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1 hour ago, buctootim said:

Exactly. Apart from being the right thing to do it is also a legal requirement. Given the NHS has c550 million patients each year and 1.3 million employees one diversity manager per 660,000 patients and 1,600 employees seems pretty sparse.   

I'm intrigued to understand what issues they're supposed to actually manage.  The NHS will take anyone capable of taking the job, and treat anyone needing treatment. Legal requirement aside, what's the actual function of these 800 people in the NHS? 

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4 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Obviously, because I'm the one posting faux outrage over something I don't have a clue about.

Who is?

it’s odd that you’re getting so much pleasure out of the fact I posted a video where a disabled person got a fact wrong, a disabled person who you described as “a pissed up northerner”

regardless of if it’s 8,000 or 800 most sensible people seem to also share the view that in a supposedly underfunded service it’s a huge waste of money, something you seem unable to comprehend, instead wanting to pretend that everyone is else is getting angry whilst in your usual illiterate style you’re the one swearing and ranting about it all. Still you seem to consider this some sort of victory, so enjoy what is no doubt the highlight of your year so far. 

 

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58 minutes ago, whelk said:

All big organisations get carried away with lazy solutions. Diversity specialists actually antagonise people and will have forums where no one dare challenge - who is against diversity? 

I'm constantly surprised by people I manage at work not really having any clue what causes street homelessness (more to do with mental health than housing), domestic abuse (it aint mostly drunk accountants beating their wives), why so many people in need dont claim benefits etc etc. In an organisation the size of the NHS you do need someone to lead on policies and training.    


Asian guy at our place kicked up about being performance managed but he was fucking useless and thick as fuck but knew playing race card would set some alarms. 

Of course. But I've also seen people do that using pregnancy or childcare or dying relatives or sickness as an excuse. Under performers will always try and pass the blame.   
 

 

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57 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Why do you think he's disabled anyway, I can't see a wheelchair in that clip?

As per my first post, I was questioning whether he was disabled or not - because it looked like the chair he was sat in had handles, you know, like a wheelchair.  It may be, it may not be.  Ask Phil!

 

4 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Looked like he was in a wheelchair wasn't he?

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12 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

regardless of if it’s 8,000 or 800 most sensible people seem to also share the view that in a supposedly underfunded service it’s a huge waste of money,  

 

 I agree it seems like a waste of money but 800 is very different to 8000. You clearly don't have a clue what you are talking about.

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1 minute ago, Weston Super Saint said:

 

As per my first post, I was questioning whether he was disabled or not - because it looked like the chair he was sat in had handles, you know, like a wheelchair.  It may be, it may not be.  Ask Phil!

 

Looks like he's sat in front of a moped to me, there is definitely a drink on the table though.

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2 hours ago, ashnats said:

It's not just about diversity, it's inclusion too. it is not about hitting % numbers it's about ensuring the working environment is fair and inclusive for all and that staff are not taken advantage of or subject to harassment and poor line manager practices. Noone should be subject to abuse at their workplace for any reason, and no reason not to have managers responsible for reducing the abuse nhs staff may receive from patients and colleagues.

800 is tiny cf nhs workforce. Nhs has under 4 percent managers in its workforce, around 1/3 of a typical corporate environment. The idea that nhs waste on managers is a falsehood.

Also, a lot of those inclusion managers will be looking at disabled staff and patients, accessibility initiatives, making sure ramps are in place etc, pretty important for a hospital...

A bunch more will be working on social mobility, and taking down barriers around promotion bias against those from working class backgrounds.

A bunch more will be working together around fair recognition and making a case for e.g.  a fair wage for cleaners/porters etc.

The items that get people hot under the collar, trans people and ethnic minorities, are a very miniscule part of what those managers do.

Source; worked in a hospital, and the d and I team helped my team members a bunch of times to help improve the working environment in our team.

Good sensible post in amongst all of the frothing at the mouth. Why anyone takes Darren Grimes Twitter account seriously is beyond reason. There’s a warning for kids if you don’t apply yourself at your education or training, you become an uninformed dropout spewing endless bile online. A useful idiot for certain media outlets and political figures although even GB News saw through him and cancelled his show within a few weeks/months. So not even that useful and a waste of a life. 

There’s also the need to ensure that your workforce represents on the frontline the communities you serve eg Blackburn or Oldham General Hospital for example. There is the public sector duty set down by this government but also many multi-nationals have similar posts. There is a clinical element of inequality which we saw through Covid eg oxygen sensors set on a way less likely to help BME patients recover.

On salaries, if there were 800 people doing the same work on £77k then you’d need to look at the VFM but beyond the headlines it’s probably a dozen at that level in the UK’s biggest employer and mainly £30k project managers and £25k admins. 

