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The Premier League has updated the squad lists for the rest of the season: https://www.premierleague.com/news/3044867

 

No surprises. We now have 10 home grown players in our 25 man squad.  The lists do confirm the departure of Jimmy Jay Morgan (although he is not listed under Chelsea).

25 Squad players (*Home grown)

  1. Abdul Karim, Mohamed Salisu

  2. Adams, Che Zach Everton Fred*

  3. Armstrong, Adam James*

  4. Armstrong, Stuart

  5. Ayodele-Aribo, Joseph

  6. Bednarek, Jan

  7. Bree, James Patrick*

  8. Caballero Lazcano, Wilfredo Daniel

  9. Ćaleta-Car, Duje

  10. Diallo, Ibrahima

  11. Djenepo, Moussa

  12. El Younossi, Mohamed

  13. Evangelista Silveira Neves Vojnovic, Lynaco

  14. Lancashire, Oliver*

  15. Maitland-Niles, Ainsley*

  16. McCarthy, Alex Simon*

  17. Onuachu, Ebere Paul

  18. Oršić, Mislav

  19. Perraud, Romain Paul Jean Michel

  20. Vokins, Jake*

  21. Walcott, Theo James*

  22. Walker-Peters, Kyle Leonardus*

  23. Ward-Prowse, James Michael Edward*

 

U21 players (Contracts and Scholars)

  1. Alcaraz Duran, Carlos Jonas

  2. Amo-Ameyaw, Samuel Christian Osaze K O

  3. Andrews, Joseph Daniel

  4. Armitage, Will

  5. Babic, Goran Gogo

  6. Bailey, Isaac Joseph

  7. Bailey, Samuel James

  8. Ballard, Dominic

  9. Bazunu, Gavin

  10. Bella-Kotchap, Armel

  11. Bellis, Samuel Lawrence Alexander

  12. Boot, Nathaniel Joshua Asiimwe

  13. Bragg, Cameron Roger

  14. Bycroft, Jack Thomas

  15. Carson, Matthew

  16. Charles, Brandon Davis

  17. Chauke, Kgaogelo

  18. Chavez-Munoz, Ryan Jorge

  19. Davis, Sonnie

  20. Dibling, Tyler-Jay

  21. Doyle, Kamari Olivier

  22. Edmondson, Tyler James

  23. Edozie, Samuel Ikechukwu

  24. Edwards, Milan Diamond Lazane

  25. Evans, Reggie James

  26. Finnigan, Ryan James

  27. Hall, Matthew

  28. Hartness, Ethan Andre Thomas

  29. Hewlett, Jeremiah James

  30. Higgs, Tommy Lee

  31. Jeffries, Josh David

  32. Larios Lopez, Juan

  33. Lavia, Romeo

  34. Lawrence, Nico

  35. Lett, Joshua Matthew

  36. Livramento, Valentino

  37. Mara, Sékou

  38. Meghoma Jayden Ade Trindade

  39. Merry, William George

  40. Mohamed, Adli Hatim Othman Husain Elkhidir

  41. Olaigbe, Kazeem Aderemi J.

  42. Otseh-Taiwo, Zuriel

  43. Pambou Makaya, Leon

  44. Payne, Lewis James

  45. Pearce, Luke Edward Andrew

  46. Prescott, Alfie Leo

  47. Ross-Lang, Fedel

  48. Simeu, Dynel Brown Kemgo

  49. Small, Thierry

  50. Squires, Joshua David

  51. Stepien Iwumene, Emeka Alex

  52. Stewart, Jak

  53. Sulemana, Kamaldeen

  54. Tizzard, Wiliam

  55. Turner, Jack

  56. Watts, Caleb Cassius

  57. Woods, Harvey James

  58. Wright, Oliver

  59. Wright, Rylee

We also have 5 over-21 players out on loan (not listed)

  1. Lis, Mateusz

  2. Nlundulu, Dan*

  3. Smallbone, William Anthony Patrick*

  4. Stephens, Jack*

  5. Tella, Nathan*


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1 hour ago, Over land and sea said:

The Premier League has updated the squad lists for the rest of the season: https://www.premierleague.com/news/3044867

 

No surprises. We now have 10 home grown players in our 25 man squad.  The lists do confirm the departure of Jimmy Jay Morgan (although he is not listed under Chelsea).

