James Ward-Prowse

[Matthew Le God]

Do I get a MLG point?

 

[ozzmeister]

So what type of midfielder do people see him as? Myself I would play him just ahead of two defensive midfielders (Morgan and VW) pinging passes to two wingers (tadic + 1 (gaston)), however that's also the role I'd see gaston playing as well - basically central playmaker.

[Toon Saint]

Ah well Bearsy the answer is a resounding YES. If you are English or even if you are not, you must catch up with your history - old bean! Liverpool was once regarded as the richest city in the world, most certainly it was one of them. One of the reasons for these 'riches' was the Slave Trade. The writer of Amazing Grace [in essence an anti-slave trade song] was composed by a Liverpool sea captain and Slave Trader John Newton. If one wished to be facetious one might say it looks like Liverpool are indulging in a new slave trade albeit something of an inverse nature of course in regard to the old one!

 

Also you must catch up with the Industrial Revolution the rapid expansion of nearly all the major Northern cities [and not so major] came about because of this phenomena and people migrated from everywhere [off the land mainly] to live [exist] and work in the likes of Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle, Sunderland, Blackburn, Rochdale, Bolton, Leeds etc. etc. we were the "work-house of the World" as declared by William Gladstone a Scouse Prime Minister. That's one of the reasons there were [and are] so many Ethnics, Irish, Scottish and Welsh in Liverpool and why it is home to the oldest Chinese "community" in Europe.

 

Ah yes, studied History at Uni of Liverpool and did a second-year module in this. 'The Liverpool gentleman and the Manchester man' was the old saying, was it not? Seem to remember that the Cheshire salt and coal trade and the opening of the Sankey Canal also played a big part in Liverpool's rapid rise, as it was only a small time port before then (Liver pool literally means pool with muddy water). Led to believe that the infrastructure already in place (established through the salt/coal trades) was very important for you becoming the major player in the atlantic slave trade. At least that's what I wrote down all those years ago anyway.

[View From The Top]

At St Georges Park he is rated more highly than Shaw & Chambers. Widely thought of as the next "Scholes".

[Torrent Of Abuse]

I'm wary of talking up the loyalty of players after this summer. Morgan and Chambers were particularly hard pills to swallow - even more so after Adam "I can't see myself playing for another club" allan a - but I'm impressed at the application of certain players this pre-season. Fonte and JWP in particular.

 

If someone had said to me that we'd lose masses of players including one starlet from the very heart of the academy, I'd have said JWP to go before Chambers because of his P*mpey supporting background. Just goes to prove you can't tell can you? I wonder how many P*mpey season ticket holders went on to become captains of the Saints? If it happened, do you think he'd be one of a select few?

[shurlock]

I'm wary of talking up the loyalty of players after this summer. Morgan and Chambers were particularly hard pills to swallow - even more so after Adam "I can't see myself playing for another club" allan a - but I'm impressed at the application of certain players this pre-season. Fonte and JWP in particular.

 

If someone had said to me that we'd lose masses of players including one starlet from the very heart of the academy, I'd have said JWP to go before Chambers because of his P*mpey supporting background. Just goes to prove you can't tell can you? I wonder how many P*mpey season ticket holders went on to become captains of the Saints? If it happened, do you think he'd be one of a select few?

 

More likely that a concrete bid hasn't come in for JWP - and I can see why at this moment in time.

[JoeShmoe]

This was in a previous thread but he does need to bulk up a bit and get more aggressive if he is going to play CM, remember a few games away last season (Spurs and Chelsea) where he played CM and we got overrun. Big Vic he aint but no reason he cant get the physical attributes of Cork, MS, Davis etc

[Grey Crab]

Ward-Prowse's head is already at Liverpool.

[ENSKIED]

Ah yes, studied History at Uni of Liverpool and did a second-year module in this. 'The Liverpool gentleman and the Manchester man' was the old saying, was it not? Seem to remember that the Cheshire salt and coal trade and the opening of the Sankey Canal also played a big part in Liverpool's rapid rise, as it was only a small time port before then (Liver pool literally means pool with muddy water). Led to believe that the infrastructure already in place (established through the salt/coal trades) was very important for you becoming the major player in the atlantic slave trade. At least that's what I wrote down all those years ago anyway.

 

Hi Toon Saint, did you enjoy your sojourn in the 'Pool? I hope you did! So well done . . . . . .Your education pays off! Yes Liverpool came into existence to "basically move things around: cotton, sugar, slaves" and, later, paperwork when all the big insurance companies moved to the Pool. Thence to the "Liverpool Gentleman and the Manchester Man" - the Manchester authorizes built the Manchester ship canal to avoid paying any local Liverpool taxes . . . . . . so this was a sort of a put down.

