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aintforever

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I guess next week it could be something different as he was on a completely different page just a few weeks ago.

 

I think he just said the Japanese idea was worth considering, probably to appease those in the submarine industry. do you have a link to where he has ever said it was his preferred option?

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Batman

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I think he just said the Japanese idea was worth considering, probably to appease those in the submarine industry. do you have a link to where he has ever said it was his preferred option?

If it worth considering, he was open to spending billions of £££££ on a pointless defence system - The Japanese model

 

Now, he is saying it is a total waste of money.

The point is, for a leader of a major party and on such a monumental topic, he is seemingly flip/flopping over a couple of weeks.

 

Either it is a total waste of money or it's not

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buctootim

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The whole of the defence budget is a total waste of money, unless you need it, in which case it isnt.

 

Labour have been conducting a review of defence. Corbyn was clearing trying not to pre-empt the findings of that review, so hedged what he said. He clearly doesnt want Trident in any form and has never wanted Trident in any form - but he was prepared to wait to see what the review says. No flip flopping.

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I somehow get the impression that his heart is not really in the job.

 

I think what probably happened is that the left wing group in Labour party wanted someone to stand in order to reclaim the traditions of the party (as they see it) and felt he could do the best job. I agree he probably wishes he was still hiking across the fells or eating lunch in a pub. I like him more than I agree with him - he has principles and having a Prime Minister who wants to do the job out of a sense of duty rather than personal ambition is much preferable imo. The trouble is those arent the qualities needed to lead a party - when being ruthless, mendacious and the ability to bend with every wind and media story are more important.

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I think what probably happened is that the left wing group in Labour party wanted someone to stand in order to reclaim the traditions of the party (as they see it) and felt he could do the best job. I agree he probably wishes he was still hiking across the fells or eating lunch in a pub. I like him more than I agree with him - he has principles and having a Prime Minister who wants to do the job out of a sense of duty rather than personal ambition is much preferable imo. The trouble is those arent the qualities needed to lead a party - when being ruthless, mendacious and the ability to bend with every wind and media story are more important.

 

Yes I do too. It's such a shame because what the country really needs is a strong, credible and constructive opposition.

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I somehow get the impression that his heart is not really in the job.

 

Then he should go or look for some role models. Here's one. Bernie Sanders isn't (despite his own rhetoric) a socialist - he's an updated FDR Democrat. But his ability to articulate his left-of-centre programme in a popular and populist way puts Corbyn to shame. It doesn't look like Sanders will survive long after tonight's votes, but at least he sounds like he has ideas that are not hopeless retreads of stuff lying around in 1983, and can articulate those ideas with conviction end effectiveness.

 

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Jeremy Corbyn and his mates have suppressed an investigation into claims of Jew-baiting antics among Oxford student Labour party members. It seems the allegations of the active promotion of a campaign of harassment aimed specifically at Jewish students are not serious enough to warrant attention.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12181673/Labour-anti-Semitism-row-threatens-to-divide-the-Party.html

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Jeremy Corbyn and his mates have suppressed an investigation into claims of Jew-baiting antics among Oxford student Labour party members. It seems the allegations of the active promotion of a campaign of harassment aimed specifically at Jewish students are not serious enough to warrant attention.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12181673/Labour-anti-Semitism-row-threatens-to-divide-the-Party.html

 

Following a link from that article I came to this :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/12161216/Is-the-Labour-Partys-problem-with-racism-beyond-repair.html

 

'Last night, a statement from the Oxford University Jewish Society began to circulate on social media, claiming to give an insight into how this problem with Jews was actually manifesting itself.

According to the statement, senior members of the Labour club liked to regale listeners with a song called “Rockets over Tel Aviv” and endorse Hamas attacks on Israeli civilians. They were in the habit of casually referring to Jewish students as “Zio”. They repeated tropes about the “Zionist lobby” and “high net worth Jewish individuals”. They stated all Jews should be required to denounce Zionism and the state of Israel, and that those who refused to do so should be shunned. And they had arranged for a group of students to harass a Jewish student and shout “filthy Zionist” at her.'

 

Good god, what is it with people? What a bunch of a*seh*les.

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LGTL

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I cannot believe (sadly I can) how weak the opposition have been this week. Arguably the toughest phase of Cameron/Osborne since they came to power and Labour have literally done nothing. Corbyn is a disaster for the party.

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And the gift to the Tories that keeps on giving...

 

Now Corbyn has been outed as having voted against banning Al Qaeda from the UK just six months before 9/11. Naturally, Diane Abbott and John McDonnell voted with him.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12207392/Labour-grandee-criticises-Jeremy-Corbyn-for-voting-against-Al-Qaeda-ban-before-911.html

 

He could hardly claim ignorance of their murderous violence. His vote came after the Al Qaeda attacks on the USS Cole and the embassies in Tanzania and Kenya.

