Wade Garrett Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 At least we won’t have to worry about him next week… It’s inevitable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 2 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said: At least we won’t have to worry about him next week… It’s inevitable. I wouldn't say its inevitable next week but it will happen over the next few weeks for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: I wouldn't say its inevitable next week but it will happen over the next few weeks for sure. Oh I dunno. Ankersen has the air - to me - of someone who thinks his brilliance lies in being an amazing outlier who thinks differently to everyone else, and that this will only fire that enthusiasm and self love, his belief in the stats and his own way of fighting against the odds a la Brentford. So that he may well stick with the wurzel one even if we get smashed 3-0. I'm preparing myself for that eventuality as it's clearly madness to believe that he will do the right and obvious thing as he rubs himself further in front of Moneyball reruns. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhitey Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 I listened to the Press Conference and noted the comments above about it all being about him, being self centred etc etc but to be fair the questions were mainly all about him, his reaction to last week and so on. It is impossible to defend the Premier League record since he arrived, but lets say he promotes his "style" of football be that direct, fast transition or long ball and gets three wins in a row or even enough wins between now and the end of the season to keep us up, who on here will still be berating him and his style ? Is it really about systems and style or is it just about points ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinR Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, redandwhitey said: I listened to the Press Conference and noted the comments above about it all being about him, being self centred etc etc but to be fair the questions were mainly all about him, his reaction to last week and so on. It is impossible to defend the Premier League record since he arrived, but lets say he promotes his "style" of football be that direct, fast transition or long ball and gets three wins in a row or even enough wins between now and the end of the season to keep us up, who on here will still be berating him and his style ? Is it really about systems and style or is it just about points ? Good points. But for me, essentially, we forgive alot when we win. If we lose then these things (poor football, poor PR) are not forgiven, they are blamed. Edited 10 February, 2023 by JustinR Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 2 minutes ago, JustinR said: Good points. But for me, essentially, we forgive alot when we win. If we lose then these things (poor football, poor PR) are not forgiven, they are blamed. Really? You're rewriting history there. When Ralph tried to play high press, high energy football he got blamed for having no plan B, the players being knackered after 45 minutes and being too open. When he tried something different it was boring sideways football too slow. When Puel was losing it was because he was boring and too negative Pochetino had no plan b and couldn't win a game if we concede first Pellegrino, Hughes, Jones when we won it's inspite of them when we lost it's because of them The only one in recent history are Koeman, although a lot of fans started getting on his back when we had a bad run christmas 2016 time, boring shite, Pelle is useless etc etc 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coalman Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 3 minutes ago, Turkish said: When Ralph tried to play high press, high energy football he got blamed for having no plan B, the players being knackered after 45 minutes and being too open. When he tried something different it was boring sideways football too slow. I feel quite nostalgic for the days when we had a Plan A. 3 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 32 minutes ago, Turkish said: Really? You're rewriting history there. When Ralph tried to play high press, high energy football he got blamed for having no plan B, the players being knackered after 45 minutes and being too open. When he tried something different it was boring sideways football too slow. When Puel was losing it was because he was boring and too negative Pochetino had no plan b and couldn't win a game if we concede first Pellegrino, Hughes, Jones when we won it's inspite of them when we lost it's because of them The only one in recent history are Koeman, although a lot of fans started getting on his back when we had a bad run christmas 2016 time, boring shite, Pelle is useless etc etc so are you saying the fans expect more than we should do, I think that would be a fair assessment 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 52 minutes ago, redandwhitey said: I listened to the Press Conference and noted the comments above about it all being about him, being self centred etc etc but to be fair the questions were mainly all about him, his reaction to last week and so on. It is impossible to defend the Premier League record since he arrived, but lets say he promotes his "style" of football be that direct, fast transition or long ball and gets three wins in a row or even enough wins between now and the end of the season to keep us up, who on here will still be berating him and his style ? Is it really about systems and style or is it just about points ? When you're up against it, it's just about points. When you have enough points it becomes about style. Puel illustrates this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 1 hour ago, coalman said: If we nail our front foot down we're going to get even worse at defending crosses. But might sort out our "positioning* weaknesses.