Killers Knee Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/493798/Southampton-s-Jack-Cork-linked-with-West-Brom Frying pan into the fire springs to mind, but if he gets offered a 5 year deal it's security for his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 I hate the fact that a terrific player such as Jack, is only linked to utter trash like WBA. He's better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 All the time he hasnt got a good contract offer he will be linked away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Should we really be selling top players like Cork to our relegation rivals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Should we really be selling top players like Cork to our relegation rivals? This would have horrible comparisons to the Fitz Hall deal. But he's simply not going to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 I wonder if Ronald knows of any Dutch boys with a spare finger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 I'd be absolutely infuriated if we lost Cork. Such a great little player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 I think thus is totally bollixs I will be royally ****ed off if jack cork leaves But I think it's is just a red hp herring and the press just like to wind us fans up, And they are succeeding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Can we please give Cork and Fonte contracts now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 These links aren't going away are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 I hate the fact that a terrific player such as Jack, is only linked to utter trash like WBA. He's better than that. Maybe, just maybe, he isn't. MP didn't rate him and it also looks like Koeman doesn't. Maybe we're the ones that are wrong on this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckenham Saint Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Was reading the West Brom forum a few weeks back and a poster suggested he'd like them to move for Cork before being shot down by the other posters who told him they need to aim higher than Cork and that he'd probably just be good cover for Yacob. Prats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Was reading the West Brom forum a few weeks back and a poster suggested he'd like them to move for Cork before being shot down by the other posters who told him they need to aim higher than Cork and that he'd probably just be good cover for Yacob. Prats. Yacob is a better player than Cork though. As is Mulumbu. In actual fact I don't think they need him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Yacob is a better player than Cork though. As is Mulumbu. In actual fact I don't think they need him. I like Mulumbu, MOTM at their place on the opening game of the season, but Yacob wasn't better than Cork last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Time to cash in on Jack Cork? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Time to cash in on Jack Cork? Glasgow - you'd be absolutely devastated about this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 For whatever reason Cork must not look great in Pre season, but every time we get into real games he looks absolute quality and holds the position. Maybe he is just a player who performs in the moment and needs competitive games? Clutching at straws I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Glasgow - you'd be absolutely devastated about this one. Glasgow_saint still posts - just under the name of Mr X so im told Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 (edited) For whatever reason Cork must not look great in Pre season, but every time we get into real games he looks absolute quality and holds the position. Maybe he is just a player who performs in the moment and needs competitive games? Clutching at straws I guess. I would imagine that RoKo has watched a number of our games from last season and wont solely rely on pre-season games. If he couldnt see Jacks undoubted quality in our games last season then id be worried. wasnt Jack MOTM for us in 5 consecutive games last season? Edited 31 July, 2014 by Heisenberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Maybe, just maybe, he isn't. MP didn't rate him and it also looks like Koeman doesn't. Maybe we're the ones that are wrong on this one? Of course he's a terrific player, who have you been watching? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Abroad Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Maybe, just maybe, he isn't. MP didn't rate him and it also looks like Koeman doesn't. Maybe we're the ones that are wrong on this one? I'm not the world's biggest Cork fan and I feel like the sentiment around him is because he's a nice guy. I don't hate him but I feel like the urge to keep him is similar to hoping the hometown boy goes off and does well, he'll be loved regardless. I have yet to see him pass forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 That sounds like a "leak interest from another club to get a contract offer on the table sharpish" story to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Heisenberg So you have at least 4 alias's ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Heisenberg So you have at least 4 alias's ? yes and no. 3 active accounts as Glasgow was banned. Mr X, stevegrant and Heisenberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Abroad Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 yes and no. 3 active accounts as Glasgow was banned. Mr X, stevegrant and Heisenberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Still think he is as good as, or maybe better than, Wanyama. It would be shockingly bad management to lose him for peanuts just because we haven't sorted out a reasonable contract for him...... especially if we then have to pay through the nose to replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 I'm not the world's biggest Cork fan and I feel like the sentiment around him is because he's a nice guy. I don't hate him but I feel like the urge to keep him is similar to hoping the hometown boy goes off and does well, he'll be loved regardless. I have yet to see him pass forward. You missed that one pass against Hull away then? Cant blaim you, not that it found it´s target (it hit the cross bar) but at least it was forward... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 I'm not the world's biggest Cork fan and I feel like the sentiment around him is because he's a nice guy. I don't hate him but I feel like the urge to keep him is similar to hoping the hometown boy goes off and does well, he'll be loved regardless. I have yet to see him pass forward. I have no idea if he's a nice guy or not, but what I see on the pitch is someone that gives absolutely everything and that degree of effort and robustness complimented our skill players brilliantly last season. There will be other more talented players out there, but you need workers too. Any player that is willing to tackle with his head if called for (as he did last season) gets my vote. Now whether his contract demands are realistic are another matter. I suspect he wants a huge pay rise and that will be the stumbling block here. Koeman will want time to see if he is actually worth the 40,50,60 or whatever thousand pound a week he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Of course he's a terrific player, who have you been watching? I think he's fine, a good squad player for us, nothing more. But whatever you say, managers don't seem to rate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 I think he's fine, a good squad player for us, nothing more. But whatever you say, managers don't seem to rate him. sort of player that might look crap at 5 a sides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 I would imagine that RoKo has watched a number of our games from last season and wont solely rely on pre-season games. If he couldnt see Jacks undoubted quality in our games last season then id be worried. wasnt Jack MOTM for us in 5 consecutive games last season? You really think Koeman has any say in who goes ?? You really think that ?? Cork is more money for Kat's Koffers, but, of course you can't see that ? Kreuger only went out on a limb about Schneiderlin and J Rod What a way to run an army More insults please, I don't give a monkey's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett24 Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 If he is ill tonight then you know what's going on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 You really think Koeman has any say in who goes ?? You really think that ?? Cork is more money for Kat's Koffers, but, of course you can't see that ? Kreuger only went out on a limb about Schneiderlin and J Rod What a way to run an army More insults please, I don't give a monkey's I think you're just massively mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 You really think Koeman has any say in who goes ?? You really think that ?? Cork is more money for Kat's Koffers, but, of course you can't see that ? Kreuger only went out on a limb about Schneiderlin and J Rod What a way to run an army More insults please, I don't give a monkey's Please tell us about these koffers. How have they been doing over the last few years, up or down? Even then, it's none of our business, quite literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Why would a class player like Jack Cork want to go to a club like West Brom with an inexperienced manager when he can play for a top club with a top and experienced manager like Koeman. Besides we've just brought his best mate to the club for the season. Why do our posters never use logic and see it's a rehash from last season when Ryan Bertrand was playing for Villa and the media speculated Jack was wanting a move there to be near his good mate. Saints will be giving him a new contract. Ronald said he would take 3 weeks to have a look at everyone and then see to the contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Should we really be selling top players like Cork to our relegation rivals? Why not? He's just an ex Chelsea reject loanee..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Don't know why this has been allowed to become an issue. Fair enough the recruitment department are under massive pressure to get signings over the line at the moment, but what were they so wrapped up in between January and May that they couldn't offer Cork or Fonte a new deal? Krueger acknowledged the situation in interviews with Blackmore but we've still seen no progress, and with Alan Cork giving not-so-subtle hints about it on twitter we can assume that no new deal has been offered yet. Perhaps he is just not that highly rated from within the club. Utter madness if that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Don't know why this has been allowed to become an issue. Fair enough the recruitment department are under massive pressure to get signings over the line at the moment, but what were they so wrapped up in between January and May that they couldn't offer Cork or Fonte a new deal? Krueger acknowledged the situation in interviews with Blackmore but we've still seen no progress, and with Alan Cork giving not-so-subtle hints about it on twitter we can assume that no new deal has been offered yet. Perhaps he is just not that highly rated from within the club. Utter madness if that is the case. There may be significant tax reasons for delaying the new contracts, something to do with revaluing the assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 A good honest steady player but no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Don't know why this has been allowed to become an issue. Fair enough the recruitment department are under massive pressure to get signings over the line at the moment, but what were they so wrapped up in between January and May that they couldn't offer Cork or Fonte a new deal? Krueger acknowledged the situation in interviews with Blackmore but we've still seen no progress, and with Alan Cork giving not-so-subtle hints about it on twitter we can assume that no new deal has been offered yet. Perhaps he is just not that highly rated from within the club. Utter madness if that is the case. My assessment is that Pochettino never rated him particularly highly (hence rushing Wanyama back to play at Fulham when he clearly wasn't fit and Cork was arguably our best player at the time), and as contract extensions for the first team squad would largely be up to the manager to decide whether to offer or not, MP opted for the latter. Now he's gone, it's now down to Koeman to decide, and naturally he wants to get a proper look at everyone before making that sort of decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 (edited) More insults please I've had many cases of love that were just infatuation, but this hate I feel for you is the real thing. You're the best at all you do - and all you do is make people hate you. Don't you realize that there are enough people to hate in the world already without your working so hard to give us another? The thing that terrifies me the most is that someone might hate me as much as I loathe you. When you get run over by a car it shouldn't be listed under accidents. All of your ancestors must number in the millions; its hard to believe that many people are to blame for producing you. Ever since I saw you in your family tree I've wanted to cut it down. I hear that