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Referendum on Moscow to officially become territory of Wales  

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farawaysaint

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17 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

out of interest, how many do you know?

I know 3, in addition to lighthouses 4. One born in Crimea and 2 in the Donbas. One is fully up for the annexation and the other 2 against.

It is a mixed bag and pretending that the whole population supports either argument is simply untrue. That said Ukraine have international law on their side and Russia simply annexing territory through military force as they have been doing for three decades now is disgusting. 

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buctootim

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2 hours ago, manji said:

The amount of ignorance on the thread is breathtaking. I’m just going to focus of the referendums

They are being held in Donbass, Donetsk and Luhansk regions. They are all in the east of the Ukraine. All three regions are majority ethnic Russians. Pro Russian politically and culturally. The reason there has been fighting in these areas is because after the right wing coup in 2014 Azov troops placed Nazi bases in the area dotted around in civilian areas ( incidentally against UN combat rules ) this has made it difficult for Russian troops to advance rapidly albeit successfully. The referendums will inevitably be pro Russian as the inhabitants are Russian ethnic. 
Since the Maiden coup in 2014 the fascist Ukros have been torturing and killing Russian families in these three areas. 
Also most of the anti-Ukro resistance has been carried out by militias from these areas.

Russia will inevitably win as NATO are reluctant to supply anymore equipment as it is wasted by the Ukros. 
 

I wonder how many of you actually listened to Putins interview the other day he did not threaten to Nuke the west. He simply threatened retribution if the west used a FIRST STRIKE on Russia.

I think the biggest thing to come out of this is how gullible the great British public are to unverified propaganda. 
when everything settles down. The Tories have learnt how easy it is to deflect the news in their favour.

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"The amount of ignorance on the thread is breathtaking" Much of it is yours. There are at least 5 factually wrong claims in your short post - which shows your level of igonorance is next level.  For example - the absolute basics "They are being held in Donbass, Donetsk and Luhansk regions" The Donbass is not a separate region. Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts make up the Donbass region. You also forgot Kherson and Zaporizhia which are not in Donbass

Russian speaking does not equal Russian aligned - and anyway the 'Russian' spoken in Ukraine is actually a hybrid of Russian and Ukrainian called Surzhyk. Only a small proportion of the population speak 'pure' Ukrainian or 'pure' Russian the great majority speak Surzhyk, including in Kyiv. Until the 1930s the population of Crimea, South east Ukraine and the South west of Russia around Rostov and Krasnodar east were mostly Turkic Tartars, sometimes known as Cossacks. They were deported to the far east of Russia by Stalin for the crime of mainly being anti Bolshevik. Many of the so called ethnic Russians were transplanted there quite recently. 

But you arent interested in facts. You're too up your own arse for that.    

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Mystic Force

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What Manji said might be true, but Putin is still a bigger Cunt. He isn't in any imminent danger either, he has collected a lot of his country's wealth and his invasion has killed a lot more people than what supposedly came before.

 

There are bad people and there are worse people, I will side with the lesser of two evils.

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3 hours ago, manji said:

The amount of ignorance on the thread is breathtaking. I’m just going to focus of the referendums

They are being held in Donbass, Donetsk and Luhansk regions. They are all in the east of the Ukraine. All three regions are majority ethnic Russians. Pro Russian politically and culturally.

 

Oh dear, oh dear.

As has been pointed out by Buctootim, the Donbas is not an entity, it comprises Luhansk and Donetsk. The 'referenda' are being held in these 2 regions, plus Zaporizhzia and Kherson. The only problem for the ballots is that Russia actually only controls one of them in near enough it's entirity - Russia doesn't even control the regional capital of Zaporizhzia.

Given this geographical reality, how can the armed men knocking on people's doors, ( entirely NOT to intimidate, merely to ensure the security of voting ), be supervising a legitimate mandate ?

 

As for the rest of your drivel, it proves your opening sentence is correct.

 

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3 hours ago, manji said:

The amount of ignorance on the thread is breathtaking. I’m just going to focus of the referendums

They are being held in Donbass, Donetsk and Luhansk regions. They are all in the east of the Ukraine. All three regions are majority ethnic Russians. Pro Russian politically and culturally. The reason there has been fighting in these areas is because after the right wing coup in 2014 Azov troops placed Nazi bases in the area dotted around in civilian areas ( incidentally against UN combat rules ) this has made it difficult for Russian troops to advance rapidly albeit successfully. The referendums will inevitably be pro Russian as the inhabitants are Russian ethnic. 
Since the Maiden coup in 2014 the fascist Ukros have been torturing and killing Russian families in these three areas. 
Also most of the anti-Ukro resistance has been carried out by militias from these areas.

Russia will inevitably win as NATO are reluctant to supply anymore equipment as it is wasted by the Ukros. 
 

I wonder how many of you actually listened to Putins interview the other day he did not threaten to Nuke the west. He simply threatened retribution if the west used a FIRST STRIKE on Russia.