25 Squad players (*Home grown)

 

  1. Abdul Karim, Mohamed Salisu

     

  2. Adams, Che Zach Everton Fred*

     

  3. Armstrong, Adam James*

     

  4. Armstrong, Stuart

     

  5. Ayodele-Aribo, Joseph

     

  6. Bednarek, Jan

     

  7. Bree, James Patrick*

     

  8. Caballero Lazcano, Wilfredo Daniel

     

  9. Ćaleta-Car, Duje

     

  10. Diallo, Ibrahima

     

  11. Djenepo, Moussa

     

  12. El Younossi, Mohamed

     

  13. Evangelista Silveira Neves Vojnovic, Lynaco

     

  14. Lancashire, Oliver*

     

  15. Maitland-Niles, Ainsley*

     

  16. McCarthy, Alex Simon*

     

  17. Onuachu, Ebere Paul

     

  18. Oršić, Mislav

     

  19. Perraud, Romain Paul Jean Michel

     

  20. Vokins, Jake*

     

  21. Walcott, Theo James*

     

  22. Walker-Peters, Kyle Leonardus*

     

  23. Ward-Prowse, James Michael Edward*

     

 

 

U21 players (Contracts and Scholars)

 

  1. Alcaraz Duran, Carlos Jonas

     

  2. Amo-Ameyaw, Samuel Christian Osaze K O

     

  3. Andrews, Joseph Daniel

     

  4. Armitage, Will

     

  5. Babic, Goran Gogo

     

  6. Bailey, Isaac Joseph

     

  7. Bailey, Samuel James

     

  8. Ballard, Dominic

     

  9. Bazunu, Gavin

     

  10. Bella-Kotchap, Armel

     

  11. Bellis, Samuel Lawrence Alexander

     

  12. Boot, Nathaniel Joshua Asiimwe

     

  13. Bragg, Cameron Roger

     

  14. Bycroft, Jack Thomas

     

  15. Carson, Matthew

     

  16. Charles, Brandon Davis

     

  17. Chauke, Kgaogelo

     

  18. Chavez-Munoz, Ryan Jorge

     

  19. Davis, Sonnie

     

  20. Dibling, Tyler-Jay

     

  21. Doyle, Kamari Olivier

     

  22. Edmondson, Tyler James

     

  23. Edozie, Samuel Ikechukwu

     

  24. Edwards, Milan Diamond Lazane

     

  25. Evans, Reggie James

     

  26. Finnigan, Ryan James

     

  27. Hall, Matthew

     

  28. Hartness, Ethan Andre Thomas

     

  29. Hewlett, Jeremiah James

     

  30. Higgs, Tommy Lee

     

  31. Jeffries, Josh David

     

  32. Larios Lopez, Juan

     

  33. Lavia, Romeo

     

  34. Lawrence, Nico

     

  35. Lett, Joshua Matthew

     

  36. Livramento, Valentino

     

  37. Mara, Sékou

     

  38. Meghoma Jayden Ade Trindade

     

  39. Merry, William George

     

  40. Mohamed, Adli Hatim Othman Husain Elkhidir

     

  41. Olaigbe, Kazeem Aderemi J.

     

  42. Otseh-Taiwo, Zuriel

     

  43. Pambou Makaya, Leon

     

  44. Payne, Lewis James

     

  45. Pearce, Luke Edward Andrew

     

  46. Prescott, Alfie Leo

     

  47. Ross-Lang, Fedel

     

  48. Simeu, Dynel Brown Kemgo

     

