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Clearly he has the technique to succeed at the top level. He also had a little run of games around Christmas time last season where he was as creative as we've seen him, which to me, showed what he could do for us.

 

The main issue at the moment is that, on a consistent basis, he doesn't impact on games enough, only in flashes. This is where he needs to really focus on, and i believe he can then nail down a spot in the team, probably ahead of Davis if you expect him to play a little in advance of Clasie and Vic.

 

Would also say that if he had taken maybe half of his clear cut chances last season, and ended up with say 5 goals, we might not be having this conversation. It's small margins, but as well as being more of a creator, it goes without saying that he needs to start taking his chances in front of goal

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Too weak, too slow, too meek, too indecisive. Can be cut through like a knife through butter.

 

This really. Add the fact that he can't tackle and doesn't score enough goals for a supposed attacking midfielder. I really don't see what he brings to the side.

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He does OK in spells, obviously he does have good technical attributes otherwise we wouldn't have made it as far as he has. The most frustrating element of his game is his lack of pace, power and aggression. Off the ball, players just waltz past him and he looks a child trying in vainly to catch up with an adult.

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If we want to be a consistently top half team, competing for spots in europe, we need more than players who do "OK" and occasionally play well. I've never seen him have a huge impact on a game, I know he's young, but I really don't rate him. As above, too slow, too indecisive and doesn't do enough to justify starting, in my opinion. With tadic, juanmi, davis, long, jay rod, mane looking to play the creative roles, I don't know what he does to justify ever being picked ahead any of them...

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Last season I expected to see him start to impose himself on games' date=' he needed to add that aspect to his tidy passing and work rate. He didn't, I think if he doesn't move up a notch this year he'll be on his way, needs to add something more than just being a tidy player to his game (and not dead balls).[/quote']

 

On his way where?

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On his way where?

 

To a lower half premier team, Bournemouth, Villa, Leicester, Palace, etc his career will go the same way as Cork's. Less and less playing time and eventually deciding to move on for first team football, I am certain we will see Reed usurp JWP as the academy success story this season, and to have a far more important role in the squad.

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wow some real clueless comments here.

 

He is decent and will develop into a quality player, ridiculous over reactions and complete blindness from some people over a 20 year old.

 

There is far far more to football than pace and power, he has technique, good vision, and good range of passing, as well as a great work ethic.

 

All he needs is a bit more consistency which comes with time.

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Whether you're 20 or 18, you can see watching a decent player in the making his raw quality.

 

With Jwp, he has 0 pace, can't tackle, can't shoot. Unfortunately in a climate where any half decent Southampton player has stories linking them away trailing a blaze in the press, it is very telling that there is very very little interest of other clubs reported in him.

 

I can think of plenty dressing him up as England's future saviour but bat one tenuous city link at best, there is nothing else.

 

Unfortunately can see him falling in to a lower league player. To me, he shows no outstanding ability in any aspect of the game.

 

Just my opinion of course

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To a lower half premier team' date=' Bournemouth, Villa, Leicester, Palace, etc his career will go the same way as Cork's. Less and less playing time and eventually deciding to move on for first team football, I am certain we will see Reed usurp JWP as the academy success story this season, and to have a far more important role in the squad.[/quote']

 

Reed on the other hand looks class. Has bite, reads game well, knows when to intercept and you can see his raw quality.

 

He will only develop his obvious strengths with experience and physical development.

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Whether you're 20 or 18, you can see watching a decent player in the making his raw quality.

 

With Jwp, he has 0 pace, can't tackle, can't shoot. Unfortunately in a climate where any half decent Southampton player has stories linking them away trailing a blaze in the press, it is very telling that there is very very little interest of other clubs reported in him.

 

I can think of plenty dressing him up as England's future saviour but bat one tenuous city link at best, there is nothing else.

 

Unfortunately can see him falling in to a lower league player. To me, he shows no outstanding ability in any aspect of the game.

 

Just my opinion of course

 

You are not alone in that opinion... Believe me

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I'd bring back Ben Reeves: far better player.

