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We should get used to some of the names on this list, best 50 players in France as of end of last season.

 

http://www.footballtop.com/championships/ligue-1/players

 

Must be an old list, Cana is pretty crap and Brandao has been banished to somewhere in the 3rd world because he's a bit of a felon. Kazri was transferred to Sunderland last winter, the errors are endless.

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the french scout

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We should get used to some of the names on this list, best 50 players in France as of end of last season.

 

http://www.footballtop.com/championships/ligue-1/players

 

Sorry but this list is totally random and inacurrate.

 

If you can read french you could take a look at this article about the 15 best prospects in Ligue 1 last season (there is Boufal in it so it could be interesting to read...)

 

http://www.cahiersdufootball.net/article-top-15-les-espoirs-de-ligue-1-premiere-partie-6234

http://www.cahiersdufootball.net/article-top-15-les-espoirs-de-ligue-1-deuxieme-partie-6236

 

For the non-frenc speakers here is the top :

 

15 - Ricardo Pereira - Nice (on loan from Porto) - FB - 24yo

14 - Adam Ounas - Bordeaux - AM - 20yo

13 - Sergi Darder - Lyon - CM - 23yo

12 - Morgan Sanson - Montpellier - CM - 22yo

11 - Alban Lafont - Toulouse - GK - 17yo

10 - Sofiane Boufal - Lille (Southampton this season)- AM - 23yo

9 - Fabinho - Monaco - FB or CM - 23yo

8 - Michy Batshuayi - Marseille (Chelsea this season) - Striker - 23yo

7 - Thomas Lemar - Monaco - AM - 21yo

6 - Layvin Kurzawa - PSG - Left Back - 24yo

5 - Bernardo Silva - Monaco - AM - 22yo

4 - Samuel Umtiti - Lyon (Barcelona this season) - CB - 23yo

3 - Adrien Rabiot - PSG - CM - 21yo

2 - Nabil Fékir - Lyon - AM - 23yo

1 - Ousmane Dembélé - Rennes (Dortmund this season) - AM - 19yo

 

Honorable mentions :

 

Raphaël Guerreiro -Lorient (Dortmund this season) - Left Back

Almany Touré - Monaco - Left Back

Vincent Koziello - Nice - CM

Nampalys Mendy - Nice (Leicester this season)

Corentin Tolisso - Lyon - CM

Florian Thauvin - Marseille - AM

Djibril Sidibé - Monaco - FB

Paul-Georges Ntep - Rennes - Winger

Rachid Ghezzal - Lyon - Winger

Kylian Mbappé - Monaco - Striker

and a dozen more who are still very young...

 

Obviously this article is from April 2016 so some of them would be ranked higher (Lemar, Sidibé, Fabinho, Ricardo Pereira, Guerreiro, Tolisso, Mbappé) or lower (Fékir, Ounas, Batshuayi, Mendy, Touré) now.

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The parallels with Newcastle are worrying me

 

Newcastle had a few semi decent seasons (finished 5th in 2012) before developing a mild obsession with the French league.... Fast forward a couple years and Newcastle are relegated!

 

If we were looking to follow a cost effective model id encourage Reed to look at Spurs not Newcastle and would suggest removing the 'France only' filters from the black box

 

Other parallels with Newcastle are the EVERYTHING MUST GO signs splashed all over our the place. Lets leave the Sports direct approach to Fat Ashley and lets hold on to our last few top players this Jan and summer please

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The parallels with Newcastle are worrying me

 

Newcastle had a few semi decent seasons (finished 5th in 2012) before developing a mild obsession with the French league.... Fast forward a couple years and Newcastle are relegated!

 

If we were looking to follow a cost effective model id encourage Reed to look at Spurs not Newcastle and would suggest removing the 'France only' filters from the black box

 

Other parallels with Newcastle are the EVERYTHING MUST GO signs splashed all over our the place. Lets leave the Sports direct approach to Fat Ashley and lets hold on to our last few top players this Jan and summer please

 

Ffs did you just compare us to Newcastle? :mcinnes:

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The parallels with Newcastle are worrying me

 

Newcastle had a few semi decent seasons (finished 5th in 2012) before developing a mild obsession with the French league.... Fast forward a couple years and Newcastle are relegated!

