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Referendum on Moscow to officially become territory of Wales  

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buctootim

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Three gas pipelines breached in the Baltic. I wonder who did that and why...... Seems like Russia is desperate, desperate, desperate for NATO to do anything militarily so thay have some kind of fig leaf for the utter disaster. 

One of the pundits on a national tv propaganda show made an interesting comment which was quickly glossed over. Basically said they have only two months before economic collapse.  No idea if accurate or informed, but still   

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16 minutes ago, buctootim said:

Three gas pipelines breached in the Baltic. I wonder who did that and why...... Seems like Russia is desperate, desperate, desperate for NATO to do anything militarily so thay have some kind of fig leaf for the utter disaster. 

One of the pundits on a national tv propaganda show made an interesting comment which was quickly glossed over. Basically said they have only two months before economic collapse.  No idea if accurate or informed, but still   

Well they sure won’t be able to rely on their gas sales in future years. 
 

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badgerx16

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14 minutes ago, manji said:

These are the countries that condemned Russias Special Operation. Far from a majority. 

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Strange, because the UN Resolution demanding that Russia “immediately, completely and unconditionally withdraw all of its military forces from the territory of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders" was sponsored by 90 member states, and 141 voted in favour.

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1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

Strange, because the UN Resolution demandsing that Russia “immediately, completely and unconditionally withdraw all of its military forces from the territory of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders was supported by 90 member states.

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Jimmy_D

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7 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

But is that a majority ?

At this point I’m genuinely curious whether manji has seen that and been daft enough to believe it’s true without taking the 30 seconds it takes to debunk it, or has posted it knowing it’s false but is daft enough to think we’d believe it without taking the 30 seconds it takes to debunk it.

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51 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

But is that a majority ?

The most shocking thing about that picture is that the majority of Africa voted to condemn Russia. Africa has strong ties with Russia in general and has been turning more and more to both Russia and China over the last 20 years. 

On a slightly off-topic but incredibly irritating note the ANC youth league sent representatives to observe the Russian referendums in a disgusting display. 

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10 minutes ago, manji said:

Also an interview with some voters.

Provisional results show 97% of voters in a region where Russia illegally occupies less than 50% of the territory, and without the regional capital, voted in favour.

I call BULLSHIT!!!!!

 

Even Ferdinand Marcos didn't rig elections that well.

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Jimmy_D

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5 minutes ago, manji said:

Also an interview with some voters.

Regardless of what you think (or falsely claim) the result of a free and fair referendum would be, this is a referendum held during a war, with less than a week for people to make their case for either side, with voters voting at gunpoint, and hundreds of thousands of people who would be eligible to vote unable to, and the actual votes not actually making any difference to what Russia will claim the result is.

Using it as any sort of argument in Russia’s favour is ridiculous, it won’t be accepted anywhere else in the world. You’re just making yourself look even sillier now.

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Just now, Jimmy_D said:

Regardless of what you think (or falsely claim) the result of a free and fair referendum would be, this is a referendum held during a war, with less than a week for people to make their case for either side, with voters voting at gunpoint, and hundreds of thousands of people who would be eligible to vote unable to, and the actual votes not actually making any difference to what Russia will claim the result is.

Using it as any sort of argument in Russia’s favour is ridiculous, it won’t be accepted anywhere else in the world. You’re just making yourself look even sillier now.

Watch the video rather than regurgitating western propaganda.

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16 minutes ago, manji said:

Watch the video rather than regurgitating western propaganda.

I already read the transcript. I’m not quite sure how you think it even begins to refute any of the problems with the referendum, and that’s if we accept that it’s in any way genuine, which of course it isn’t to begin with.

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2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1574872242088976387.html

We are/will be the winners, right?

"The European energy war will likely go down in history, together with the Treaty of Versailles and the trade wars of the 1930s, as one of the biggest economic policy errors in history."

How is this an 'economic policy error' ? What else could we do ?

No mention of Russia invading Ukraine and raping and murdering thousands of women and children, forcing the West to find a non-violent means of retaliation. Or should we have done nothing, and become complicit in the worst swathe of war crimes since WW2 ?

Presumably he is yet another closet Putinista.

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Weston Super Saint

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63057966

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The EU has said leaks in two major gas pipelines from Russia to Europe were caused by sabotage - but stopped short of directly accusing Russia.

Deliberate disruption would result in the "strongest possible response", said the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen.

I'm struggling to envisage what the European Commission means by 'strongest possible response'.  If they mean economic sanctions, why haven't they imposed these already following Russia's illegal special military operation?  They clearly don't mean a military response as the EU has no army of its own and would need the backing of NATO.