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2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Good to read a sensible post at last. Sadly the knee jerk reactionary blowhards in our society (a few of whom post here regularly) suck up the rubbish printed by the likes of the Mail, the Sun and the feeders on Twitter and regurgitate this rubbish on social media a daily basis so that eventually this nonsense becomes “fact”.  A bigger issue than management numbers in the NHS is how many people waste time spreading disinformation on social media when they are being paid to do a job 😏

Get back in your wheelchair, pissed up old fool. 

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23 minutes ago, saint1977 said:

Good sensible post in amongst all of the frothing at the mouth. Why anyone takes Darren Grimes Twitter account seriously is beyond reason. There’s a warning for kids if you don’t apply yourself at your education or training, you become an uninformed dropout spewing endless bile online. A useful idiot for certain media outlets and political figures although even GB News saw through him and cancelled his show within a few weeks/months. So not even that useful and a waste of a life. 

There’s also the need to ensure that your workforce represents on the frontline the communities you serve eg Blackburn or Oldham General Hospital for example. There is the public sector duty set down by this government but also many multi-nationals have similar posts. There is a clinical element of inequality which we saw through Covid eg oxygen sensors set on a way less likely to help BME patients recover.

On salaries, if there were 800 people doing the same work on £77k then you’d need to look at the VFM but beyond the headlines it’s probably a dozen at that level in the UK’s biggest employer and mainly £30k project managers and £25k admins. 

Correct, another sensible post from person who actually knows what they are talking about👏

but its as shame that the usual forum bullies are on again but this has become the norm when a particular poster make an appearance, surprising it is allowed to happen so often tbh

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1 hour ago, aintforever said:

 I agree it seems like a waste of money but 800 is very different to 8000. You clearly don't have a clue what you are talking about.

I didn't say i did. I simply linked a video where someone else said it, then when someone on here said it was 800 i said 800 or 8000 still a waste of money.. It's you that's been punching the air in delight at it all morning and it turns out if you'd be able to read and comprehend what was said rather than hysterically trying to point out i'd got something wrong that you actually agree with me. Frigging hilarious :lol: :lol: 

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On 09/01/2023 at 12:20, aintforever said:

 Only to those who deserve it.

8000 :lol:

 

What makes this particularly funny is that you can imagine him being one of the first to take the piss out of Diane Abbott when she got her figures wrong.

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6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

What makes this particularly funny is that you can imagine him being one of the first to take the piss out of Dianne Abbott when she got her figures wrong.

What has that got to do with a disabled bloke in sheffield making a mistake when giving an interview?
 

We know you dont like minorities groups but seriously soggy, leave the poor guy alone

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2 hours ago, buctootim said:

 

I know having someone to lead on policies makes sense but reality can be different and by giving a person a role can be seen as ‘look we are doing good progressive stuff’ but isn’t actually making the difference.  A while back I was aware of a disabilities network in a big organisation in place to make sure people who had a disability were heard and catered for within the organisation. However reality was you got someone who was a bit power hungry leading it and consequently many neuro-diverse people wouldn't want anything to do with it as wasn’t serving them. I know just one example but i think is a danger when you badge something and think job done.

On race interesting that disproportionate amount Asians, short-listed for interview, would fail at interview to secure the offer (info my HR dept gave me albeit years ago). Reasoning was that many interviews were very western style and sales type performance was expected to meet criteria and some demographics were less likely to perform highly in. Sort of thing useful to educate recruiting managers in but probably best to come from HR etc. rather than leaving to Diversity manager. Aware I have strayed a bit but some things shoudl be incorporated in departments rather than a specific branch ie Diversity in my opinion.

 

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1 hour ago, whelk said:

I know having someone to lead on policies makes sense but reality can be different and by giving a person a role can be seen as ‘look we are doing good progressive stuff’ but isn’t actually making the difference.  A while back I was aware of a disabilities network in a big organisation in place to make sure people who had a disability were heard and catered for within the organisation. However reality was you got someone who was a bit power hungry leading it and consequently many neuro-diverse people wouldn't want anything to do with it as wasn’t serving them. I know just one example but i think is a danger when you badge something and think job done.

On race interesting that disproportionate amount Asians, short-listed for interview, would fail at interview to secure the offer (info my HR dept gave me albeit years ago). Reasoning was that many interviews were very western style and sales type performance was expected to meet criteria and some demographics were less likely to perform highly in. Sort of thing useful to educate recruiting managers in but probably best to come from HR etc. rather than leaving to Diversity manager. Aware I have strayed a bit but some things shoudl be incorporated in departments rather than a specific branch ie Diversity in my opinion.

 

Agree that diversity and inclusion needs full reflection and incorporation to business objectives, mission and delivery/targets. Otherwise it’s just CSR by another name. You can also have well-meaning staff networks which are OK to start with but unless they have a direct route to policy-makers and front line ops the influence is very limited. The justification for keeping diversity specialism in a small central unit might be that it can be impartial but also challenge organisational leaderships to reform and modernise ways of working and systems to increase profitability for new customer groups or service delivery in the public sector. HR functions rarely challenge leaderships in that way. You could have the EDI element as a % of a leadership roles aligned to different parts of a business to help build it in better.

