N/West Saint Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 Quick one, would you take Ince as Manager if he became available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 He seems like he could be a good manager at this level, and i'd definately prefer him to be manager than Jan. Sign him up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jim Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 no thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 December, 2008 Share Posted 14 December, 2008 He seems like he could be a good manager at this level, and i'd definately prefer him to be manager than Jan. Sign him up! Based on what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 think the jump from MK Dons to Prem was a bit too big and he needed to cut his teeth in the CCC for a season or to. Keene looked to have what it takes but ditched the black cats as soon as thinks looked like they were going bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Soze Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Seeing how well Leicester are doing is yet another reminder of how big a mistake it was to remove Pearson....god I hate Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxy Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Nope. And regarding Pearson, did we not finish in the sme position we currently occupy with a squad which was stronger on paper and on experience? Jan's not the problem. Money is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Think Ince could do a job yes. But as Jan is still in the job it's pretty pointless talking about it really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Seeing how well Leicester are doing is yet another reminder of how big a mistake it was to remove Pearson....god I hate Lowe. Seeing as Leicester are in a league below us with more money and a CCC squad you mean? While we are in the same position that Pearson left us in with less money and a team made up of a handfull of CCC players and the rest from the acadamy and reserves. Whats your point got to do with Ince or JP though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Why? It reminds us that if we had become Leicester fans we would be supporting a club top of a lower league right now? Eh? How do we know how we'd have done in league 1, regardless of who would have been in charge? How do we know how Pearson would have done at saints with the current difficulties? It seems to me the only things we know are what Pearson did for a few months at saints last season with a largely different squad, and what Pearson has done at a different club in a different league with different players this season. I don't quite understand. BUt had Pearson been here the squad would not have suffered from so much knee-jerk hacking down of the squad, while he would have also blended deserving young players into a better balanced side.. The crowd were behind him and gates would have been higher. This is evident from his actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 No. I didn't rate him when he was touted as a possible before Pearson and I don't rate him now that he's proved he's not much cop at Blackburn. He seemed reasonable when he was managing in the lower divisions, so perhaps he can be the one when we are relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 BUt had Pearson been here the squad would not have suffered from so much knee-jerk hacking down of the squad, while he would have also blended deserving young players into a better balanced side.. The crowd were behind him and gates would have been higher. This is evident from his actions. LOL so you think the knee jerk hacking down of the squad was JP's idea? And if Pearson was still here it wouldnt have happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Nope. And regarding Pearson, did we not finish in the sme position we currently occupy with a squad which was stronger on paper and on experience? Jan's not the problem. Money is. Couldn't put it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Ince has not proved himself at ANY level, my Nan could have got MKDons out of League 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Quick one, would you take Ince as Manager if he became available? Ince, Coleman, Allardyce have ALL already turned down the opportunity to work with Saints recently. I'd die for Ince.... but he's already said 'no fekking chance, WITH THAT ***** lOWE IN CHARGE? yOU'RE AVIN A LAFF' or words to that effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Bald_Si Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 What a pointless thread! Are we going to compare our current manager with every other random manager that might become "available"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 What a pointless thread! Are we going to compare our current manager with every other random manager that might become "available"? Well, don't post on it then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Couldn't put it better. I could. Jan's not the problem. Lack of money is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 my Nan could have got MKDons out of League 2. Is she available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Ince ? ...you're joking. He's a first rate idiot with an inflated sense of own importance. I've said it before but I'll say it again. How can you take anyone seriously who invented his own nickname as a player ("the Guv'nor") that of course no one actually used, except to mock him. What a prat! K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Bald_Si Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Ince ? ...you're joking. He's a first rate idiot with an inflated sense of own importance. I've said it before but I'll say it again. How can you take anyone seriously who invented his own nickname as a player ("the Guv'nor") that of course no one actually used, except to mock him. What a prat! K. Ha! This made me chuckle, because you're 100% correct! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Ince ? ...you're joking. He's a first rate idiot with an inflated sense of own importance. I've said it before but I'll say it again. How can you take anyone seriously who invented his own nickname as a player ("the Guv'nor") that of course no one actually used, except to mock him. What a prat! K. 5 Live were saying yesterday lunchtime that all did not seem to be well at Blackburn before a ball was even kicked this season. Perhaps his Macclesfield - where he did work wonders to be fair - and MK Dons approach is less effective with multi-millionaries? Blackburn was a bad choice IMO, financially stable but when a medium-sized club has overachieved with one manager who has been there a while - Curbishley at Charlton for example - it can be a poison chalice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mprobert Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Seeing how well Leicester are doing is yet another reminder of how big a mistake it was to remove Pearson....god I hate Lowe. Are you on the right thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 5 Live were saying yesterday lunchtime that all did not seem to be well at Blackburn