 

If we were looking to follow a cost effective model id encourage Reed to look at Spurs not Newcastle and would suggest removing the 'France only' filters from the black box

 

Other parallels with Newcastle are the EVERYTHING MUST GO signs splashed all over our the place. Lets leave the Sports direct approach to Fat Ashley and lets hold on to our last few top players this Jan and summer please

 

Take a bow son, take... a... bow!

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I think the major problem about Newcastle wasn't they were buying players from Ligue 1 but buying bad or mediocre players from Ligue 1.

Gouffran, Marveaux, Amalfitano, Rivière, Haidara, Obertan were "meh" at best, for instance.

Rémy, Cabaye, Sissoko, Debuchy were quite good and are all international players.

And then there were players like Thauvin, Ben Arfa, Yanga-Mbiwa or Cabella who are quite good but not very consistent and failed because they came in a cub where nothing was working and were quite young for the most of them.

 

About the list I post earlier, I seriously think a club like Southampton can't buy players above Boufal (#10) and they will all play soon in big clubs, like Umtiti, Dembélé or Guerreiro already are.

 

Just look at the top 15 from the previous season and tell me you don't want some of these guys at Southampton :

 

15 - Yannick Ferreira-Carrasco (Atletico Madrid), 14 - Paul-Georges Ntep (Rennes), 13 - Jordan Amavi (Aston Villa), 12 - Geoffrey Kondogbia (Inter Milan), 11 - Gianneli Imbula (Stoke City), 10 - Layvin Kurzawa (PSG), 9 - Divock Origi (Liverpool), 8 - Samuel Umtiti (FB Barcelona), 7 - Michy Batshuayi (Chelsea), 6 - Rony Lopes (Lille), 5 - Bernardo Silva (Monaco), 4 - Morgan Sanson (Montpellier), 3 - Alexandre Lacazette (Lyon), 2 - Anthony Martial (Manchester United), 1 - Nabil Fékir (Lyon)

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Sorry but this list is totally random and inacurrate.

 

If you can read french you could take a look at this article about the 15 best prospects in Ligue 1 last season (there is Boufal in it so it could be interesting to read...)

 

http://www.cahiersdufootball.net/article-top-15-les-espoirs-de-ligue-1-premiere-partie-6234

http://www.cahiersdufootball.net/article-top-15-les-espoirs-de-ligue-1-deuxieme-partie-6236

 

For the non-frenc speakers here is the top :

 

15 - Ricardo Pereira - Nice (on loan from Porto) - FB - 24yo

14 - Adam Ounas - Bordeaux - AM - 20yo

13 - Sergi Darder - Lyon - CM - 23yo

12 - Morgan Sanson - Montpellier - CM - 22yo

11 - Alban Lafont - Toulouse - GK - 17yo

10 - Sofiane Boufal - Lille (Southampton this season)- AM - 23yo

9 - Fabinho - Monaco - FB or CM - 23yo

8 - Michy Batshuayi - Marseille (Chelsea this season) - Striker - 23yo

7 - Thomas Lemar - Monaco - AM - 21yo

6 - Layvin Kurzawa - PSG - Left Back - 24yo

5 - Bernardo Silva - Monaco - AM - 22yo

4 - Samuel Umtiti - Lyon (Barcelona this season) - CB - 23yo

3 - Adrien Rabiot - PSG - CM - 21yo

2 - Nabil Fékir - Lyon - AM - 23yo

1 - Ousmane Dembélé - Rennes (Dortmund this season) - AM - 19yo

 

Honorable mentions :

 

Raphaël Guerreiro -Lorient (Dortmund this season) - Left Back

Almany Touré - Monaco - Left Back

Vincent Koziello - Nice - CM

Nampalys Mendy - Nice (Leicester this season)

Corentin Tolisso - Lyon - CM

Florian Thauvin - Marseille - AM

Djibril Sidibé - Monaco - FB

Paul-Georges Ntep - Rennes - Winger

Rachid Ghezzal - Lyon - Winger

Kylian Mbappé - Monaco - Striker

and a dozen more who are still very young...