  49. Small, Thierry

     

  50. Squires, Joshua David

     

  51. Stepien Iwumene, Emeka Alex

     

  52. Stewart, Jak

     

  53. Sulemana, Kamaldeen

     

  54. Tizzard, Wiliam

     

  55. Turner, Jack

     

  56. Watts, Caleb Cassius

     

  57. Woods, Harvey James

     

  58. Wright, Oliver

     

  59. Wright, Rylee

     

We also have 5 over-21 players out on loan (not listed)

  1. Lis, Mateusz

     

  2. Nlundulu, Dan*

     

  3. Smallbone, William Anthony Patrick*

     

  4. Stephens, Jack*

     

  5. Tella, Nathan*

 

 

With 9? first team players in the u21 category, this means we now have 32 players in the first team squad, though that does include Lancashire and Vokins. Going to be quite a clear out in the Summer, whether we stay up or not, I would imagine. Pathway to the first team for our Academy players is currently blocked big time.

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Is there any possibility that the reason we keep playing the useless Janny B is because he has something weird in his contract like 'must play when fit' or is that always balls? I'm struggling to think of any possible reason why Selles likes him, and wonder if that was a condition of his recall from Villa. If he plays any more I think that a) we are definitely down and b) there is way too much control of players beyond the manager, which always means trouble

For me, we need to install Caleta Car in as the first name in the defence, alongside Bella-Kotchap, with Perraud and KWP. That's a decent defence. Build from that. Can't see any way we can avoid leaking goals like a sieve without it. Maybe even get Willy in in goal for a bit as Bazanu's confidence must be all over the place.

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On 28/02/2023 at 18:11, DT said:

Is there any possibility that the reason we keep playing the useless Janny B is because he has something weird in his contract like 'must play when fit' or is that always balls? I'm struggling to think of any possible reason why Selles likes him, and wonder if that was a condition of his recall from Villa. If he plays any more I think that a) we are definitely down and b) there is way too much control of players beyond the manager, which always means trouble

For me, we need to install Caleta Car in as the first name in the defence, alongside Bella-Kotchap, with Perraud and KWP. That's a decent defence. Build from that. Can't see any way we can avoid leaking goals like a sieve without it. Maybe even get Willy in in goal for a bit as Bazanu's confidence must be all over the place.

Some good points here DT,  but JB is the most inconsistent player in the club.  He often does a very good job, but on a bad day he's a real liability.

Likewise ABK gives standout personal performances, but he doesn't always seem to know where his defensive partners are.....

Stats. show that Salisu often DAJFU, but he can't seem to find a good CB partner. 

Caleta-Car is good, but should never have retaliated. The Grimsby player provoked him, then went down like a tree which was enough to earn the penalty. 

Lyanco can give out some stick,(ala Romeu), but is something of a " loose cannon" and I am always fearing that his next tackle might earn a yellow.

I also like KWP and Perraud  as first choice full backs, but Maitland-Niles has shown up well in some recent games and deserves a starting place.

Few goalies are perfect, but dropping Bazunu now would kill his confidence.  He must learn to play against the Man.United's and Tottenham's

in this league if he is to become a real Prem. keeper, and whilst Caballero might do well in an emergency - Bazunu is " the future" and (not Willy). 

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1 hour ago, david in sweden said:

Some good points here DT,  but JB is the most inconsistent player in the club.  He often does a very good job, but on a bad day he's a real liability.

Likewise ABK gives standout personal performances, but he doesn't always seem to know where his defensive partners are.....

Stats. show that Salisu often DAJFU, but he can't seem to find a good CB partner. 

Caleta-Car is good, but should never have retaliated. The Grimsby player provoked him, then went down like a tree which was enough to earn the penalty. 

Lyanco can give out some stick,(ala Romeu), but is something of a " loose cannon" and I am always fearing that his next tackle might earn a yellow.