I think the biggest thing to come out of this is how gullible the great British public are to unverified propaganda. 
when everything settles down. The Tories have learnt how easy it is to deflect the news in their favour.

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Even if we made the assumption that this utter nonsense is all true, it still in no way justifies Putin's actions of bombing civilians out of their homes and flattening cities - the same civilians he is supposedly 'liberating'.

Putin has shown himself to be an evil cunt, and no sane or right minded person could support what he is doing, unless they have an agenda.

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manji

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4 hours ago, skintsaint said:

Another $40m blown out the sky.

 

 

Old footage of an UAF SU being shot down. They havnt got much of an airforce left that’s why Kelensky is desperately trying to get some F-16s from NATO. If any of you did any proper research you would find out NATO is becoming reluctant to supply any high tech weapons only to see them almost immediately destroyed.

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manji

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16 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/douglas-macgregor-fox-news-tucker-carlson-russia-ukraine-1318143/

https://odessa-journal.com/warning-douglas-mcgregor-pseudo-expert/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q8N6BgasVY

 

All those links are unreliable. Rolling Stone has from the beginning been anti Russian Neo-con ( bit like when they had Kelensky address Glastonbury), the Odessa journal if you read their website properly was set up to broadcast pro Ukrainian propaganda and the same as the chap on YouTube works for a pro Ukro think tank. 
strikes me most of you can’t get past the headlines that suit your prejudices.

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whelk

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8 minutes ago, manji said:

Great political insight there. He’s been spot on about Palestine for years and is right about Ukraine.

Oh yeah forgot about your Palestine crusade.  Listen to your Fox News fool and quote him and you will look really smart.  
 

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whelk

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14 minutes ago, manji said:

All those links are unreliable. Rolling Stone has from the beginning been anti Russian Neo-con ( bit like when they had Kelensky address Glastonbury), the Odessa journal if you read their website properly was set up to broadcast pro Ukrainian propaganda and the same as the chap on YouTube works for a pro Ukro think tank. 
strikes me most of you can’t get past the headlines that suit your prejudices.

Ever thought about fucking off and living there? Frustrating fir you living in the West 

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18 hours ago, aintforever said:

Which oneis it then?

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Stupid meme. Really early Batshit crazy Nazism has been embedded into Ukro society since the early 1920s. Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists.

One of the biggest Waffen SS brigades was the 1st Galacian Grenadier Division. Ukrainian volunteers. They had a particularly violent reputation even amongst the SS. They are still celebrated every year with torchlight parades.

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5 minutes ago, manji said:

Stupid meme. Really early Batshit crazy Nazism has been embedded into Ukro society since the early 1920s. Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists.

One of the biggest Waffen SS brigades was the 1st Galacian Grenadier Division. Ukrainian volunteers. They had a particularly violent reputation even amongst the SS. They are still celebrated every year with torchlight parades.

That’ll be B then.

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29 minutes ago, manji said:

Stupid meme. Really early Batshit crazy Nazism has been embedded into Ukro society since the early 1920s. Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists.

One of the biggest Waffen SS brigades was the 1st Galacian Grenadier Division. Ukrainian volunteers. They had a particularly violent reputation even amongst the SS. They are still celebrated every year with torchlight parades.

You seem to conveniently ignore the fact that Ukraine elected Jewish leader and far right parties got something like 2% of the vote in 2019. Bravo, that’s definitely a B then.

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32 minutes ago, manji said:

Do you suckers read any books or just soak up the headlines from The Guardian or Mail ?

 

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Azov. Remind me., They are the ones who formed a Grand Alliance with the other right wing groups in the 2019 Ukrainian election and they got a combined total of 2.3% of the vote. - far far less than the right in Germany, France or Italy for example. They're the ones who had influence 10 years ago when the Russian leaning President was selling Ukraine down the river but have faded away as a force once pro Europe politicians got elected. That's them right? 

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7 minutes ago, manji said:

Stupid meme. Really early Batshit crazy Nazism has been embedded into Ukro society since the early 1920s. Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists.

One of the biggest Waffen SS brigades was the 1st Galacian Grenadier Division. Ukrainian volunteers. They had a particularly violent reputation even amongst the SS. They are still celebrated every year with torchlight parades.

Oh dear it's all unravelling now. I suppose Germany is still a Nazi state, after all a nation cannot change once infected by extremists by your argument, even if it does elect a Jewish president. I think you may be confusing Nazi-ism with a deep distrust, even hatred of Russia/USSR within Ukraine. You will know the reasons for this of course, you will know about Holodomor for example, 7-10 million starved to death by Stalin in under 2 years. This cannot be overlooked or forgotten, nor can the level of animosity towards Russia by former SSR's, particularly the Baltic states and Poland.