 

Obviously this article is from April 2016 so some of them would be ranked higher (Lemar, Sidibé, Fabinho, Ricardo Pereira, Guerreiro, Tolisso, Mbappé) or lower (Fékir, Ounas, Batshuayi, Mendy, Touré) now.

 

Fekir is my man

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Just look at the top 15 from the previous season and tell me you don't want some of these guys at Southampton :

 

15 - Yannick Ferreira-Carrasco (Atletico Madrid), 14 - Paul-Georges Ntep (Rennes), 13 - Jordan Amavi (Aston Villa), 12 - Geoffrey Kondogbia (Inter Milan), 11 - Gianneli Imbula (Stoke City), 10 - Layvin Kurzawa (PSG), 9 - Divock Origi (Liverpool), 8 - Samuel Umtiti (FB Barcelona), 7 - Michy Batshuayi (Chelsea), 6 - Rony Lopes (Lille), 5 - Bernardo Silva (Monaco), 4 - Morgan Sanson (Montpellier), 3 - Alexandre Lacazette (Lyon), 2 - Anthony Martial (Manchester United), 1 - Nabil Fékir (Lyon)

 

Some top players no doubt... But we typically buy players for 10-15m tops

 

Ferreira-Carrasco was £20m

Kondogbia was £30m

Imbula £18.5m

Kurzawa £23m

Umtiti £25m

Batshuayi £34m

Martial £45m

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The parallels with Newcastle are worrying me

 

Newcastle had a few semi decent seasons (finished 5th in 2012) before developing a mild obsession with the French league.... Fast forward a couple years and Newcastle are relegated!

 

If we were looking to follow a cost effective model id encourage Reed to look at Spurs not Newcastle and would suggest removing the 'France only' filters from the black box

 

Other parallels with Newcastle are the EVERYTHING MUST GO signs splashed all over our the place. Lets leave the Sports direct approach to Fat Ashley and lets hold on to our last few top players this Jan and summer please

 

Would say more like Swansea than Newcastle.

 

My concern is we are 1 bad season away from relegation (i guess that could always be said) but our recruitment is generally getting worse, IMO.

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Some top players no doubt... But we typically buy players for 10-15m tops

 

Ferreira-Carrasco was £20m

Kondogbia was £30m

Imbula £18.5m

Kurzawa £23m

Umtiti £25m

Batshuayi £34m

Martial £45m

 

Even with the money from the new deal about TV rights ?

Here in France, journalists and supporters were mad about this, saying even the Championship clubs could buy top players from Ligue 1.

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Would say more like Swansea than Newcastle.

 

My concern is we are 1 bad season away from relegation (i guess that could always be said) but our recruitment is generally getting worse, IMO.

 

And if we are so be it. I'll not lose sleep over it, just be a fan of a Championship team, not ideal but still Saints. Far more important things to worry about in this world.

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I would be amazed at this. We have enough non-scoring forwards without paying good money for another one. he has 3 goals in 17 this season (I am guessing mainly a sub for Napoli which again would raise the question of why we would even be interested). Reckon this must be his agent trying to drum up some interest in him.

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Puel said in presser yesterday it be difficult to sign anyone superior to what we already have. Let's hope he is playing it cool to take away the scent from media. Based on Longs performance the other night I'll be confident we can find much better alternative in transfer window. His confidence is shot, he doesn't look happy at all. Jrod doesn't offer an outlet. Pretty obvious we need a striker. If we don't address's this next month I can see I very flat second half of the season.

 

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Puel said in presser yesterday it be difficult to sign anyone superior to what we already have. Let's hope he is playing it cool to take away the scent from media. Based on Longs performance the other night I'll be confident we can find much better alternative in transfer window. His confidence is shot, he doesn't look happy at all. Jrod doesn't offer an outlet. Pretty obvious we need a striker. If we don't address's this next month I can see I very flat second half of the season.

 

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Hmmm it all depends how much money is made available. If it's for example £10m then yes it is impossible to improve on what we already have. So are we tightening our belts? Are we being too cautious or just very prudent? Are we happy with just treading water content with an empty trophy cabinet and a healthy bank balance? All questions that only a genius or clairvoyant could answer. Cue CB Fry!

