monkadill Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 On Radio 5 live, Savage saying he would take Carol over lambert.. Debate on air! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 It isn't a debate. Lambert is ten times the player Carroll will ever be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 Must be a short debate surely a no brainier SRL over Carrol any day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 SRL by far the better player now. But England need to build for the future. Not sure Rickie is the long term answer. But for now. Rickie deserves to be on there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wedge Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 Carroll is younger and will therefore be picked ahead of Rickie every time. Sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 Funny how Carroll has one good game and people are talking about him getting back in the England squad. What about having a good season? FWIW I agree that Lambert is not the future for England, so I understand him not being picked. I do think he's made a mug of many top class defenders this season though, and if he carries on this form into next season, surely he has to go to the World Cup no matter his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 No contest IMHO. A bit part player against a true leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 Call them both up in place of Welbeck and Cleverly. Job done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 I think some people on here might be a little biased Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 (edited) Funny how Carroll has one good game and people are talking about him getting back in the England squad. What about having a good season? FWIW I agree that Lambert is not the future for England, so I understand him not being picked. I do think he's made a mug of many top class defenders this season though, and if he carries on this form into next season, surely he has to go to the World Cup no matter his age. Ricky is a far better all round player than Caroll look at the stats on assists and on closing down. Caroll is a lump up front like Holt and nothing else! Why are we interested in the long term! The world cup is next year and Ricky will still be fine by then! It's about time we do what the Germans do and pick a team to peak at the World Cup! Edited 30 March, 2013 by Saint Without a Halo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 Carol is the caucasian Heskey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 Me biased? Guilty as charged....but I would have Lambert as an England SQUAD player for the next couple of years regardless of his age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 Anyone who watches football that says Carroll is better right now regardless of age is a complete tool. However I can see why he's more likely to be called up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 Who cares what that idiot Savage thinks - he is welsh isn't he - he is trying to sabotage the England side - oh we have have Hodgson 'I love underperforming Manure players' doing that already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 Ricky is a far better all round player than Caroll look at the stats on assists and on closing down. Caroll is a lump up front like Holt and nothing else! Why are we interested in the long term! The world cup is next year and Ricky will still be fine by then! It's about time we do what the Germans do and pick a team to peak at the World Cup! Would have shoved someone like Shaw in against San Marino for the experience... and stuck Lahm on the Right. And yes they would take the leading Scorer regardless of age... which I guess is why since including 66... 6 WC final apprearance even when talent levels have beem lower...eg 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 Apples and pears comparison. Rickie isn't a carthorse, a physically dominant targetman. The comparison doesn't do justice to his game. Rickie has a brain and footballing awareness. Something that's hard to teach and something Carroll will never have . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Diamond Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 West Ham fans never cease to amaze me. Carroll has been injured for most of the season, scores one or two, and is instantly international class - rather than someone who has played nearly every game this season and scored plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 Savage just like Carrolls hair better, only reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 West Ham fans never cease to amaze me. Carroll has been injured for most of the season, scores one or two, and is instantly international class - rather than someone who has played nearly every game this season and scored plenty. Apart from the few down the road, they are the the most classless club I've come across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 Apples and pears comparison. Rickie isn't a carthorse, a physically dominant targetman. The comparison doesn't do justice to his game. Rickie has a brain and footballing awareness. Something that's hard to teach and something Carroll will never have . Absolutely! Rickie is a similar type of player to Teddy Sheringham - Not the quickest but has the 2 most important attributes - His reading of the game and his goal scoring prowess.. Carroll can't compete with him IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 It amazes me that this far into the season people still want to compare Lambert to Holt. The only comparison that justly springs to mind is Sheringham, and how old was when he won the bulk of his caps? I remember Platini being interviewed a few years after his successful tenure as France manager and he said that he felt the key to International management was to pick players on form regardless of age. Back then the comment was discussed by Saints fans with regard to Jimmy Case, it's just as relevant now with SRL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 It's like trying to compare Holt to Lambert. Only people that couldn't give two hoots about either would draw that comparison - lower league players, risen up, goalscorers that score goals in their first Premier League season. There's a massive difference though, Lambert is intrical to the way we play, a creator as well as a scorer. Holt is a fat battering ram. I know a lot of Norwich fans and most of them say they'd rather have Lambert over Holt this season. I personally don't think Lambert will ever see the England squad - but if Jay continues playing as he is, he surely won't be far behind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 If Jay Bothroyd can play for England whilst at Cardiff in the NPC, then so can Rickie Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringwood Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 well how many caps did Heskey get and how many goals? SRL is more than a goalscorer, like Sheringham and Heskey he could defo do a job, and was exactly the player England needed midweek to hold up the ball, but Englands loss our gain, heres hoping none of our players get called up, if injured playing for Saints thats hard luck but playing internationals could be costly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAS Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 Carroll should never be mentioned as being called up. He is a useless lump who can't stand up. SRL is leagues better and should be beyond comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 This building for the future is a load of crap. We've been building for the future since 1966 and we've won fck all. Football's played in the present. We haven't even qualified yet. If Caroll gets picked ahead of Lambert then that's it for me with England until the manger is replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 well how many caps did Heskey get and how many goals? 