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And the gift to the Tories that keeps on giving...

 

Now Corbyn has been outed as having voted against banning Al Qaeda from the UK just six months before 9/11. Naturally, Diane Abbott and John McDonnell voted with him.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12207392/Labour-grandee-criticises-Jeremy-Corbyn-for-voting-against-Al-Qaeda-ban-before-911.html

 

He could hardly claim ignorance of their murderous violence. His vote came after the Al Qaeda attacks on the USS Cole and the embassies in Tanzania and Kenya.

 

fuking disgraceful to be honest

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And the gift to the Tories that keeps on giving...

 

Now Corbyn has been outed as having voted against banning Al Qaeda from the UK just six months before 9/11. Naturally, Diane Abbott and John McDonnell voted with him.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12207392/Labour-grandee-criticises-Jeremy-Corbyn-for-voting-against-Al-Qaeda-ban-before-911.html

 

He could hardly claim ignorance of their murderous violence. His vote came after the Al Qaeda attacks on the USS Cole and the embassies in Tanzania and Kenya.

 

 

Surely there's tons of this stuff out there, and if Jeremy ends up fighting a general election he is going to get buried under it.

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Batman

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I see Jezza had to be pushed to act on the disgusting tweets by one of his own. Even then that person has only been suspended and not fired.

 

Guess racism from the Labour Party is no biggy. Part of the new, fairer politics jezza promised

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Ken Livingston in self-destruction mode today

 

Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges

Labour MP and senior Labour NEC member arguing on live national television about whether Hitler was a Zionist. This is actually happening.

 

Yvette Cooper ‏@YvetteCooperMP

No more delays from party - sort this out fast! Ken is deeply wrong. Anti-semitism IS racism, full-stop. And no place for this in @UKLabour

 

Richard Osman ‏@richardosman

This Ken Livingstone stuff on #dailypolitics is extraordinary. Never seen anything quite like it.

 

Owen Jones ‏@OwenJones84

Ken Livingstone has to be suspended from the Labour Party. Preferably before I pass out from punching myself in the face.

 

DailySunday Politics ‏@daily_politics

"I think it you have lost it Mr Livingstone, I think you need some help" says @JohnMannMP to @ken4london

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The upsurge in Jew-hating within the Corbynist wing of the party is truly staggering. Labour has traditionally been, if anything, a staunchly pro-Israel party, and the recognition of Palestinian rights has tended to fall into the background, and that needed to change.

 

But the emergence of a vehement anti-Jew wing - from Oxford Labour students being encouraged to harass Jewish students in the streets to references to "big nosed" big business conspirators and "solutions" for all Israeli Jews - is a sickening disgrace for a party with a proud tradition in human rights and equality.

 

Livingstone is Corbynism unchained. Removing him won't stop the onward rise of Jew-hating in the party. Only the removal of Corbyn - who has dragged his heels on this issue at every opportunity - will achieve that.

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Motor mouth red Ken now suspended from the Labour Party

 

Guess the new fairer, nicer politics from labour is officially dead and buried.

 

Corbyn will never ever be prime minister

Will throw the NHS issues off the front page tomorrw

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Bloody hell, Labour an absolute car crash at the moment! With these loons in charge they are going to get annihilated at both local and national polls. They are even trailing the Tories in Scotland now FFS!

 

Can't wait to see where he pops up next, must be banging the door of a radio show somewhere.

 

Neil Coyle Labour MP now on Sky News saying he's getting calls from constituents demanding he's sacked from the Labour Party, calling on the Shadow Cabinet to act now. Saying how "disheartening" it is for Labour activists out campaigning now, echoing Verbal's points above. This Labour Leadership are completely clueless and, frankly embarrassing.

 

"Hitler was a Zionist" :mcinnes:

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Unbelievable Jeff

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To be fair, Red Ken is an utter nutcase and has been for years, but if you break down what he says he's not completely wrong, certainly from a historical standpoint...not that he should have said it. Oh no. Definitely should not have said it.

 

The new old Labour Party. Just when they look to be actually winning some battles, they decide to punch themselves in the crotch. Its as if they actually don't want power and want to sell Corbyn and the far left up the river at the expense of the next election, so that the party will never have to deal with them again ('they had their chance and ****ed it up').

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Ken's is an anti-Semite ,always has been , but must feel more confident to express it in Corbyns party. Parts of the left have always had these views. He was a car crash on Daily Politics .

 

Tellingly Mann is now facing sanction from the party for his behaviour towards Livingstone. Bonkers

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Unbelievable Jeff

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Ken's is an anti-Semite ,always has been , but must feel more confident to express it in Corbyns party. Parts of the left have always had these views. He was a car crash on Daily Politics .

 

Tellingly Mann is now facing sanction from the party for his behaviour towards Livingstone. Bonkers

 

I think Mann will be fine, he's calling someone out for saying something ****ing stupid. The issue for Labour is that it has come from within their own party.