 

There were a number of things I noticed about him yesterday: how the ball hit his foot in the area and luckily fell to Pelle, how his body shape was wrong and his head was down, how he let a Vitesse player get past him and as the player slowed up because he was running into other players rather than catch him up he let the player go and they had a shot, how the midfield was a gaping hole in part to due to his anonymity (though the likes of Tadic also contributed), how he was slow to get forward when Saints broke upfield, even being overtaken by Davis, etc.

 

I don't think much of Reed either, but he has shown occasional glimpses of being someone who might 'have it'. JWP on the other hand doesn't: mentally or physically or technically. I agree with those who say he has to make a mark this season or he'll just fade away. Would be nice to see a Youtube video highlighting all his brilliant touches of skill, football intelligence and goals from all his PL games. Good, because it would be short.

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He's one of the best players for England U21's so he's not a bad player. Also last year he was in and out of the side and never was given a single position to play in so it wasn't easy. Still think he can be a great player but this season is his most important to prove himself

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He's one of the best players for England U21's so he's not a bad player. Also last year he was in and out of the side and never was given a single position to play in so it wasn't easy. Still think he can be a great player but this season is his most important to prove himself

 

To be fair he did get dropped for them after the first game of the tournament because he cannot contribute to winning the ball back and they played him as a holding player.

 

He has good technique but if he doesnt improve physically and add some aggression or tenacity to his game then he could only play deep for a team that have 70% possession i.e Barcelona or Eng U21s against Moldova U21s.

 

Which is fine, play him further forward...but then he needs to start using his good technical ability to start influencing games, which in 70 odd PL apps he has struggled to do very often.

 

Cliche but definitely a big season for him and IMO the England talk doesn't do him any favours. Can become a very very good player but this is his 4th PL season, so when will it click?

 

Seems a genuinely nice person from having spoken to him a couple of times at the Awards Night so really hope he kicks on!

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A classic from the legendary SaintsWeb font of knowledge :)

 

Pay peanuts and you get monkeys!

 

If we had not signed any of them and kept Stern John or even possibly Rasiak or Sagga for the whole season then I feel we would not be in league 1 now.

 

Of all the early season young signings hardly any of them have contributed anything and we would have been better served by playing our own players be they fringe or youngsters.

 

Give me Wotton over Schneiderlin every time. It is no good if you have the ability but no heart, drive or passion for the game. These qualities go a long way in league 1 and Wotton has them all!

 

Schneiderlin worst signing since that huge disappointment Skacel. Good riddance to both I hope!

 

 

:uhoh:

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Give us a chance. I've got another 276 of these videos to post

 

Haha, I did notice a 3rd one went up shortly before that post.

 

Could do him the world of good if he manages to strike one in at some point in the next season but as of yet, I don't view him as a free kick specialist.

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Haha, I did notice a 3rd one went up shortly before that post.

 

Could do him the world of good if he manages to strike one in at some point in the next season but as of yet, I don't view him as a free kick specialist.

 

Well, you can't be if you have never scored one in adult pro football!

 

Hopefully this season will be the start!

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The question for me is not whether JWP will 'make it' because I think he will, albeit over a longer period of time than we're used to.

 

The question for me is not whether JWP is struggling right now because he is, and spells like this are perfectly normal for young players especially when they are not as physically strong as others.

 

The question for me is whether or not JWP's progress is dependent on first team football, and if it is whether or not Saints are now in a position where they can afford him to continue his development as a first team starter whilst he struggles and the team continue to perform to the level they have to (i.e. Top 8 in the Premier League and competing in three cups).

 

That is a hard question to answer.

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He already has "made it" in many ways, he is a PL footballer and probably will be he his whole career, earning vast sums of money.

 

Saints won't actively look to get rid of him anyway because they have built him up as the poster boy of the Academy and the one who stayed loyal and signed a long term contract, plus he is good enough to contribute for us.

 

If he wants regular starts, he just needs to improve. Its not like he is competing with Fabreags for a place in our team.

