Baird of the land Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Most Gooners i talk to would disagree with you on Gnabry Well i've seen nothing promising in his first team outings thus far. If we are now resigned to polishing other people's academies very rough diamonds that's a very low point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 "The Saints are looking to continue their policy of buying British..." ?? That policy failed once we sold all the good ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 "The Saints are looking to continue their policy of buying British..." ?? A good strategy. They have higher resale value when we sell them next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Still pretty deflating that there simply aren't any incoming rumours. Nothing. Zilch. We're either keeping it pretty quiet, or we simply don't have a clue. I'm edging towards 1 of those options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/11365053.Saints_sign_teenage_Torquay_keeper/?ref=arc Is this what they mean by buying English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Still pretty deflating that there simply aren't any incoming rumours. Nothing. Zilch. We're either keeping it pretty quiet, or we simply don't have a clue. I'm edging towards 1 of those options. Edging towards? The majority of actions this summer have proven that we have no clue. The board needs sacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Tweeted by Michael Owen...."On a serious note, Southampton have received top dollar and should be applauded. Time to invest wisely and continue to trust their academy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Tweeted by Michael Owen...."On a serious note, Southampton have received top dollar and should be applauded. Time to invest wisely and continue to trust their academy" Michael Owen is an ignoramus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Tweeted by Michael Owen...."On a serious note, Southampton have received top dollar and should be applauded. Time to invest wisely and continue to trust their academy" On the flip-side... Jeremy Wilson @JWTelegraph Liebherr loans to equity: £33m. Training ground loan: £30m. Money owed on players: £22m. Someone clearly wants their £ back at #saintsfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Edging towards? The majority of actions this summer have proven that we have no clue. The board needs sacking. throw in the derisory bids we have made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 throw in the derisory bids we have made last week we were 'considering to bid for Vlaar' and it a rumour we were after Forster according to Koeman.(probably games by him) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 On the flip-side... Jeremy Wilson @JWTelegraph Liebherr loans to equity: £33m. Training ground loan: £30m. Money owed on players: £22m. Someone clearly wants their £ back at #saintsfc Which is clearly stirring when we all know how much we got in in tv money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 On the flip-side... Jeremy Wilson @JWTelegraph Liebherr loans to equity: £33m. Training ground loan: £30m. Money owed on players: £22m. Someone clearly wants their £ back at #saintsfc Pretty unsound thesis. Loans to equity means that the money is in equity or shares. There are two ways of getting that back, sell the club (not the players) or award a very special dividend, the second of which is highly unlikely. Again, the money for players sales stays in the legal entity, and does not go into the owners pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Tweeted by Michael Owen...."On a serious note, Southampton have received top dollar and should be applauded. Time to invest wisely and continue to trust their academy" What utter clap, Other sides obviously applaud us for us finding and nurturing their best talent. As for saints, it might make the owners bank balance bulge but as a team we gain sweet f a. Back to square one every couple of years and owned by someone of whom we are not sure really wants to own us, sells half the bloody side despite what mouthpiece Reed in instructed to tell us and then goes totally quiet whilst more players are sold. The only thing we should applaud is Owen's arse which he manages to speak out of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Pretty unsound thesis. Loans to equity means that the money is in equity or shares. There are two ways of getting that back, sell the club (not the players) or award a very special dividend, the second of which is highly unlikely. Again, the money for players sales stays in the legal entity, and does not go into the owners pocket. Of course it does, if the owner loans the club money and then the club by bias of player sales is in a position to pay back those loans then it will probably happen unless said owner wishes to continue investing for the future. Liebherr wanting her money back is possible so it will probably happen. As for the equity of a mere 33 million £ well that will be recovered and plenty more by selling a debt free entity with state of the art facilities. As I've always said the liabillities exceeded the value of the club and we are seeing the solution to this problem. Look up Hofstetter....it's what he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 When will Michael Owen say anything of interest? I can hear him tweeting that with his monotone typing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 I have thought all along Fat Kat wants to cash in the loans-to-equity at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Coat Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 I have thought all along Fat Kat wants to cash in the loans-to-equity at least. She's not fat, she's just chunky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 I have thought all along Fat Kat wants to cash in the loans-to-equity at least. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Coat Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Anyway I think she's only hanging around to bag one of the footballers. Now she has realised she has no hope, she's cashing in. We need Jack Cork to do the business, promise her the world for a new contract and get her to spend some dough. Then dump her on the 1st September once Messi and Ronaldo are on the bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 I have thought all along Fat Kat wants to cash in the loans-to-equity at least. The language of the school playground - have you ever wondered why you are so derided? And of course you are the perfect physical specimen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 As much as we are all ****ed off right now, throwing personal insults in the direction of Markus's Daughter isn't exactly in good taste, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 As much as we are all ****ed off right now, throwing personal insults in the direction of Markus's Daughter isn't exactly in good taste, is it? this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 As much as we are all ****ed off right now, throwing personal insults in the direction of Markus's Daughter isn't exactly in good taste, is it? He wants a reaction and attention. Unfortunately, people give him it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Pathetic. Is that our new training ground? Its ok to call Sam Allardyce "Fat Sam" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 I have thought all along Fat Kat wants to cash in the loans-to-equity at least. As much as we are all ****ed off right now, throwing personal insults in the direction of Markus's Daughter isn't exactly in good taste, is it? Pathetic, particularly from someone who complains about name calling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Reedy said to remain patient and resilient. Usually a sure fire sign that nothing is imminent in a transfer window. Even Nathan Tyson turned us down to join Doncaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Is that our new training ground? Its alpine_saint's mountain retreat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jalabad Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 She's not fat, she's just chunky Not ITK; although £33m of loans from the shareholder (KL) were converted to equity (as shown in the 2012/2013 accounts).In July 2013 the club converted £25m of the equity into share premium, This was strange at the time, but it does mean that it's easier for KL to take this amount out of the club if she wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Is that our new training ground? Its ok to call Sam Allardyce "Fat Sam" Couldn't give a **** what people call Sam Allardyce he isn't our owner and daughter of the club's saviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Ridiculous! Michael Owen blasts Arsenal, Man United and Liverpool's Southampton raids MICHAEL OWEN has dubbed the big Southampton exodus as "ridiculous". By Jack Wilson/Published 29th July 2014 Starsport reported this morning how Tottenham boss Mauricio Pochettino is ready to make a £50m raid on his old club for Morgan Schneiderlin and Jay Rodriguez. If the duo leave, it could take the number of Saints stars walking out of St Mary's to a staggering seven. Calum Chambers yesterday sealed a move to Arsenal while Dejan Lovren signed for Liverpool over the weekend. He joins Adam Lallana and Rickie Lambert at Anfield while Luke Shaw swapped the Saints for Manchester United. Owen tweeted: "I thought if Southampton lost 1 player they would lose 3 or 4. This, however, is getting ridiculous! Have they got any players left?!!! "On a serious note, Southampton have received top dollar and should be applauded. Time to invest wisely and continue to trust their academy." Dani Osvaldo, Jose Fonte and Jack Cork are all wanted by other clubs too but executive director Les Reed has urged fans not to panic. Reed said: "It is important in the transfer window to remain calm, resilient and above all patient. We have targets and we are working hard to get them." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Reed said: "It is important in the transfer window to remain calm, resilient and above all patient." I think Reed needs to practice what he preaches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 QPR going for Fer. We have ****ed up this window in a way people didnt even think was possible. Absolutely ludicrous. I posted yesterday that Redknapp said at their Press Conference that QPR aren't interested in Fer. Wish you had heard Mark Scott on Talksport late last night answer all the questions of what is going on. She confirmed that legally can take everything, hook, line and sinker but certainly she won't and will ensure we don't get relegated as that would really be the end of her father's investment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Not ITK; although £33m of loans from the shareholder (KL) were converted to equity (as shown in the 2012/2013 accounts).In July 2013 the club converted £25m of the equity into share premium, This was strange at the time, but it does mean that it's easier for KL to take this amount out of the club if she wants. thanks. I knew there was some sort of manoeuvre in the last known accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didcot Saint Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 How about the ***** Reed showing a bit more resilience in not selling any more players and KL giving people who have spent nigh on £800 of their hard earned money on a ST some sort of explaination about WTF is going on. F...wits the both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 If we sign 2 arsenal players on loan I think we know the future policy. That'd be a thoroughly depressing move. This club should be about giving our own youngsters a chance not arsenals. All that would do is insure we don't make any more