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Hmmm it all depends how much money is made available. If it's for example £10m then yes it is impossible to improve on what we already have. So are we tightening our belts? Are we being too cautious or just very prudent? Are we happy with just treading water content with an empty trophy cabinet and a healthy bank balance? All questions that only a genius or clairvoyant could answer. Cue CB Fry!

 

Currently about 70% of our income goes on wages The Big Five Clubs have turnovers of a least three times ours whilst Spurs is about double ours.

 

I think that the reason SFC does not spend mega bucks on players is they just cannot afford the wages .

 

Of course it would be great to sign top class players but it is not going to happen that is why I accept that the way the club is being run at the moment is the correct one and accept that we will be beaten often by clubs like Spurs with better resources.

 

I think our average position in the Top Division until our relegation in 2005 was roughly 12th so since our return we are doing better but to improve our position further we need an extra £100m or so income per year

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Hmmm it all depends how much money is made available. If it's for example £10m then yes it is impossible to improve on what we already have. So are we tightening our belts? Are we being too cautious or just very prudent? Are we happy with just treading water content with an empty trophy cabinet and a healthy bank balance? All questions that only a genius or clairvoyant could answer. Cue CB Fry!

 

I think until Kat decides she wants to sell, or further investors are introduced, we need to accept that this is the case. However, given the income and profits we have made on transfers and TV deals of the last 3 years, I don't think it's unreasonable for the fans to want us to push on.

 

It's a shame because these last 3 or 4 years have been the best opportunity we will ever have to break into the top 4, or to add something to that empty trophy cabinet (last year especially, as Leicester showed how weak the PL was).

 

As for Jan, I'd hope we get a VVD replacement (for when he leaves in the summer) and Fonte replacement (should he leave), a CF to replace Pelle and increased in priority following Austins injury (the club have said this was Austin, however lets be honest, we needed Austin when we had Pelle anyway) and a creative central midfielder.

 

My guess is that we'll get a CB and a cheap or loan CF.

 

Over to you Les and Ross

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Currently about 70% of our income goes on wages The Big Five Clubs have turnovers of a least three times ours whilst Spurs is about double ours.

 

I think that the reason SFC does not spend mega bucks on players is they just cannot afford the wages .

 

Of course it would be great to sign top class players but it is not going to happen that is why I accept that the way the club is being run at the moment is the correct one and accept that we will be beaten often by clubs like Spurs with better resources.

 

I think our average position in the Top Division until our relegation in 2005 was roughly 12th so since our return we are doing better but to improve our position further we need an extra £100m or so income per year

 

On the last figures available, we were 12th by turnover. Since then Villa, who were above us, have been relegated, but I suspect Leicester have shot above us. We continue to punch above our weight, and yet the demand form supporters is for more and more.

 

The big clubs pay significantly better wages and it should be no surprise that we lose players to them, and yet is it always seems to come as a surprise to many.

 

The policy of buying highly rated young talent, developing them for a couple of years and then using those funds to develop the whole club over time has been clearly explained. I also like the way we are allowing our youngsters time to develop, and the philosophy of giving them game time is back.

 

We are not a top 6 club, but occasionally we might have a top 6 team.

 

Just enjoy the ride.

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On the last figures available, we were 12th by turnover. Since then Villa, who were above us, have been relegated, but I suspect Leicester have shot above us. We continue to punch above our weight, and yet the demand form supporters is for more and more.

 

The big clubs pay significantly better wages and it should be no surprise that we lose players to them, and yet is it always seems to come as a surprise to many.

 

The policy of buying highly rated young talent, developing them for a couple of years and then using those funds to develop the whole club over time has been clearly explained. I also like the way we are allowing our youngsters time to develop, and the philosophy of giving them game time is back.

 

We are not a top 6 club, but occasionally we might have a top 6 team.

 

Just enjoy the ride.

 

Excellent post...

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The policy of buying highly rated young talent, developing them for a couple of years and then using those funds to develop the whole club over time has been clearly explained.