before a ball was even kicked this season. Perhaps his Macclesfield - where he did work wonders to be fair - and MK Dons approach is less effective with multi-millionaries? Blackburn was a bad choice IMO, financially stable but when a medium-sized club has overachieved with one manager who has been there a while - Curbishley at Charlton for example - it can be a poison chalice. Not directly saints-related. Sorry mods. But it is a totally different world running a club with a squad of overpaid millionaire prima donna, mostly foreign, mercenaries, to running a lower league club where the players are desperate to impress the manager to get/retain a contract. "I used to be a Man United player" wins repect in Macclesfield or Milton Keynes, but is likely to get the response "So what?" or "So did I", or even just "Que?" at a club like Blackburn. K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Seeing how well Leicester are doing is yet another reminder of how big a mistake it was to remove Pearson....god I hate Lowe. this point makes people look stupid.. are sunderland peed off right now that they dont have mccarthy back as he is doing well in the CCC and they are struggling..? of course not.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Unrelated but I really feel for Incey. Half the board never wanted him. Players didn't want him and now he looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights of a Robin Reliant!!! He just looked empty on MoTD. I couldn't give a stuff about Blackburn but always bad to see a young English manager fall foul of the system that promotes beyond competence and then destroys careers. Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 on a slightly different note..this is another reason why i felt luggy was a stupid appointment at that time.. ince is clearly out of his depth at the mo....and shows that getting in a manager from two leagues down is dodgy as hell...and we would have suffered similar fate if luggy stayed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Ince or Jan? Is that a trick question? That's like asking the condemned man whether he would prefer the gallows or the guillotine. In the end, does it really make a difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 on a slightly different note..this is another reason why i felt luggy was a stupid appointment at that time.. ince is clearly out of his depth at the mo....and shows that getting in a manager from two leagues down is dodgy as hell...and we would have suffered similar fate if luggy stayed... Hmm, not sure there old son. He had a 50% win ratio and ain't doing too bad a job with a bunch of plumbers and electricians as you have pointed out before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Ince should have joined a CCC club before taking a Premiership club, his signings have been terrible. I can't see one decent player he's signed for Blackburn, he's just out of his depth. I don't think we're the club for him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Nope. And regarding Pearson, did we not finish in the sme position we currently occupy with a squad which was stronger on paper and on experience? Jan's not the problem. Money is. No it's not. It's the lack of money that is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Jan's not the problem. Money is. Using Sir Clive Woodward to argue the point, when he came here people wrote reams on how his sports science pays attention to every little detail, and adding up all these little 1% improvements can make a real difference. So why now are people now happy to trot out that money is the problem, and nothing else? If you believe that a number of tiny improvements can add up to a big diffrence in performance, surely you cannot discount the possibility that a change of coach/manager bringing the right coaching, motivational, organisational and tactical skills could make a difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintmatt Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 now we've got this sorted.. Jan or Feb - in which month will we collect the most points? ...ill get my coat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 I could. Jan's not the problem. Lack of money is. So Jan is the best we could do in the current circumstances is he? LOL. If people seriosuly believe that then they know little about football. Jan is out of his depth, and we could do better with a manager that understands the Football League. Ince, though is definitely not the answer, though he would probably do better than Jan. Having inexperienced players is all very well if you have someone good who can work with them to get the best out of them, Jan is not that person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 So Jan is the best we could do in the current circumstances is he? LOL. If people seriosuly believe that then they know little about football. Jan is out of his depth, and we could do better with a manager that understands the Football League. Ince, though is definitely not the answer, though he would probably do better than Jan. Having inexperienced players is all very well if you have someone good who can work with them to get the best out of them, Jan is not that person. unblievable isnt it...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Using Sir Clive Woodward to argue the point, when he came here people wrote reams on how his sports science pays attention to every little detail, and adding up all these little 1% improvements can make a real difference. So why now are people now happy to trot out that money is the problem, and nothing else? If you believe that a number of tiny improvements can add up to a big diffrence in performance, surely you cannot discount the possibility that a change of coach/manager bringing the right coaching, motivational, organisational and tactical skills could make a difference? Clive had access to the best rugy players in England. They played against the best rugby players from other countries. Do you think that if I had given Clive the Esher rugby team they would have won the world cup?? Thought not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Seeing how well Leicester are doing is yet another reminder of how big a mistake it was to remove Pearson....god I hate Lowe. I'm sorry but this statement is simply ridiculous! Get it through your skulls! Leicester are in League 1, too right they should be doing well. They have Milan Mandaric keeping their heads above water financially which has allowed them to keep hold of players like Matty Fryatt, not to mention able to pay the wages of the likes of Kerrea Gilbert, Stephen Clemence, Matty Oakley, Steve Howard, Bruno N'Gotty, Hary Worley, Paul Dickov and Jack Hobbs. All former or current Premier League players with bags of experience and probably all of them to a man on more than our current "big earners". Rupert Lowe hasnt crippled us financially. He is simply making a lot of decisions in light of the financial mis-management the club made when ousting him the first time round. Still, the anti-Lowers appear to think that Lowe is responsible for the manner in which we went gung-ho for promotion 2 seasons ago with no plan