 

Manchester was "an industrial city, its workforce stable, drawn from the Lancashire agricultural lands,claimed to be dedicated to progressive causes such as the industrial revolution and the campaigns that grew out of it for trade unions and socialism". The Manchester mill-owner came clad in overalls with dirty finger nails so it was said. The Liverpool Gentleman engaged in commerce sat in a nice office sporting the famous stiff white collar - my grandfather always used them. Meantime the dock labourers, crowded into Scotland Road, forming or helping to form the largest and densest SLUM area in all of Europe." Famine-Irish populated, slums subject to arbitrary labour practices" which to quote " had more to do with the SLAVE auction than industrial relations". The Liverpool Gents voted in the main Liberal and the Dock Labourer rand many others up to the 1950s still interpreted politics as something of an extension of the Fenian and Orange struggles over in Ireland.

[70's Mike]

as long as Victor is alongside him he will be ok

on his own will get out muscled by best players

[davefizzy14]

This lad is awesome, has got everything in his locker. On top of that has got a fantastic set-piece delivery. From what I have heard JWP's goal last night was a belter!

[Wes Tender]

Met him at the PFA awards this year. By miles the most intelligent and thoughtful Saints player there .. A really humble and likeable bloke .. Is he supposed to be signing a revised contract? If so, get it done FFS!

 

Son of a barrister, so not your usual footballer's family background. Maybe that has something to do with the way that he comes across as an intelligent and thoughtful individual.

[Wes Tender]

 

And back comes the rather stark message "Yes JWP and how much more you can enjoy one's untold riches in the core of disparity and desperation. What is a Ferrari if every pleb owns one? And indeed what power can wealth truly provide if there is no real poverty and everyone is wealthy? The disparity functions as a constant reminder of how lucky we are and really enhances that sense of well-being provided by the wealth quotient. The plebs will continue to emerge from their slums and cheer us on and make us richer, meantime you watch us enjoy . . . . .see you soon, Liverpool map enclosed!

 

I'm afraid that you won't find the likes of Lallana capable of such an erudite and philosophical riposte. I expect that J W-P's attitude will be more along the lines that what's the point of having several flashy cars when you can only drive one at a time?

 

Lallana can watch J W-P's progress playing football for what is almost his local team, whilst he watches from the bench, (once he's got over his injury that is).

[JoeShmoe]

Hi Toon Saint, did you enjoy your sojourn in the 'Pool? I hope you did! So well done . . . . . .Your education pays off! Yes Liverpool came into existence to "basically move things around: cotton, sugar, slaves" and, later, paperwork when all the big insurance companies moved to the Pool. Thence to the "Liverpool Gentleman and the Manchester Man" - the Manchester authorizes built the Manchester ship canal to avoid paying any local Liverpool taxes . . . . . . so this was a sort of a put down.

 

Manchester was "an industrial city, its workforce stable, drawn from the Lancashire agricultural lands,claimed to be dedicated to progressive causes such as the industrial revolution and the campaigns that grew out of it for trade unions and socialism". The Manchester mill-owner came clad in overalls with dirty finger nails so it was said. The Liverpool Gentleman engaged in commerce sat in a nice office sporting the famous stiff white collar - my grandfather always used them. Meantime the dock labourers, crowded into Scotland Road, forming or helping to form the largest and densest SLUM area in all of Europe." Famine-Irish populated, slums subject to arbitrary labour practices" which to quote " had more to do with the SLAVE auction than industrial relations". The Liverpool Gents voted in the main Liberal and the Dock Labourer rand many others up to the 1950s still interpreted politics as something of an extension of the Fenian and Orange struggles over in Ireland.

 

Question for you. Genuine. Why isnt the Liverpool academy producing kids ready to step into the first team. Save Flannagan and maybe Kelly (neither of whom will play much this year) where are the next Gerrards and Carraghers? Everton seem to be able to find them? Do you have no young players knocking on the door or just signings, foreigners etc? Dont get me wrong i admire Liverpool for at least trying to field English players but youre academy isnt actually a roaring success is it (or is it?)

[Batman]

Question for you. Genuine. Why isnt the Liverpool academy producing kids ready to step into the first team. Save Flannagan and maybe Kelly (neither of whom will play much this year) where are the next Gerrards and Carraghers? Everton seem to be able to find them? Do you have no young players knocking on the door or just signings, foreigners etc? Dont get me wrong i admire Liverpool for at least trying to field English players but youre academy isnt actually a roaring success is it (or is it?)