 

Develop the whole club? What does that mean?

 

We own the stadium, we have a new training ground - whats next?

 

Prem clubs recieve 100-150m now just for being in the league, if we really need to sell every single summer then we have not built a sustainable model

 

Last 3 summers alone we have sold players and received 200+ million (reinvested about 60-70%)

 

We have other income for developing the club as a whole, not everything needs to resolve around player sales like the old days

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Develop the whole club? What does that mean?

 

We own the stadium, we have a new training ground - whats next?

 

Prem clubs recieve 100-150m now just for being in the league, if we really need to sell every single summer then we have not built a sustainable model

 

Last 3 summers alone we have sold players and received 200+ million (reinvested about 60-70%)

 

We have other income for developing the club as a whole, not everything needs to resolve around player sales like the old days

 

Developing Kat's back pocket (in repaying the clubs debts to her) which is fair enough given what they have given to the club, however if this is really the case (as I suspect a few think it is), then it is time for her to sell / seek further investment, IMO of course.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38453345

 

In summary, according to this article..

 

Who wants ("is linked with") our players?

VvD: Chelsea, Everton, Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd,

Long: Sunderland

JRod: WBA

 

They say Fonte "is the most likely to leave", but then don't link him with anyone! Eh?!

 

Who we want (apparently):

Eric Choupo-Moting, 27, FW, (Schalke)

Wylan Cyprien, 21, CM, (Nice)

Lucas Perez, 28, CF, (Arsenal)

Fabian Schar, 25, CB, (Hoffenheim)

Molla Wague, 25, CB, (Udinese)

Kevin Wimmer, 24, CB, (Tottenham)

Dani Parejo, 27, CM, (Valencia)

Jacob Murphy, 21, RM, (Norwich City)

Nemanja Gudelj, 25, CM, (Ajax).

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Developing Kat's back pocket (in repaying the clubs debts to her) which is fair enough given what they have given to the club, however if this is really the case (as I suspect a few think it is), then it is time for her to sell / seek further investment, IMO of course.

 

Further investment I dont think will help much it is more revenue that we need not just TV revenue which other clubs get but ticket revenue and from hospitality shirts etc but that is unlikely to happen as we have a relatively small fanbase compared to the clubs above us in the League.

 

Transfer fees and agent's fees associated with them probably attract VAT so Man U may have paid £25m for Morgan but we would not have received that much

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Developing Kat's back pocket (in repaying the clubs debts to her) which is fair enough given what they have given to the club, however if this is really the case (as I suspect a few think it is), then it is time for her to sell / seek further investment, IMO of course.

 

Genuine question: has the club paid Kat any/all the money lent/given over the years?

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I'm no different to any Saints fan out here.....even Heisenberg:lol:....I want to see us challenging at the top, maybe winning trophies and keeping hold of all our star players.

However i like to think that after over 40 years of supporting Saints and just being a football fan in general i have a realistic view of football and what most owners of clubs want or are prepared to accept.

 

Marcus took over a club that was worth very little and between he and now Kat has turned it into a well run club with assets worth absolutely millions more than they inherited...by anyones standards that is success.

We have had seasons of success upon success and now find ourselves in that group of about 6 clubs potentially challenging for a European spot each season.

 

Personally i think most owners of a football club would take this story of success and financial security every day of the week......football fans have a different outlook, they want all of the above and to be winning trophies and qualifying for Europe every season....(take Arsenal fans for an example, fantastic success under Wenger and yet they really are a bunch of miserable gits wanting more and more)

 

I think most owners of clubs go into every season with the ambition to do well and improve on the previous season and if luck is on their side have a decent cup run....and if luck really is on their side a cup final....however i honestly don't think the majority care about a cup.....they care about survival, not making a huge loss and hopefully having one or two players that have a blinding season that increases their stock value.....This is a business to the owners of clubs, nothing more nothing less (i accept there are a few insanely rich owners that care not about losing money providing they can buy a title)

 

Whatever the football fans will still turn up to games....especially if you continue to be a top flight club....yes u may lose a few but in general we love our sport and love our club.