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He got regular starts last season, and whilst he wasn't spectacular he played his part in general play even if their wasn't a great deal of productivity. It's not like we played with ten men every time he started. Right now he is lacking a little confidence, and is struggling to assert himself on games - elements of this are physical, and elements of this will be general form. He will likely get games by virtue of the volume we'll have this season, but all things considered if he is not a starter when everyone is fit then I wonder how he will progress as I think he could.

 

In the past we could play kids and carry their development (and indifferent performances) in the first team as the expectations did not exist. They do now, perhaps more than ever in my lifetime supporting us when we've been in the top flight. The club talk openly of their ambition and that's great. But now is the acid test - will we stand by the Academy prospects during indifferent periods of form (which we always used to do) or will we swap them out quickly? I don't think we know the answer to that at the moment but I wouldn't be surprised to see JWP start on Sunday.

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He's exactly where you would expect a 20 year old central midfielder to be in his development, learning. Just the same as Bale, Schneiderlin and Lallalana

 

I think he is actually ahead of the vast majority of his peers. How many other 20 year old central midfielders can his critics name that have as much Premier League game time for a top half team? Take Nathaniel Chalobah for example, like Ward-Prowse he is 20 years old, plays for England under 21's and the only Premier League experience he has is 4 games for a lacking in quality Burnley side where he struggled to get in their team.

 

If they criticise Ward-Prowse for the level he is at... what do they think about all the other 20 year old central midfielders that haven't achieved any where near as much as he has?

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I think he is actually ahead of the vast majority of his peers. How many other 20 year old central midfielders can his critics name that have as much Premier League game time for a top half team?

 

Take Nathaniel Chalobah for example, like Ward-Prowse he 20 years old and the only Premier League experience he has is 4 games for a lacking in quality Burnley side.

 

Perhaps I should have said "where you'd expect a promising midfielder to be". That's why I bracketed him with three very good midfielders.

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Where does the myth of him being a set piece specialist come from?

 

His corners are alright but his free kicks aren't exactly amazing. Can recall him hitting the post from one last season and that is it.

 

So two goals from free kicks (none for us) and he's a free kick specialist?

 

Nah.

 

It doesn't have to be a goal to have been a well taken free kick. Even ones which miss can still show good technique.

 

It doesn't have to have been an assist for it to have been a good free kick. It doesn't even need to have a teammate get a touch for it to be good, if it is consistently hit into a dangerous area then that is what you want from a free kick taker and he does that better than a lot of players.

 

I think its pretty clear that he has very good technique for direct free kicks, free kicks which are crosses and corners. It appears the poor ones are sticking in people's mind and they ignore all the good ones he does which far outnumber them.

 

He takes Saints free kicks & corners and ones for England under 21's for a reason... he is good at them compared to his teammates at Saints and peers at international level.

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wow some real clueless comments here.

 

He is decent and will develop into a quality player, ridiculous over reactions and complete blindness from some people over a 20 year old.

 

There is far far more to football than pace and power, he has technique, good vision, and good range of passing, as well as a great work ethic.

 

All he needs is a bit more consistency which comes with time.

 

These people made exactly the same comments about Morgan. Not worth wasting your time on them. They'll be the first to complain when JWP goes to Real.

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I think the frustration people have with JWP is that he hasn't really developed as far as we'd hoped in the three years since he made his prem debut at City.

 

I think this is a big season for him. Last season he started well but suffered an injury at a fairly crucial time and didn't really recover the momentum I thought he had started with. As a club we've been spoilt with young talent and I fear we judge our academy output against Bale standards.

 

My view on JWP is that he is a solid, if not spectacular 20 year old who has demonstrated very high professional standards, hopefully he can improve further.

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These people made exactly the same comments about Morgan. Not worth wasting your time on them. They'll be the first to complain when JWP goes to Real.

 

He will never go to Real. But will have a good career.

 

I can see both sides of the argument but saying something like "all he needs is consistency" is interesting because to me he is fairly consistent already.

 

IMO all he needs is to add some aggression, tenacity, power to his game...not look to consistently do what he has so far.

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