 

It's easy to throw academy players in when you are a midtable team

 

Not so, when you are expected to win trophies, finish top 4 and have huge budgets to achieve that

[Window Cleaner]

Question for you. Genuine. Why isnt the Liverpool academy producing kids ready to step into the first team. Save Flannagan and maybe Kelly (neither of whom will play much this year) where are the next Gerrards and Carraghers? Everton seem to be able to find them? Do you have no young players knocking on the door or just signings, foreigners etc? Dont get me wrong i admire Liverpool for at least trying to field English players but youre academy isnt actually a roaring success is it (or is it?)

 

What like Sterling you mean, no idea why he isn't in their first team, although he did come from QPR at about 15 I suppose.Flanagan also played 20 odd games last season.,

Edited 1 August, 2014 by Window Cleaner

[Toadhall Saint]

At St Georges Park he is rated more highly than Shaw & Chambers. Widely thought of as the next "Scholes".

 

Let's hope that he is a one club player. I don't know why but I get the impression he is a bit more loyal to the club than some.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Let's hope that he is a one club player. I don't know why but I get the impression he is a bit more loyal to the club than some.

 

Probably best not to kid yourself on that front. The reason he's at Saints in the first place is because he made the best decision for his career so I doubt he'd turn his back on a better opportunity out of loyalty to Saints.

[hypochondriac]

Let's hope that he is a one club player. I don't know why but I get the impression he is a bit more loyal to the club than some.

 

If this summer has taught us anything, it's that we shouldn't believe that any of the players are more loyal than any other. It's all about the money.

[View From The Top]

If this summer has taught us anything, it's that we shouldn't believe that any of the players are more loyal than any other. It's all about the money.

 

 

For JWP it's about career development and he knows, at the moment, he's better off at Saints & I know some of the coaching staff attached to St Georges Park have re-enforced that with him.

 

I'll find out tomorrow, if I can, if he has the same contract clauses Shaw & Chambers had.

[Ewell]

At St Georges Park he is rated more highly than Shaw & Chambers. Widely thought of as the next "Scholes".

 

That matches my opinion of him exactly, he just needs to add goals to his game and last night was a good start.

 

I am really hoping JWP has a big season. He is so comfortable in possession and he plays like a seasoned veteran at 19. His debut at Man City was one of the best debuts I have ever seen from a Saints player, let alone a 17 year old.

[St Chalet]

At St Georges Park he is rated more highly than Shaw & Chambers. Widely thought of as the next "Scholes".

 

Amazing to think how England wasted Scholes' talent looking back. I rate JWP, he looks effortless and is a very bright boy.

[washsaint]

What contract clauses did Shaw and Chambers have VFTP?

[suewhistle]

At a guess release clauses if a club came in for them over a certain offer..

[View From The Top]

What contract clauses did Shaw and Chambers have VFTP?

 

"Big Club" clauses apparently with a price point. I knew Shaw's was £27m last September and that Chelsea had paid for the 1st option to speak to him but I had no idea of the Chambers fee but did know that Arsenal had been after him for four years.

 

The players chat to other players, not too discreetly it would appear and thus coaches her about it. I just happen to be a cycling buddy of one of these coaches.

[Junior Mullet]

I think he's going to be a great player - one of the best ever to come through our ranks. As others have said, it takes central midfielders who are not blessed with pace a little longer to develop, like Lallana and Morgan.

 

This will be a big year for James and I think he'll get plenty of game time to show what he's capable of. Good luck to him.

 

Anyone who's ever seen or heard him interviewed will know what a smart and articulate lad he is too. I fully expect him to captain England one day.

[david in sweden]

Ward-Prowse's head is already at Liverpool.

 

.....don't mind what he thinks about ......as long as his feet and brain are at SFC.

[Turkish]

'Dorkish' called this one a couple of years ago. Some of our know it alls said I was talking bol+cks though

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?39192-James-Ward-Prowse#.U93xdX-9KSM

[Goatboy]

'Dorkish' called this one a couple of years ago. Some of our know it alls said I was talking bol+cks though

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?39192-James-Ward-Prowse#.U93xdX-9KSM

 

Not so good by the end of that thread though Turkish:

 

He did a similar couple of balls preseason again for Sharp to run onto. Looks to be able to pick a pass to a runner which bodes well for our new African star.

[musesaint]

What is his current contract? Assuming contracts are now worth the paper they are written on !

[Turkish]

Not so good by the end of that thread though Turkish:

 

He did a similar couple of balls preseason again for Sharp to run onto. Looks to be able to pick a pass to a runner which bodes well for our new African star.