 

As we go into 2017 accept that football is a business and unless we get taken over by an insanely rich owner we will continue to be a decent top flight club that will sometimes get some great results and might get lucky to get a good cup run but we will never challenge the top 4 and unlikely challenge the top 6....a one off like Leicester is all we can dream about.

 

Have a good 2017 all Saints fans including you Heisenberg....relax more.

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I'm no different to any Saints fan out here.....even Heisenberg:lol:....I want to see us challenging at the top, maybe winning trophies and keeping hold of all our star players.

However i like to think that after over 40 years of supporting Saints and just being a football fan in general i have a realistic view of football and what most owners of clubs want or are prepared to accept.

 

Marcus took over a club that was worth very little and between he and now Kat has turned it into a well run club with assets worth absolutely millions more than they inherited...by anyones standards that is success.

We have had seasons of success upon success and now find ourselves in that group of about 6 clubs potentially challenging for a European spot each season.

 

Personally i think most owners of a football club would take this story of success and financial security every day of the week......football fans have a different outlook, they want all of the above and to be winning trophies and qualifying for Europe every season....(take Arsenal fans for an example, fantastic success under Wenger and yet they really are a bunch of miserable gits wanting more and more)

 

I think most owners of clubs go into every season with the ambition to do well and improve on the previous season and if luck is on their side have a decent cup run....and if luck really is on their side a cup final....however i honestly don't think the majority care about a cup.....they care about survival, not making a huge loss and hopefully having one or two players that have a blinding season that increases their stock value.....This is a business to the owners of clubs, nothing more nothing less (i accept there are a few insanely rich owners that care not about losing money providing they can buy a title)

 

Whatever the football fans will still turn up to games....especially if you continue to be a top flight club....yes u may lose a few but in general we love our sport and love our club.

 

As we go into 2017 accept that football is a business and unless we get taken over by an insanely rich owner we will continue to be a decent top flight club that will sometimes get some great results and might get lucky to get a good cup run but we will never challenge the top 4 and unlikely challenge the top 6....a one off like Leicester is all we can dream about.

 

Have a good 2017 all Saints fans including you Heisenberg....relax more.

 

Very well said Sir, agree wholeheartedly

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I'm no different to any Saints fan out here.....even Heisenberg:lol:....I want to see us challenging at the top, maybe winning trophies and keeping hold of all our star players.

However i like to think that after over 40 years of supporting Saints and just being a football fan in general i have a realistic view of football and what most owners of clubs want or are prepared to accept.

 

Marcus took over a club that was worth very little and between he and now Kat has turned it into a well run club with assets worth absolutely millions more than they inherited...by anyones standards that is success.

We have had seasons of success upon success and now find ourselves in that group of about 6 clubs potentially challenging for a European spot each season.

 

Personally i think most owners of a football club would take this story of success and financial security every day of the week......football fans have a different outlook, they want all of the above and to be winning trophies and qualifying for Europe every season....(take Arsenal fans for an example, fantastic success under Wenger and yet they really are a bunch of miserable gits wanting more and more)

 

I think most owners of clubs go into every season with the ambition to do well and improve on the previous season and if luck is on their side have a decent cup run....and if luck really is on their side a cup final....however i honestly don't think the majority care about a cup.....they care about survival, not making a huge loss and hopefully having one or two players that have a blinding season that increases their stock value.....This is a business to the owners of clubs, nothing more nothing less (i accept there are a few insanely rich owners that care not about losing money providing they can buy a title)

 

Whatever the football fans will still turn up to games....especially if you continue to be a top flight club....yes u may lose a few but in general we love our sport and love our club.

 

As we go into 2017 accept that football is a business and unless we get taken over by an insanely rich owner we will continue to be a decent top flight club that will sometimes get some great results and might get lucky to get a good cup run but we will never challenge the top 4 and unlikely challenge the top 6....a one off like Leicester is all we can dream about.

 

Have a good 2017 all Saints fans including you Heisenberg....relax more.

 

Everything you have said there is fair however as fans we can also ask ourselves this question: Have the powers that be who are in charge of recruitment made the most of the means we have available at our disposal? For me, jury is out for this season and I don't seen much chance of things getting better than they are.