I also like KWP and Perraud  as first choice full backs, but Maitland-Niles has shown up well in some recent games and deserves a starting place.

Few goalies are perfect, but dropping Bazunu now would kill his confidence.  He must learn to play against the Man.United's and Tottenham's

in this league if he is to become a real Prem. keeper, and whilst Caballero might do well in an emergency - Bazunu is " the future" and (not Willy). 

Caballero is a proven Premiership standard goalkeeper, Bazunu is not. Forget the 'future', we need solidity now. Our Premiership survival is at stake. Bazunu made two absolute howlers yesterday that could've cost us even more points than he's already cost us this season. Caballero talks and marshals the defence whereas Bazunu makes players in front of him (and fans) nervous. Time to take him out of the firing line and give everyone's nerves a rest.

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35 minutes ago, Boris Karloff said:

Ornstein in The Athletic saying that Salisu isn't injured but lacks commitment. I guess that's the last we've seen of him in a Saints shirt then. Disappointing if true. 

just shows how difficult it is to manage these players and their contracts. How many of us would have complained if Newcastle's £40m offer 15 months ago had been accepted (assuming it was genuine)? But on reflection we should have taken it as he has underperformed since.

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On 08/04/2023 at 19:13, Crab Lungs said:

Moi’s expiry is defo 2023, right?

unless we gave another contract without announcing it......[shudder].

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3 hours ago, Chez said:

unless we gave another contract without announcing it......[shudder].

All I know is that there is one on the table for him, and it still is there - up to him to sign it, but he wanted to wait until the end of the season. I find it absolutely criminal that there is even an offer on the table tbh - whoever made that call needs dumping.

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59 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

All I know is that there is one on the table for him, and it still is there - up to him to sign it, but he wanted to wait until the end of the season. I find it absolutely criminal that there is even an offer on the table tbh - whoever made that call needs dumping.

Probably the same idiot who thought giving Djenpo another one was a good idea.

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On 10/04/2023 at 13:52, S-Clarke said:

All I know is that there is one on the table for him, and it still is there - up to him to sign it, but he wanted to wait until the end of the season. I find it absolutely criminal that there is even an offer on the table tbh - whoever made that call needs dumping.

On 10/04/2023 at 14:52, Lee On Solent Saint said:

Probably the same idiot who thought giving Djenpo another one was a good idea.

I would have thought Ralph would have made the decisions/recommendations. And he has been dumped.

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On 10/04/2023 at 11:17, Chez said:

unless we gave another contract without announcing it......[shudder].

Any Prem. player who has experienced International football will want to keep his stock high and not drop down a division, AND a salary scale.

LIfe at the top can be precarious and while we may offer new contracts to some,  I think some agents already have  a Plan B - if Saints get relegated.

As I wrote before, Those " class acts " ....JWP, Lavia,  KWP,  Salisu  and ABK  won't be short of interested suitors and may well move during the summer.

Elyounoussi may join Redmond at Besiktas in Turkey (?), whilst I'd keep Walcott and Caballero for another year (if only for the value of their experience).

 

Adam Armstrong and Che Adams will be in demand elsewhere, and " as good as they maybe" , I don't see them "suddenly" finding form in the Saints set-up.

The likes of Djenepo and Aribo  (who have been demoted to the bench), would likely run riot against some Championship defences.

Hopefully, the new crop of youngsters might do well in their second season, whilst the likes of  Ballard, Doyle and Payne - who show talent far

above their age group - would certainly develop quicker playing at a lower level.

 

We have a number of others away on loan and both Tella and Smallbone have made a good impression in their performances with Championship clubs . 

Jack Stephens (currently loaned to Bournemouth) is under contract to Saints until 2025 (?) and might well be back , unless he moves to B'mouth

permanently,(?) .. or even moves back to his home town Plymouth side (?) ...who may also be a Championship side by next season.

 

Obviously we might survive in a  " The Great Escape " scenario again, but in all honesty I don't see this squad avoiding a similar fate next season,

despite having already spent 150 million in the last year, but to little effect. 