B in the event of failure. The club is not in an ideal situation. We all love this club equally and ultimately want the same thing but I dont get how we can compare Leicester City who have a Championship squad in League 1 to us, with a League 2 squad in terms of experience in the Championship. I know where I would rather be. As for Paul Ince, Blackburn might not be brilliant but they've got some pretty decent players like Gamst Pedersen, McCarthy and Santa Cruz and Ince has done nothing there to impress me. He did okay at MK Dons but he wouldnt change much at Southampton in our current position. No-one would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Nope. And regarding Pearson, did we not finish in the sme position we currently occupy with a squad which was stronger on paper and on experience? Jan's not the problem. Money is. Regardless of who the manager (or head coach) is, it is their job to get the very best out of the players that are available. To organise them into a unit, to make every player absolutely sure of their jobs before they go out on the pitch, to make sure they're focused, to motivate them, to give them a kick up the ars* when it is needed or to encourage and put their arm around them when that is needed. It is their job to have the tactics to make the most of the teams strengths and focus on the oppositions weaknesses and if it is not working then he is obliged to change it. Jan is not that man!! He has one tactic that 9 times out of 10 does not work and he is either unwilling or incapable of changing things and week after week his substitutions if anything, are detrimental to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mprobert Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 If people seriosuly believe that then they know little about football Your'e in the wrong place for those sort of people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Ince is ****ing rubbish. Any **** who has "the guvnor" stitched onto his boots yet still retains his bottler attitude is not the type we want here. If you want a true fighter, go for Billy Davies, not Ince who comes across as he always has done - thick, out of his depth and disruptive. I'd absolutely ****ing hate to have him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 15 December, 2008 Share Posted 15 December, 2008 Oh, he's full of **** too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 (edited) no thanks,overated pretend hardman who stepped up too soon,he should have kicked around in the lower leagues for a few more years but decided he was ready for the bigtime when he clearly wasnt. blackburn have obviously played their part in his failure by employing him in the first place.....a case of the name being bigger than the managerial reputation. im glad we never employed him as i dont think he would have been any better than what we have already got and he would have cost 3 times more than what we have already got. the problem with saints fans is they are so desperate to cling to a 'big name' manager that they get blinded by the name. Edited 16 December, 2008 by lordswoodsaints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 So Jan is the best we could do in the current circumstances is he? LOL. If people seriosuly believe that then they know little about football. Jan is out of his depth, and we could do better with a manager that understands the Football League. Ince, though is definitely not the answer, though he would probably do better than Jan. Having inexperienced players is all very well if you have someone good who can work with them to get the best out of them, Jan is not that person. So Pearson was the best we could do? Or Burley? Or Gorman and Dodd? Or even WGS? A choice is made to go with who ever based on where the board want the club to go and who they think will take the club in that direction. The board wanted the club to play fast attacking football and had to rely on a large number of the kids with most of the experienced high earners being offloaded. They looked about and found a man that is used to working in this kind of climate and went for him. It might be an oversight that he doesnt have experience in the english leagues and one which the board will regret should we get relegated but I dont think they will change direction while we still have a reasonable chance of staying up. At the moment though JP is ticking all the boxes needed as far as the board are concerned as he is playing the kids, the system is fast and set up to attack and when it works it looks great and we are not in the bottom 3. It could still go either way, the team could fold and get pasted every week with no hopes of come backs or the penny drops and we start converting enough of our chances to rack some points up to see us safe. We can all find better alternatives every day of the season. But the fact is we have what we have and thats it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Why foist your imbecile opinions on everyone else? If you think Ince is good, sod off and live in Blackburn and fall down one of all those Beatle holes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Yes, get him in now! But if we don't beat Nottingham Forest I want him sacked by Monday with Roy Keane coming in on Tuesday. If Keane doesn't take our squad of inexperienced reserve players back to our rightful level of top half of the Premier league by March I want him hung, drawn and quartered and replaced by whoever else gives Delldays a boner. Repeat ad nauseum until nobody gives a **** any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Well he is free now as he just got sacked. Think he would do better then Jan, but then i think i could really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Isn't Rupert meant to be keen on giving chances to young English managers ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Seeing as Leicester are in a league below us with more money and a CCC squad you mean? While we are in the same position that Pearson left us in with less money and a team made up of a handfull of CCC players and the rest from the acadamy and reserves. Whats your point got to do with Ince or JP though? Exactly. I think we should all try and relate Lowe and how mean he is to all points, however unrelated. It'll be a challenge, but there are a lot of people who I think could step up to the plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Yes, get him in now! But if we don't beat Nottingham Forest I want him sacked by Monday with Roy Keane coming in on Tuesday. If Keane doesn't take our squad of inexperienced reserve players back to our rightful level of top half of the Premier league by March I want him hung, drawn and quartered and replaced by whoever else gives Delldays a boner. Repeat ad nauseum until nobody gives a **** any more. Very droll/funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 16 December, 2008 Share Posted 16 December, 2008 Chairmen appoint Ince, sell best 2 players, don't give Ince funds to spend, team make poor start so chairmen sack manager but keep their jobs :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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