 

TBF is not seen him play and was going on him being listed as the 85th best player in the world

[david in sweden]

maybe we can see another side to his game, now that he doesn't have to " compete " against Lallana for a start place.

[Pedro]

In yesterdays Mail PL preview, 3 journalists name him as one for an England breakthrough and Jamie Rednapp rates him as one to watch. Whatever your thoughts are of these people JWP is obviously highly rated by them.

[St Jim]

Given his age and how comfortable he is against top team (remembering his assured performance against City in our opening game 2 years back), as long as he continues to develop it is inevitable he'll get a call up. IMO if (and it is a big if) he continues to develop, he could be a pivotal England player (and possibly captain).

 

I think this season is a season defining one for him.

[SarniaSaint]

Given his age and how comfortable he is against top team (remembering his assured performance against City in our opening game 2 years back), as long as he continues to develop it is inevitable he'll get a call up. IMO if (and it is a big if) he continues to develop, he could be a pivotal England player (and possibly captain).

 

That's the problem even if the c**t Gerrard aint there no more

[ART]

You can be sure Roy Hodgson will be at next weeks match ready to turn the heads of our youngsters like JWP in the direction of Liverpool Football Club. I nearly threw up today seeing Hodgson skulking in the crowd at today's Charity Shield.

[niceandfriendly]

This'll be his last season as a Saint, so we best enjoy it!

[Pastor Patrón]

He's really not all that good though is he

[Faz]

He's really not all that good though is he

 

Oh he is. He will go to a top top Side in a couple of years. He's a clever boy too - I bet he's learning Spanish already.

[St Jim]

He's really not all that good though is he

 

Name me one 17 year old that can play with the composure, technique and maturity in their Premier League debut against the reigning champions, that he showed against Man City.

 

He's an amazing talent and prospect but has to continue to progress to fulfill his potential.

[Goatboy]

He's really not all that good though is he

 

[latter day saint]

He's really not all that good though is he

C- for that effort ?

[alpine_saint]

Has Brendan Rodgers started congratulating him on doing his shoes up this morning ?

[SaintSteve]

He's really not all that good though is he

 

Actually, I'm with you on this one, based on last season where he was not worth a starting place... maybe some on here have seen a difference in this season's friendlies.

[Pwoite]

I cannot see the stardom predictions other do. Certainly a great goal last night - his first for the club at senior level. Delivers a good dead ball and corner. On the flipside, does not have a lot of pace; is not a great tackler; most of his passes are sideways or backwards and seems to be easily brushed off the ball. I will be happy to be proven wrong but at the moment as he enters his third season for Saints the hype is greater than the performance.

 

 

Exactly my view, and why he slipped down behind Davis and Cork in Poch's pecking order. His good points, I fully accept, but we need the near complete package. Now, if he can score ten goals a season, unlike Jack, then that moves him back up, but being articulate won't win us games.

[StDunko]

I think he has the makings of a good player. But I don't ever feel that he imposes himself upon a game. The game appears to happen around him, rather than him taking control of the game. Hopefullly that will come as he develops and gains experience.

 

At present I just wish we could sub him on and off for set piece deliveries!

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Exactly my view, and why he slipped down behind Davis and Cork in Poch's pecking order. His good points, I fully accept, but we need the near complete package. Now, if he can score ten goals a season, unlike Jack, then that moves him back up, but being articulate won't win us games.

 

Behind Cork? How'd you work that one out?

 

JWP was a starter at the beginning of last season, Cork wasn't. JWP also featured in more league games than Cork last season too.

[shurlock]

Behind Cork? How'd you work that one out?

 

JWP was a starter at the beginning of last season, Cork wasn't. JWP also featured in more league games than Cork last season too.

 

Very easily as anyone who watched us will attest. From starting most games, JWP was gradually phased out and featured largely as a sub, not least because our bench was so threadbare. Cork ended the season starting more games (he started more games overall) and got the nod whenever there was an injury in midfield, so much so that MP preferred to play him out of position than start JWP (e.g. Everton (h) where he played further forward). Indeed, towards the end, Cork, Schneiderlin and Wanyama all started, even though it was claimed they could never play together. HTH.

Edited 11 August, 2014 by shurlock

[Saint Charlie]

JWP not, and never will be an no 10 player.

 

No point shoe horning him in just because he is the last remaining Academy player good enough to start.

 

He cant play with his back to goal, doesn't go past a man and hasnt got a goalscoring instinct.

 

Play him in his proper position, or not at all.

[Saint-Reece]

Thing is when I watch him I can't actually work out what his actual position is? he's not forward thinking enough for a no. 10 spot, and not strong enough of much of a tackler to be a Defensive Mid ala VW or MS