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On 09/01/2023 at 15:11, trousers said:

*Diane

Thank you for pointing out my typo (not quite in the same league as kicking off on social media about the NHS employing 8000 diversity managers though is it? 😉)

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19 hours ago, Turkish said:

The ITV program Tonight is pretty damning about the government attitude towards the NHS, one doctor saying they are willfuly watching it collapse. 

So were all the Doctors and Nurses in the audience on BBC Question Time last night.

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10 hours ago, Plastic said:

Scotland, but - Christ.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23246149.ukrainian-refugee-went-home-see-doctor-scottish-wait-long/

I’m not convinced to be honest. The Ukrainians and Russians I know all go home for medical treatment I don’t believe it’s a function of wait times. I think they just feel comfortable with well trained doctors who speak their language and the prices are reasonable.

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These bastards have blood on their hands regarding how they have totally fucked up the probation service. 
Poor Zara Aleena killed by a total evil cunt who should never have been on the streets. Absolutely linked to the privatisation farce the party ‘tough on crime’ implemented.  Sure the apologies will ease the grief

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22 hours ago, whelk said:

These bastards have blood on their hands regarding how they have totally fucked up the probation service. 
Poor Zara Aleena killed by a total evil cunt who should never have been on the streets. Absolutely linked to the privatisation farce the party ‘tough on crime’ implemented.  Sure the apologies will ease the grief

Chris Failing Grayling's finest hour.

Apart from the ferry company with no ships.

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Sir Rod Stewart phoning into Sky News to say the Tories time is up. And he’s always supported them over the years. 

JRM to have own show on GB News, it might last longer than Darren Grimes’s did. Mind you, variety of opinion on there my arse and independent channel ha! 

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9 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I thought JRM would start turning up in the period dramas that BBC Radio 4 is so fond of. Each appearance would be further back, as he searched for a time where his views wouldn't seem backward and out of touch. In the end we'd not be sure if he had ever really existed at all.

Surely if he was travelling backwards in time it would be to find a period where his clothes were fashionable ?

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I don't think the voters need to know where he managed to borrow £30m unsecured from, or how much tax he tried to dodge.

Corruption and fraud is a very personal thing, it's just a matter for him and his very warm horses.

I'm sure the lender asked nothing in return so the voters don't need detail, the independent investigation by the party donor they have selected should clear it all up.

 

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I see the latest initiative is to ask those retired back into the work place.

Why would anyone who is retired go back to work to be told their views are problematic and require re-education from some costume jewellry wearing HR harridan, so they can pay a load of tax for the Government to spunk on some knife wielding loonies from Afghanistan?

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6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I see the latest initiative is to ask those retired back into the work place.

Why would anyone who is retired go back to work to be told their views are problematic and require re-education from some costume jewellry wearing HR harridan, so they can pay a load of tax for the Government to spunk on some knife wielding loonies from Afghanistan?

A well argued, perfectly balanced, moderate viewpoint.

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10 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I see the latest initiative is to ask those retired back into the work place.

Why would anyone who is retired go back to work to be told their views are problematic and require re-education from some costume jewellry wearing HR harridan, so they can pay a load of tax for the Government to spunk on some knife wielding loonies from Afghanistan?

You do know real life is different to your Twitter feed?

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13 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I see the latest initiative is to ask those retired back into the work place.

Why would anyone who is retired go back to work to be told their views are problematic and require re-education from some costume jewellry wearing HR harridan, so they can pay a load of tax for the Government to spunk on some knife wielding loonies from Afghanistan?

Fucking hell, does that mean Soggy back to the Guardian?

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14 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I see the latest initiative is to ask those retired back into the work place.

Why would anyone who is retired go back to work to be told their views are problematic and require re-education from some costume jewellry wearing HR harridan, so they can pay a load of tax for the Government to spunk on some knife wielding loonies from Afghanistan?

Classic Delldays/Batman post. You have to admire his staying power and consistency.

I guess that means that Duckie will be returning to his job as Nigel Farage’s personal fluffer.

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10 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Classic Delldays/Batman post. You have to admire his staying power and consistency.

I guess that means that Duckie will be returning to his job as Nigel Farage’s personal fluffer.

Are you going back to prosecuting knife crime? Or was it domestic violence, rape, sexual assault.

oh that’s right it was none of them was it that was all bullshit in your Walter Mitty past

im sure there is a job as head of filing somewhere you can take up. Word of warning though it’s all on computers these days, you can’t spend all day putting paper in files gossiping about your colleagues 

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29 minutes ago, SotonianWill said:

I’m unsure of potential exaggerations in some of those bullet points, but if true that is disgraceful. 

As said in the Russia thread.  Any threat we could offer Russia ourselves would be very much blunted over a bad weekend.

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