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To be fair, Red Ken is an utter nutcase and has been for years, but if you break down what he says he's not completely wrong

 

In the 30's the Gestapo and the SS worked very closely with German Zionists to encourage Jews to emigrate to Palestine. There was even a regular boat service which served Kosher food and, often, the Gestapo would intervene to resolve any bureaucratic problems. So it could be argued that Hitler was pro-Zionist, very keen to see the establishment of a Zionist state, then he could kick them all out of Germany.

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Unbelievable Jeff

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In the 30's the Gestapo and the SS worked very closely with German Zionists to encourage Jews to emigrate to Palestine. There was even a regular boat service which served Kosher food and, often, the Gestapo would intervene to resolve any bureaucratic problems. So it could be argued that Hitler was pro-Zionist, very keen to see the establishment of a Zionist state, then he could kick them all out of Germany.

 

Indeed, which was why I said that!

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While Ken may not exactly be whiter than white, this latest episode seems to be another choreographed stunt by the BBC...

 

http://www.newtekjournalismukworld.com/eileen-kersey/john-mann-pulls-bbc-stunt-ken-livingstone-suspended-from-labour

 

Edit: In fact, if you watch the video of the confrontation, you can clearly see Mann look over to check if the cameras are rolling before he unleashed his tirade.

 

Pathetic opportunism, aided and abetted by a heavily biased BBCDP crew (the Tory leanings of Andrew Neil and Laura Kuenssberg are not in any doubt) looking for a sensational way to undermine Labour. Just like the incident with the live resignation of Stephen Doughty.

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To be fair, Red Ken is an utter nutcase and has been for years, but if you break down what he says he's not completely wrong, certainly from a historical standpoint...not that he should have said it. Oh no. Definitely should not have said it.

 

The new old Labour Party. Just when they look to be actually winning some battles, they decide to punch themselves in the crotch. Its as if they actually don't want power and want to sell Corbyn and the far left up the river at the expense of the next election, so that the party will never have to deal with them again ('they had their chance and ****ed it up').

 

Totally, it's a complex discussion that probably was not best brought up straight after PM get's accused of racism and his health sec is currently at war with the staff of the NHS...amongst other things. It's certainly very good timing I see.

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Sour Mash

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Totally, it's a complex discussion that probably was not best brought up straight after PM get's accused of racism and his health sec is currently at war with the staff of the NHS...amongst other things. It's certainly very good timing I see.
A Tory or a supporter of anti-Semites, I'm not sure which one is worse to be honest.
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A Tory or a supporter of anti-Semites, I'm not sure which one is worse to be honest.

 

Any idea what a semite is? nup, thought not....Also, racism is fine by you then I assume. Labelling a British Asian muslim as automatically and obviously being a member of an extremist group is totally ok then is it?

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Sour Mash

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Any idea what a semite is? nup, thought not....Also, racism is fine by you then I assume. Labelling a British Asian muslim as automatically and obviously being a member of an extremist group is totally ok then is it?
Why do I need "any idea"? I'm just pointing out your support of anti-semites that's all.
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Why do I need "any idea"? I'm just pointing out your support of anti-semites that's all.

 

Because when you say anti-semite, what semite do you mean? The Maltese, perhaps the Palestinians, or maybe even the Cypriots....Oh, you mean the Israelites...Just pointing out your obvious ignorance because, frankly, you could be a supporter of Israel and the Jewish people (like technically myself) and STILL be an anti-semite....just pointing it out. I would also suggest the conservative signing of the Balfour agreement did more to damage certain anti-semitic feeling than pretty much anything else, but do carry on.

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Sour Mash

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Because when you say anti-semite, what semite do you mean? The Maltese, perhaps the Palestinians, or maybe even the Cypriots....Oh, you mean the Israelites...Just pointing out your obvious ignorance because, frankly, you could be a supporter of Israel and the Jewish people (like technically myself) and STILL be an anti-semite....just pointing it out. I would also suggest the conservative signing of the Balfour agreement did more to damage certain anti-semitic feeling than pretty much anything else, but do carry on.
I just mean the same as everyone else that uses it and criticises your Labour crowd for having such a problem with it. Feel free to criticise them for it in you own time?
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I wonder if anyone would be sticking up for labour/Ken if he stuck up for someone who said we should "transport" the whole of Palestine to say, Pakistan and solve the Palestine "solution"?

 

Doubt it. Jew bashing is fair game with labour leaders/lefties

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I just mean the same as everyone else that uses it and criticises your Labour crowd for having such a problem with it. Feel free to criticise them for it in you own time?

 

 

Oh! You mean the bloody ignorant version of it then.

Why would Labour have a problem with it? Do tell since their whole ideology was created by Karl Marx. "My own crowd" ha what a buffoon.

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