on player development next time! And from the fans point of view, bringing in £150 million then signing some loans won't to down well. Would be more depressing than the Chambers move. Reed was adamant that we don't even loan youngsters out -training others would take things to a whole new level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Of course it does, if the owner loans the club money and then the club by bias of player sales is in a position to pay back those loans then it will probably happen unless said owner wishes to continue investing for the future. Liebherr wanting her money back is possible so it will probably happen. As for the equity of a mere 33 million £ well that will be recovered and plenty more by selling a debt free entity with state of the art facilities. As I've always said the liabillities exceeded the value of the club and we are seeing the solution to this problem. Look up Hofstetter....it's what he does. After tax, of course. The only way that the value of the club has changed is that several assets have been converted into cash values much higher than they were listed on the company books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granadino Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 If we sign 2 arsenal players on loan I think we know the future policy. That'd be a thoroughly depressing move. This club should be about giving our own youngsters a chance not arsenals. All that would do is insure we don't make any more on player development next time! And from the fans point of view, bringing in £150 million then signing some loans won't to down well. Hoping doesn't happen purely as I think Jenkinson is terrible. It may be just me, but, does anyone else think most of our replacements will come internally? I can see us signing 2 or 3, but other than that, the way I see it, the Board have employed a manager with recent success in working on a tight budget bringing through mostly young players, and given the success of the recent sales, the Board will surely not be adverse to getting these guys in the shop window. This quote from Reed was interesting in that regard, I thought: "Our position remains unchanged in that we are determined to keep our best young players at the club, as is evidenced by the decision to award Harrison Reed a new long-term contract last week, adding to the list of committed young professionals like James Ward Prowse, Sam Gallagher, Jack Stephens, Jordan Turnbull, Matt Targett, Sam McQueen and others who have seen plenty of first-team activity recently." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 "Our position remains unchanged in that we are determined to keep our best young players at the club, as is evidenced by the decision to award Harrison Reed a new long-term contract last week, adding to the list of committed young professionals like James Ward Prowse, Sam Gallagher, Jack Stephens, Jordan Turnbull, Matt Targett, Sam McQueen and others who have seen plenty of first-team activity recently." The current reality is that only one of them is good enough for the first team right now, and if it's to be believed, he's the one we're about to flog to city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 The current reality is that only one of them is good enough for the first team right now, and if it's to be believed, he's the one we're about to flog to city. I would no longer believe anything Reed says anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 The current reality is that only one of them is good enough for the first team right now, and if it's to be believed, he's the one we're about to flog to city. throwing them into the prem in one go will mean certain relegation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Rumours that it's £50m for Schneiderlin and Rodriguez. Bloody hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 I would no longer believe anything Reed says anyway. Nope, ditto. Shame that this transfer thread still has absolutely no concrete incomings. And you cannot keep PL signings quiet, so you'd expect a bit of media exposure a week or so before anyone signs. Makes me feel we're not even an inch close to anyone, probably on our 10/11th targets. Hopefully they prove me wrong and bring in 3, 1 tomorrow, thursday and Friday...but not counting on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 throwing them into the prem in one go will mean certain relegation Oh without a doubt, we'll be putting Derby's record to the test. A season that could ruin this club for a good 5/6 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Rumours that it's £50m for Schneiderlin and Rodriguez. Bloody hell. Seems about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Rumours that it's £50m for Schneiderlin and Rodriguez. Bloody hell. whats the point. the money means little now will just all but confirm our relegation amazing how it can be ripped apart in 2 or 3 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Would that be a world record for money generated in one window? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 Rumours that it's £50m for Schneiderlin and Rodriguez. Bloody hell. From anywhere concrete? Or just the Daily Star guessing? amazing how it can be ripped apart in 2 or 3 weeks Yeah, it's quite astonishing really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 I really dont think we are close to any signing. Like S-Clarke says if a deal was close media will have got wind of it. In this day and age impossible to keep deal out of the media. I seem to recall Steve De Ridder was the last out of the blue signing. Before anyone pipes up about Lovren, French media reported it before club announced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 29 July, 2014 Share Posted 29 July, 2014 De Vrij signing for Lazio I believe for 7 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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