Relegation would give us +/- another 100 million in transfer fess / reducing the salary bill, and give our younger talents a chance to show up well .

Neither survival , or relegation seems like  a good solution a.t.m. - but for totally different reasons.

 

  

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Salisu who looks like he would add to our team frozen out because he won't sign a contract. Moi the one who looks frozen in place also won't sign a new contract. Yeah, the people running this club are football geniuses.

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57 minutes ago, Mystic Force said:

Salisu who looks like he would add to our team frozen out because he won't sign a contract. Moi the one who looks frozen in place also won't sign a new contract. Yeah, the people running this club are football geniuses.

Slightly different scenarios, one wants to play and the other doesn’t.

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On 01/05/2023 at 15:33, InvictaSaint said:

Silver linings and all that….

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Not hard to understand.   For someone his age who's already played in several countries, and enjoys  Prem. level salaries  

and will find it hard to keep his international status  if he ends up playing  in the Championship .    I'd say it's  a "no-brainer " . 

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13 hours ago, david in sweden said:

Not hard to understand.   For someone his age who's already played in several countries, and enjoys  Prem. level salaries  

and will find it hard to keep his international status  if he ends up playing  in the Championship .    I'd say it's  a "no-brainer " . 

plus he's on a free, so an attractive proposition to other teams which will help him get a better salary. He's not as bad as everyone makes out, but he certainly wont be missed. 

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1 hour ago, SaintNewForest said:

Fedel Ross-Lang first to announce his departure this summer via Instagram.

the first of the double barrel names to fall. I wonder how many more we will lose this summer.

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On 10/05/2023 at 21:52, SaintNewForest said:

Fedel Ross-Lang first to announce his departure this summer via Instagram.

Fedel and Ross I couldn’t care less about but Lang was a decent player

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9 hours ago, Smirking_Saint said:

In all fairness wasn’t that the guy that said we’d definitely definitely be getting a new manager ?

No idea, but Moi leaving has been the most obvious story for about 12 months.

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On 15/05/2023 at 07:09, SuperSAINT said:

No idea, but Moi leaving has been the most obvious story for about 12 months.

You're right, but I'll still be off to the pub when the released and retained list confirms it. It's almost impressive, but I simply cannot believe he has managed to hang around long enough to clock up 87 appearances for us. What a symptom of our malaise since 2018.

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I’m really starting to think that Theo might be worth a one year contract. He still has pace, has bags of experience and could help some of the youngsters adjust to the Championship. Perhaps could even transition to a player-coach role and become part of the coaching set-up? 

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1 hour ago, SW11_Saint said:

I’m really starting to think that Theo might be worth a one year contract. He still has pace, has bags of experience and could help some of the youngsters adjust to the Championship. Perhaps could even transition to a player-coach role and become part of the coaching set-up? 

Also helped by the lack of VAR next season, so some of these early runs where he scores offside might actually count

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12 hours ago, SW11_Saint said:

I’m really starting to think that Theo might be worth a one year contract. He still has pace, has bags of experience and could help some of the youngsters adjust to the Championship. Perhaps could even transition to a player-coach role and become part of the coaching set-up? 

If rumours of dressing room standards are true, Theo could do nothing to impose the standards we should have had as basics, let alone those he would have experienced elsewhere.

He was a high earner, that we were trying to move on. It would have to be a heck of a lot less for us to be picking him up for the Championship. There may even be some residual desire to get shot of him now, since they couldn't before.

Despite looking like one of our brighter players recently, it's an incredibly low bar.

It would be tough to say his time with us has been a success for any party.

No idea if he's interested in coaching badges, but we could do without coaching passengers when doing our staff clear out.

Sure he's a lovely bloke, and still has skill, but it would have to be a cracking deal for us in terms of wages, to sign him again.