62 caps, 7 goals. For comparison, Teddy Sheringham got 51 caps and 11 goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 Ricky is a far better all round player than Caroll look at the stats on assists and on closing down. Caroll is a lump up front like Holt and nothing else! Why are we interested in the long term! The world cup is next year and Ricky will still be fine by then! It's about time we do what the Germans do and pick a team to peak at the World Cup! I agree with you. I didn't really articulate my point properly. Clearly if Lambert were to get in the squad, he is not going to play for England for any longer than a couple of seasons. Hodgson believes the likes of Welbeck and Cleverley are going to form the basis of the side for the next 6-10 years. Whether you agree or not (and you and I clearly don't) that is the policy, so that is why I understand the decision to leave him out. The fact it is entirely the wrong way to go about things IMO is completely by the by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 62 caps, 7 goals. For comparison, Teddy Sheringham got 51 caps and 11 goals. First cap aged 27, last aged 36... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 Saw a stat in one of the media previews - only 3 players in Europe's top leagues have created more chances from open play that SRL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 If you want to play long ball football then you would have Carroll. If you want to play football on the deck then you would have Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 Carroll's only talent, diving... Will make a great England player if you like watching the current England team/style of football... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 I'm happy for him not to be picked. I can imagine if he was and he didn't score, there would be endless talk about how low Hodgson had stooped picking a carthorse, journeyman, clogger from a relegation battling team instead of one of the bright, exciting, young players being brought through by united/Liverpool/whoever, who train week in week out with some of the best players in the world. That wouldn't be good for Lambert's self esteem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 March, 2013 Share Posted 30 March, 2013 Great goals from Carroll today, the second proving he's not the useless cart horse some on here would have you believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Great goals from Carroll today, the second proving he's not the useless cart horse some on here would have you believe. Yep, if he can stay fit and put a run of games together he'll score regularly. Don't see it as a Lambert vs Carroll debate really, very different players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 If you want to play long ball football then you would have Carroll. If you want to play football on the deck then you would have Lambert. Yep; the second half today from Saints was an object lesson in playing football on the deck. He wasn't used as a target man at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Can't they both be in the squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 I thought an England call up was on merit,obviously not the case The England setup is too much of a 'jobs for the boys' club where regardless of form you get in the team if your face fits. Exactly why I don't give a flying **** how England get on and exactly why we will always fail in international competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Carroll is a pub footballer, no better than that. He might have performed agaist St Marino but he will never win out against quality international players. That fact however, does not mean that Rickie will ever get an England cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Carroll is a pub footballer, no better than that. He might have performed agaist St Marino but he will never win out against quality international players. That fact however, does not mean that Rickie will ever get an England cap. He isn't, he didn't play against San Marino, although he did score 2 excellent goals yesterday and performed fairly well at Euro 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Dont understand why so many in media wants to humiliate Rickie. Having him in a sentence together with either Holt or Carroll are just humiliating. They should never be compared.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 He isn't, he didn't play against San Marino, although he did score 2 excellent goals yesterday and performed fairly well at Euro 2012. To clarify, I meant had he played against San Marino, my implication being that he will never be a performer against top international sides, only against average or poor international sides. Do you really think he can perform at the highest level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Listened to the 'debate' on my four hour drive after the game. Even had a Fat Sham fan agree that Lambert was a better pick currently, had LeTiss tweeting in how it was shameful that he's not in the squad and the overwhelming concensus went to Ricky. Savage is a talentless c*ck with an overbearing, shouting down, annoying voice..why the cluck he's employed in the media I have no idea. He got taken apart by a Saints fan called Peter though...only caught the back end of the actual exchange but it amused his senior presenter that he'd been comprehensively put in his place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 I thought an England call up was on merit,obviously not the case The England setup is too much of a 'jobs for the boys' club where regardless of form you get in the team if your face fits. Exactly why I don't give a flying **** how England get on and exactly why we will always fail in international competition. If we can see it why can't the FA? Its an absolute disgrace TBH. Playing for England is just another way of getting paid more to some players. Oh look I've an international cap - got to be worth a few thousand more a week! The likes of SRL would not have that poxy attitude to pulling on the England jersey I know and who is keeping him out Welbeck? Its ****ing laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Savage said on twitter he's going to do some analysis on Rickie on MOTD2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Carol Vorderman ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 To clarify, I meant had he played against San Marino, my implication being that he will never be a performer against top international sides, only against average or poor international sides. Do you really think he can perform at the highest level? Well he did at Euro 2012 did he not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Savage said on twitter he's going to do some analysis on Rickie on MOTD2 He said on 5live he might. Suspect he'll look at the evidence to see whether it justifies his position before deciding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 If we can see it why can't the FA? Its an absolute disgrace TBH. Playing for England is just another way of getting paid more to some players. Oh look I've an international cap - got to be worth a few thousand more a week! The likes of SRL would not have that poxy attitude to pulling on the England jersey I know and who is keeping him out Welbeck? Its ****ing laughable. Exactly mate,every time an England game comes around you could probably name the squad before its even announced,same old faces regardless of their club form........if we can predict it then so can the opposition,no surprises to scare the **** out of any team we face and complacent England players who know they will be picked regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Great goals from Carroll today, the second proving he's not the useless cart horse some on here would have you believe. His second was a good finish yesterday. How often does he finish like that though? Once a season? There's a reason that Liverpool don't want him; it's the same reason that will see West Ham pass on the chance to sign him at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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