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Jimmy_D

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7 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1574872242088976387.html

We are/will be the winners, right?

There aren’t any ‘winners’ in a war.

Russia could stop fighting today, cut their losses more or less instantly, stop throwing people away for nothing. Russia wouldn’t be invaded, they’d be safe, and sanctions would be eased on them.

Ukraine could stop fighting today. They’d be leaving hundreds of thousands of people under the occupation of people that have been murdering, raping, and torturing Ukrainian men, women, and children. Whatever the conditions of surrender would be, Russia would likely try to take more territory in the future, and no one would even begin to feel safe under those conditions.

In terms of energy, the EU is already weaning itself off of Russia.

For this winter, Germany already has full stores of gas, well ahead of schedule.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germany-reaches-october-gas-storage-target-despite-extended-nord-stream-1-halt-2022-09-03/

Going forward LNG terminals are being built to replace much of the Russian energy shortfall.

https://www.ft.com/content/27db90f5-a62e-4cbc-bfde-10b30d5e15c6

This is as well as the huge number of ongoing projects that were already starting to decarbonise energy production, and had already started to reduce reliance on Russian gas. That’s likely to be accelerated now.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Energy_statistics_-_an_overview

Meanwhile, Russia has lost one of its biggest sources of income, and also one of its biggest sources of soft power in the EU.

https://www.russiamatters.org/blog/numbers-where-do-russias-energy-exports-go

Russia simply doesn’t have the infrastructure in place to transport most of that EU supply anywhere else, and are unlikely to anytime soon, especially with the sanctions they’re working under. They’ve also lost the perception that they had of being a reliable energy supplier. They won’t be getting those sales or that reputation back.

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New $1.1B aid package from the USA, including 18 HIMARS and 12 Titan anti-drone AA/EW systems.

That’s going to be a significant improvement in capability for Ukraine, the Titan system in particular is unbelievably cutting edge defence tech.

I’m guessing the timing of the announcement is to coincide with the sham referendums.

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12 hours ago, skintsaint said:

Too old, too fat. Hasn't stopped Russia drafting these types up looking at some of the POWs.

Some of them being sent to the front with no training, under-equipped, and sanitary products in lieu of bandages.

Meanwhile Ukraine’s recruitment looks slightly different.

 

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1 hour ago, kyle04 said:

The Russian war machine is grinding into action :

I think it's going to be carnage.

Think Putin would probably be happy with carnage, be able to stoke up more hatred of Ukrainians and maybe even get more support for a general mobilisation.

As for the pipelines being destroyed, if it is him, he's daring the West, what do we do if we catch one of his subs or frogmen deploying more explosives, sink the sub, kill the frogmen, surely that would be ww3 starting?

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8 minutes ago, Millbrook Saint said:

Think Putin would probably be happy with carnage, be able to stoke up more hatred of Ukrainians and maybe even get more support for a general mobilisation.

As for the pipelines being destroyed, if it is him, he's daring the West, what do we do if we catch one of his subs or frogmen deploying more explosives, sink the sub, kill the frogmen, surely that would be ww3 starting?

He knows he will lose WW3 big time. NATO could annihilate his navy in 10 minutes. The aura of Russian strength evaporating by the day.

Since February NATO will have planned for every scenario continuously. 

 

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I remember growing up during the 80s with this constant background of the evil soviets and their massive army threatening to annihilate us. When the soviets regime fell, it turn out this bogeyman was but a shadow who struggled to have enough refrigerated trucks to move food about and armies equipment was mostly rust.

In seems over the last few year we have been fooled again that this country was a tiger to be feared and respected. Turns out not so much. Instead it is just a corrupt inefficient back water, just that the people skimming off the top were not necessarily the same as the previous lot, although a lot of them seem to have got their start under the old system.

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5 minutes ago, Millbrook Saint said:

Question is would he be willing to let off nukes, if he's dieing as some suspect, would he care, has he purged anyone he thinks would stop him. 

Could he drag China, Syria, Iran etc into it

I don’t know how many times it needs to be said, he can’t just ‘launch the nukes’ on a whim, no matter how unstable he is. He needs the military to actually do it. Baring in mind he has waited until the situation was desperate to mobilise civilians for a conventional war and he’s pushing his luck back home just doing that.

Why you think China or Syria would want to get dragged into Putin’s nuclear obliteration, I’ve no idea. China is looking out for China, nobody else. They’re using this to score some discount hydrocarbons and anything else they want.

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