disqualify me from being able to see both the positive and the negative things about NC? I felt lousy about the Pardew and the Adkins sackings...I also felt let down by Matt's 'spot betting' revelations but that doesn't mean I have to take sides and speak from one agenda or the other surely?!!

 

I feel these things because for better or for worse I'm a Saints fan but to express the opinion that you have is playground-mentality, agenda-driven cr*p...in my opinion - in the cold light of the day can you logically defend your 'touching' loyalty to one side of an argument to the exclusion of all others?

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Funny that. In fact I can't remember a single thing he's said or done to "damage the club" despite all the grizzling on here. Not a word.

 

But then I'm not the kind of spacker who has decided they support a chief executive rather than a sports team. A pity this forum is crawling with them.

 

True. You're the sort of spacker who thinks it's OK to use terms like "spacker" to further a pointless argument.

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If people can't see the category distinction between making bold and potentially unpopular business decisions and whining like a little brat in the media then you have to question their intelligence or perspective.

 

Quite right.

 

One runs the risk of "damaging the club" - inherent in the process of making "bold decisions" - and one doesn't. At all.

 

Glad we agree.

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Saying players working harder than ever

completely bought into his style

players have complete desire to achieve, firstly to stay up and then to move on

NC is a very demanding person and MP likes that..they both demand huge levels from their staff

NC desperate for the club to elevate itself to much higher levels

Players getting a lot fitter

plenty of work to do in the season

Very respectful for the work adkins done..

 

the panel then went on to talk about it.

 

MLT - very very impressed. can see what this guy is all about

Tommo - saints look great, need to keep it up

Mers - completely wrong about lambert, he should be a shoe in for england and he is as good as you get as a lone striker in the country

Charlie - love the new southampton style, love the pressing game and long may it continue

Jeff - "Seems cortese knows what he is doing and right all along, hey tis"

 

Cheers for the summary.

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I was specifically thinking about Adkins.

 

We're talking about PR here, and Adkins sacking made us look terrible.

 

You call it a "bold move" now, and it may all work out lovely but in those few days we looked like a bunck of co cks. That is a fact. We were questioned and criticised and laughed at and done down. That happened.

 

...which if you reply to this I am sure you wil brush aside with a brisk "well who cares what those people think". Fine. Don't care then. No problem.

 

But you can't then grizzle about ex-players supposedly "harming the club" with far more low profile, barely noticed comments.

 

Either you are bothered about how we are perceived, or you're not. Make your mind up.

 

In those few days there was indeed shock and outrage, followed by acceptance, then understanding, then everyone is onboard with the decision. It's pretty standard human reactions. I don't think we ever looked a terrible club though, quite the opposite. I think during the early stages NC looked a terrible chairman, possibly a terrible man. But the club was spoken highly of, Adkins and our achievements were reflected upon positively, we were being discussed as a club for all the good things we've achieved, while at the same time being told how terrible NC is.

 

And I've never been grizzly about ex-players harming the club. I've never said whether I'm bothered about how we are perceived or not. I've never once attempted to brush your opinion aside - quite the contrary, I asked for you to expand on your opinion and explain the rationale behind it.

 

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder and an expectation that anybody who questions your opinion is doing so for a fight or to tell you you're wrong and know nothing. Actually, I didn't understand it so wanted to know more. In truth, I think you'll struggle to find any of the press reports about Adkins dismissal calling us a terrible club.

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In those few days there was indeed shock and outrage, followed by acceptance, then understanding, then everyone is onboard with the decision. It's pretty standard human reactions. I don't think we ever looked a terrible club though, quite the opposite. I think during the early stages NC looked a terrible chairman, possibly a terrible man. But the club was spoken highly of, Adkins and our achievements were reflected upon positively, we were being discussed as a club for all the good things we've achieved, while at the same time being told how terrible NC is.

 

And I've never been grizzly about ex-players harming the club. I've never said whether I'm bothered about how we are perceived or not. I've never once attempted to brush your opinion aside - quite the contrary, I asked for you to expand on your opinion and explain the rationale behind it.

 

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder and an expectation that anybody who questions your opinion is doing so for a fight or to tell you you're wrong and know nothing. Actually, I didn't understand it so wanted to know more. In truth, I think you'll struggle to find any of the press reports about Adkins dismissal calling us a terrible club.

 

Good. So Cortese is not the club. We agree on that then.

 

Pass the message on.

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The club existed before NC, it exists while he is chairman and will exist after he is gone, so I'm with you on that for sure!

 

Yes ..of course it did, but to be more accurate, the club was almost extinct before NC came.....and we were forced to sell some of our best prospects to pay salaries each month

during the summer ...and I'm bound to admit that ...had the Liebherr offer been accepted in May....then the likes of Dyer and Surman might still be on the books ...but let's not dwell on that, but instead say that Pochettino's new-found " acceptance " seems to have helped Saints turn the corner with the media and give them something positive to talk about.

 

Make you wonder how we can still appreciate Nigel Adkins... and yet have fallen under the spell of our new "supremo" ...after such a short time.

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Yes it did, but to be accurate, the club was almost extinct before NC came.....and we were forced to sell some of our best prospects to pay salaries each month

.and I'm bound to admit that .had the Liebherr offer been accepted in May....then the likes of Dyer and Surman might still be on the books ...but let's not dwell on that,

but instead say that Pochettino's new-found " acceptance " seems to have helped turn the corner and given the media something positive to talk about.

 

Make you wonder how we can still appreciate Nigel Adkins... and yet have fallen under the spell of our new "supremo" ...after such a short time.

 

This is a bit interesting.....do anyone remember how long time it took before people started to accept and like Adkins after the sacking of Pardew?

cause in my mind it seems to have gotten very much faster this time with MP.

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This is a bit interesting.....do anyone remember how long time it took before people started to accept and like Adkins after the sacking of Pardew?

cause in my mind it seems to have gotten very much faster this time with MP.

 

Nigel had the exact same stats as MP after his four matches: one loss (Mk Dons), one victory (Shef Wed), and two draws (Colchester and Yeovil). Think a lot of people was skeptical after the draw agains yeovil. At that time we kind of expected to beat everyone.

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CB finally makes a rational point... that maybe some of us do have a tendancy to want it both ways re the PR stuff. I guess it depends on what we believe should be in teh public domain and how its portrayed. Sacking Adkins was always going to be a highly controvercial issue that would have the media scurrying for rent a gob quotes form all and sundry in the game - and we wre treated to the whole shebang - badly handled all round...but it was a footballing issue and so we can not complain and new manager/old manager will always be big news - negative PR from the club which should have done better.

 

But NON foottballing matters aired in public ? Sorry, what is the point of it? Stirred by the media, will be divisive, and is frankly no-ones business. This is negative PR that is only in teh public domain because certain folks let it be known... so agin why? NO need for it.

 

So there is a difference even if the narcistic crew on here try to tell us otherwise...

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This is a bit interesting.....do anyone remember how long time it took before people started to accept and like Adkins after the sacking of Pardew?

cause in my mind it seems to have gotten very much faster this time with MP.

 

Think its more that many seem used to the method ogf change and givven teh success Adkins was building on what Pards had set, more willing to accept that NC must know what he is doing, and the improvements building again on Adkins foundation seem clear as day

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