Regarding NATO and the "reluctance" to supply their best equipment, there are reasons for this, (although the F15/16 aircraft are in the long term pipeline), and the possibility of "immediate" destruction in combat isn't one of them. HIMARS for example, although a relatively basic weapon, has suffered no verifiable losses, unless you include a strike on the 2nd floor of an office block and a log truck, Igor did keep a straight face, true professional. More sophisticated weapons require extensive training, and a small army of trained maintenance personnel.

Whatever path Russia has taken in this war it has turned to shit for them, including the latest chaotic mobilization.

 

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21 minutes ago, whelk said:

Do you believe the guy now back in Uk was tortured?

No. Wouldn’t be surprised if he got a bit of a slapping. Don’t forget the Russians let him go. They clearly have little to hide and the twat is bound to embellish his story.

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50 minutes ago, manji said:

One of the biggest Waffen SS brigades was the 1st Galacian Grenadier Division. Ukrainian volunteers. They had a particularly violent reputation even amongst the SS.

The Waffen SS incluuded 20,000 Ukrainians, yes. But it also included;

approx 7000 Albanians,

18000 Belgians,

6000 Danes,

20000 Estonians,

9000 French,

20000 Hungarians,

60000 Latvians,

over 20000 Dutch,

6000 Norwegians,

nearly 300000 Romanians,

amongst others, with 2 full divisions and several independant brigades of Soviet troops.

 

Which ones do we 'de-nazify' next ?

 

One a side note, is it acceptable to 'liberate' Ukrainian women and children by dropping Iranian built 'kamikaze' drones on them ?

 

 

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8 minutes ago, kyle04 said:

Oh dear it's all unravelling now. I suppose Germany is still a Nazi state, after all a nation cannot change once infected by extremists by your argument, even if it does elect a Jewish president. I think you may be confusing Nazi-ism with a deep distrust, even hatred of Russia/USSR within Ukraine. You will know the reasons for this of course, you will know about Holodomor for example, 7-10 million starved to death by Stalin in under 2 years. This cannot be overlooked or forgotten, nor can the level of animosity towards Russia by former SSR's, particularly the Baltic states and Poland.

Regarding NATO and the "reluctance" to supply their best equipment, there are reasons for this, (although the F15/16 aircraft are in the long term pipeline), and the possibility of "immediate" destruction in combat isn't one of them. HIMARS for example, although a relatively basic weapon, has suffered no verifiable losses, unless you include a strike on the 2nd floor of an office block and a log truck, Igor did keep a straight face, true professional. More sophisticated weapons require extensive training, and a small army of trained maintenance personnel.

Whatever path Russia has taken in this war it has turned to shit for them, including the latest chaotic mobilization.

 

And this warranted a laughing emoji from Manji.

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buctootim

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14 minutes ago, kyle04 said:

Oh dear it's all unravelling now. I suppose Germany is still a Nazi state, after all a nation cannot change once infected by extremists by your argument, even if it does elect a Jewish president. I think you may be confusing Nazi-ism with a deep distrust, even hatred of Russia/USSR within Ukraine. You will know the reasons for this of course, you will know about Holodomor for example, 7-10 million starved to death by Stalin in under 2 years. This cannot be overlooked or forgotten, nor can the level of animosity towards Russia by former SSR's, particularly the Baltic states and Poland.

Regarding NATO and the "reluctance" to supply their best equipment, there are reasons for this, (although the F15/16 aircraft are in the long term pipeline), and the possibility of "immediate" destruction in combat isn't one of them. HIMARS for example, although a relatively basic weapon, has suffered no verifiable losses, unless you include a strike on the 2nd floor of an office block and a log truck, Igor did keep a straight face, true professional. More sophisticated weapons require extensive training, and a small army of trained maintenance personnel.

Whatever path Russia has taken in this war it has turned to shit for them, including the latest chaotic mobilization.

 

Exactly this, and perpetuated by collectivisation of Ukrainian farms, deportations and the way Russia has always behaved towards Ukraine - as a colony.  

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whelk

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34 minutes ago, manji said:

No. Wouldn’t be surprised if he got a bit of a slapping. Don’t forget the Russians let him go. They clearly have little to hide and the twat is bound to embellish his story.

What about Iran and that poor woman Mahsa Amini? West just churning out a story and didn’t really happen?

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13 hours ago, skintsaint said:

Another $40m blown out the sky.

 

 

Seems Ukraine had quietly been supplied with at least eight state of the art NASAMS by NATO, which has been contributing to Russia’s increasingly heavy aircraft losses the last few days.

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20 hours ago, manji said:

No. Wouldn’t be surprised if he got a bit of a slapping. Don’t forget the Russians let him go. They clearly have little to hide and the twat is bound to embellish his story.

Kin’ ell. A raised eyebrows emoji doesn’t really cut it in the circumstances.

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5 hours ago, buctootim said:

Russia is going to close its borders to stop people fleeing. 261,000 men already gone since mobilisation. You can't beat success like that eh Manji? 

That’s just the reported figures from the FSB themselves. Can’t imagine for one moment they’d be inflating that figure, far more likely to be severely underreporting it.

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