 

I genuinely believe the club spends as much as it can within being run as a sound business and within FFP. Where I do question is whether or not Les Reed, Ross Wilson and whomever else is involved in recruitment have built a balanced / good enough squad with the resources available to them. And I can question that within the context of your overview.

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Id like to make my usual push for a signing from the championship. Won't solve our immediate issues, but as was the case with Oliver Burke, if you don't get in early enough his price will rocket. Ben Osbourne, also at Forrest, looks a good prospect.

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I'm no different to any Saints fan out here.....even Heisenberg:lol:....I want to see us challenging at the top, maybe winning trophies and keeping hold of all our star players.

However i like to think that after over 40 years of supporting Saints and just being a football fan in general i have a realistic view of football and what most owners of clubs want or are prepared to accept.

 

Marcus took over a club that was worth very little and between he and now Kat has turned it into a well run club with assets worth absolutely millions more than they inherited...by anyones standards that is success.

We have had seasons of success upon success and now find ourselves in that group of about 6 clubs potentially challenging for a European spot each season.

 

Personally i think most owners of a football club would take this story of success and financial security every day of the week......football fans have a different outlook, they want all of the above and to be winning trophies and qualifying for Europe every season....(take Arsenal fans for an example, fantastic success under Wenger and yet they really are a bunch of miserable gits wanting more and more)

 

I think most owners of clubs go into every season with the ambition to do well and improve on the previous season and if luck is on their side have a decent cup run....and if luck really is on their side a cup final....however i honestly don't think the majority care about a cup.....they care about survival, not making a huge loss and hopefully having one or two players that have a blinding season that increases their stock value.....This is a business to the owners of clubs, nothing more nothing less (i accept there are a few insanely rich owners that care not about losing money providing they can buy a title)

 

Whatever the football fans will still turn up to games....especially if you continue to be a top flight club....yes u may lose a few but in general we love our sport and love our club.

 

As we go into 2017 accept that football is a business and unless we get taken over by an insanely rich owner we will continue to be a decent top flight club that will sometimes get some great results and might get lucky to get a good cup run but we will never challenge the top 4 and unlikely challenge the top 6....a one off like Leicester is all we can dream about.

 

Have a good 2017 all Saints fans including you Heisenberg....relax more.

 

Yep nicely put

 

Happy new year mate

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I'm no different to any Saints fan out here.....even Heisenberg:lol:....I want to see us challenging at the top, maybe winning trophies and keeping hold of all our star players.

However i like to think that after over 40 years of supporting Saints and just being a football fan in general i have a realistic view of football and what most owners of clubs want or are prepared to accept.

 

Marcus took over a club that was worth very little and between he and now Kat has turned it into a well run club with assets worth absolutely millions more than they inherited...by anyones standards that is success.

We have had seasons of success upon success and now find ourselves in that group of about 6 clubs potentially challenging for a European spot each season.

 

Personally i think most owners of a football club would take this story of success and financial security every day of the week......football fans have a different outlook, they want all of the above and to be winning trophies and qualifying for Europe every season....(take Arsenal fans for an example, fantastic success under Wenger and yet they really are a bunch of miserable gits wanting more and more)

 

I think most owners of clubs go into every season with the ambition to do well and improve on the previous season and if luck is on their side have a decent cup run....and if luck really is on their side a cup final....however i honestly don't think the majority care about a cup.....they care about survival, not making a huge loss and hopefully having one or two players that have a blinding season that increases their stock value.....This is a business to the owners of clubs, nothing more nothing less (i accept there are a few insanely rich owners that care not about losing money providing they can buy a title)

 

Whatever the football fans will still turn up to games....especially if you continue to be a top flight club....yes u may lose a few but in general we love our sport and love our club.

 

As we go into 2017 accept that football is a business and unless we get taken over by an insanely rich owner we will continue to be a decent top flight club that will sometimes get some great results and might get lucky to get a good cup run but we will never challenge the top 4 and unlikely challenge the top 6....a one off like Leicester is all we can dream about.

 

Have a good 2017 all Saints fans including you Heisenberg....relax more.

 

Good post. But doesn't change the fact that we badly need a striker.

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