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1 hour ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

If rumours of dressing room standards are true, Theo could do nothing to impose the standards we should have had as basics, let alone those he would have experienced elsewhere.

He was a high earner, that we were trying to move on. It would have to be a heck of a lot less for us to be picking him up for the Championship. There may even be some residual desire to get shot of him now, since they couldn't before.

Despite looking like one of our brighter players recently, it's an incredibly low bar.

It would be tough to say his time with us has been a success for any party.

No idea if he's interested in coaching badges, but we could do without coaching passengers when doing our staff clear out.

Sure he's a lovely bloke, and still has skill, but it would have to be a cracking deal for us in terms of wages, to sign him again.

Yes of course, it would have to be on vastly reduced terms. No idea who Martin will bring with him, or if space in the coaching staff. Just a thought…

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4 minutes ago, SW11_Saint said:

Yes of course, it would have to be on vastly reduced terms. No idea who Martin will bring with him, or if space in the coaching staff. Just a thought…

Yeah, and not knocking your opinion on it at all. Just letting my inner voice get typed. 🙂

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21 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

If rumours of dressing room standards are true, Theo could do nothing to impose the standards we should have had as basics, let alone those he would have experienced elsewhere.

He was a high earner, that we were trying to move on. It would have to be a heck of a lot less for us to be picking him up for the Championship. There may even be some residual desire to get shot of him now, since they couldn't before.

Despite looking like one of our brighter players recently, it's an incredibly low bar.

It would be tough to say his time with us has been a success for any party.

No idea if he's interested in coaching badges, but we could do without coaching passengers when doing our staff clear out.

Sure he's a lovely bloke, and still has skill, but it would have to be a cracking deal for us in terms of wages, to sign him again.

Given that he is out of contract, whatever he is on now or has been on is irrelevant. His current option is unemployment, so a very low offer might be tempting (given he is already (or at least should be, a very rich man).  

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2 hours ago, VectisSaint said:

Given that he is out of contract, whatever he is on now or has been on is irrelevant. His current option is unemployment, so a very low offer might be tempting (given he is already (or at least should be, a very rich man).  

I was thinking that, as a free agent, he'd get better offers from somewher than what we should be paying him in the Championship. Perhaps he will be more willing because of club connections, but he could just as easily leave this basket case for somewhere abroad.

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2 hours ago, VectisSaint said:

Given that he is out of contract, whatever he is on now or has been on is irrelevant. His current option is unemployment, so a very low offer might be tempting (given he is already (or at least should be, a very rich man).  

Yep. £20k a week is a hell of a pay cut, but still gives him £1m pre tax for a years work. Personally I'd keep for a year on sensible wages. We'll need some maturity in the changing room if the likes of Stu, JWP, KWP, Bednarek, Ely, McCarthy, etc, move on. 

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On 23/05/2023 at 21:26, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I was thinking that, as a free agent, he'd get better offers from somewher than what we should be paying him in the Championship. Perhaps he will be more willing because of club connections, but he could just as easily leave this basket case for somewhere abroad.

I’d be looking for a couple of years in the MLS if I was Theo, easy money to live somewhere nice and wind down his career.  Then retire into punditry, he’s always been well spoken and come across well in interviews etc and he still has the hint of star dust.

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Daily Echo reporting that WIlly Caballero is taking about a further year contract. Which is extremely positive as he has been instrumental in settling his compatriot Alcaraz in.

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On 31/05/2023 at 21:51, Whitey Grandad said:

Interesting stats.    Only a very few at the top end of these charts get between 35K and 50K /week.    The average is well under 30K.

Swansea's highest paid player is Oliver Ntcham  27K /week , and both Joe Allen and Kyle Naughton are well into their thirties and get around 20k /week.

Players like the rumoured signings who might move with Russel Martin;  Matt Grimes and Joel PIroe ....get just around 12,000 /week. 

They surely wouldn't object to a wage hike to 15-20K /week - if they move when Martin eventually arrives. 

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