when you were a child your mother wanted to hire someone to take care of you but the Mafia wanted too much. I hear that when your mother first saw you she decided to leave you on the front steps of a police station while she turned herself in. You were the answer to a prayer. Your parents prayed that the world would be made to suffer and here you came along. I hear the only place you're ever invited is outside. I would like the pleasure of your company but it only gives me displeasure. You have nothing to fear from my baser instincts; its my finer ones that tell me to kill you. It's your life --- but I wish you'd let us have it. I don't consider you a vulture. I consider you something a vulture would eat. I think you should live for the moment. But after that I doubt I'll think so. Man alive! But I wish you weren't. I believe in respect for the dead; in fact I could only respect you if you WERE dead. I admire your because I've never had the courage it takes to be a liar, a thief and a cheat. You're acquitting yourself in such a way that no jury ever would. You have a face only a mother could love - and she hates it! You're so stupid, that you got fired from the M & M factory for throwing away all the W's. You're so stupid, it takes you an hour to cook minute rice. You're so ugly when you walk into a bank, they turn the cameras off! You're so ugly, if you stuck your head out the window, they'd arrest you for mooning! You're so ugly if you joined an ugly contest, they'd say "Sorry, no professionals!" You're so ugly your face is closed on weekends! You're so ugly when you were born the doctor slapped your mother! You're so ugly when you were born, your mother saw the afterbirth and said "Twins!" You're so ugly they know what time you were born, because your face stopped the clock! You're so ugly, your mother had to feed you with a sling shot. You're so ugly, your mother had to tie a steak around your neck to get the dog to play with you. You're so fat when you sit around the house, you sit AROUND the HOUSE You're so fat a picture of you would fall off the wall! You're so fat if you weighed five more pounds, you could get group insurance! You're so fat you get clothes in three sizes: extra large, jumbo, and oh-my-god-it's-coming-towards-us! You're so fat if you got your shoes shined, you'd have to take his word for it! You're so fat that you have to strap a beeper on your belt to warn people you are backing up. I'm looking forward to the pleasure of your company since I haven't had it yet. When you pass away and people ask me what the cause of your death was, I'll say your stupidity. Well I'll see you in my dreams - if I eat too much. Edited 31 July, 2014 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Saintrichmond Your negative attitude is self-defeating. Your agenda might be to cripple and corrode the spirit and positivity of us happy clappers You want . Why don't you stop moaning and start to appreciate what we have as a club I have seen more fizz and positive in a flat bottle of champagne than I read in your posts Maybe positive thinking doesn't work for you however You are one very toxic forum poster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 My assessment is that Pochettino never rated him particularly highly (hence rushing Wanyama back to play at Fulham when he clearly wasn't fit and Cork was arguably our best player at the time), and as contract extensions for the first team squad would largely be up to the manager to decide whether to offer or not, MP opted for the latter. Now he's gone, it's now down to Koeman to decide, and naturally he wants to get a proper look at everyone before making that sort of decision. Doesn't explain Fonte's contractual situation. A player who was rated in a position where we're pretty threadbare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Would be utter madness to lose Cork. Really would be the last straw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cestrian Saint Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Stop ****ing around and sign Cork up on a long term deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 My assessment is that Pochettino never rated him particularly highly (hence rushing Wanyama back to play at Fulham when he clearly wasn't fit and Cork was arguably our best player at the time), and as contract extensions for the first team squad would largely be up to the manager to decide whether to offer or not, MP opted for the latter. Now he's gone, it's now down to Koeman to decide, and naturally he wants to get a proper look at everyone before making that sort of decision. I guess it is a little unclear how Les Reed, the management team, and the recruitment department work together to make those kinds of decisions on contract renewals. Reed has repeatedly talked about player contracts being his domain (suggesting some level of autonomy) so would Poch's view on Cork or Fonte have necessarily been the most significant? I did sense that Poch wasn't Cork's biggest fan (and vice versa), but you'd think Reed and his team would already have formed a strong opinion on his worth to the club and made preliminary efforts to start contract negotiations (which seems to be the case with Fonte but not Cork), as well as strong recommendations to Koeman that we should keep him on. Hopefully it will all be sorted soon, but does seem to be dragging on far too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 "Managers don't rate him" "He plays because he's a nice guy" Schoooooool's out for the suummer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 I think you're just massively mistaken. He's just a sh11t version of Alpine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 Doesn't explain Fonte's contractual situation. A player who was rated in a position where we're pretty threadbare. I thought a contract was already on the table for Fonte? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 July, 2014 Share Posted 31 July, 2014 My assessment is that Pochettino never rated him particularly highly (hence rushing Wanyama back to play at Fulham when he clearly wasn't fit and Cork was arguably our best player at the time), and as contract extensions for the first team squad would largely be up to the manager to decide whether to offer or not, MP opted for the latter. Now he's gone, it's now down to Koeman to decide, and naturally he wants to get a proper look at everyone before making that sort of decision. What's Jack's dad saying on the subject these days. Did he not think Koeman was taking overlong to assess his son whilst the injured JRod had been offered a new 5 year contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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