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 1 hour ago, Golac's Cunning Stunts said: Leaving Nathan out of it for now. It's hard supporting a team where half of them don't appear to care too much about playing for the shirt. Hope that is going to change. As it stands, we have every right to be moaning especially on a Mong board as Turkish used to call it And it still is. Sadly a few snowflakes took umbridge to it even though I showed them they were wrong and the definition of mong is a stupid person, those happy to offended types that litter these sort of places desperately showing how virtuous they are 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 4 minutes ago, Turkish said: And it still is. Sadly a few snowflakes took umbridge to it even though I showed them they were wrong and the definition of mong is a stupid person, those happy to offended types that litter these sort of places desperately showing how virtuous they are Wasn't it jizz mopping mong at some point or am I misremembering? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 1 minute ago, hypochondriac said: Wasn't it jizz mopping mong at some point or am I misremembering? What you do in your own time is your business 😲 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 (edited) One of the more dubious decisions that was made, was to clear out the long established back room staff. People like Kelvin Davis were proper loyalists who helped to give the club a heart beat and a culture. When the pressure is on it is these guys that circle the wagons and make the club feel worth fighting for. These guys provide the continuity when managers or even owners come and go. Edited 10 February, 2023 by Sergei Gotsmanov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 1 minute ago, Sergei Gotsmanov said: One of the more dubious decisions that was made, was to clear out the long established back room staff. People like Kelvin Davis were proper loyalists who helped to give the club a heart beat and a culture. When the pressure is on it is these guys that circle the wagons and make the club feel worth fighting for. These guys provide the continuity when managers or even owners come and go. Heart beat and culture is one thing. Not winning games due to shit coaches is another entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imadirtyurchin Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 (edited) I for one am looking forward to a convincing win this weekend. Full of aggression and front-footedness. A clean sheet, impeccable football and impressive tactics. You said you’d deliver Nathan. With the greatest of respect, now’s the time. Edited 10 February, 2023 by imadirtyurchin Grammar 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 3 minutes ago, Sergei Gotsmanov said: One of the more dubious decisions that was made, was to clear out the long established back room staff. People like Kelvin Davis were proper loyalists who helped to give the club a heart beat and a culture. When the pressure is on it is these guys that circle the wagons and make the club feel worth fighting for. These guys provide the continuity when managers or even owners come and go. I never really saw what credentials Davis and even Fleming had to be coaches at PL level. Davis was an excellent club servant and undoubtably a great voice around the place, which is being missed, but his job was to coach the players not be the 'voice'. If there was another role he could have done I'd have been happy for him to stay on, but as a PL First Team coach I was never sure what he brought to the party. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Saint Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 1 minute ago, Colin Saint said: Did he actually say that? I've seen that thrown around and I'm assuming it's just a parody of him, he can't have actually said that...could he? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 18 minutes ago, Turkish said: And it still is. Sadly a few snowflakes took umbridge to it even though I showed them they were wrong and the definition of mong is a stupid person, those happy to offended types that litter these sort of places desperately showing how virtuous they are Probably umbrage. But you can't be perfect and NJ is a long way off that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 2 minutes ago, Colin Saint said: To be fair, I've been to Merthyr plenty of times and seen the 'Welsh women'. Can't begrudge Nathan a fucking lucky escape there!! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 14 hours ago, StrangelyBrown said: Did he really say he was the "fittest human being in history"??? If so that is some claim.... Bill Shankly reckoned he was going to be the “fittest bloke that ever died”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaturdayGirl Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 The club must have a plan for 5pm Saturday , I wonder who they have been talking to in the last few days to run the club to the end of the season ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdmickey3 Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 1 minute ago, SaturdayGirl said: The club must have a plan for 5pm Saturday , I wonder who they have been talking to in the last few days to run the club to the end of the season ? Rasmus will step in , he`s done his research about all the stats, tactics and everything, he`s thinking "how hard can it be" ..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 (edited) Not sure where to post this. Nothing new but good to see it all in one place:- Edited 10 February, 2023 by miserableoldgit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 38 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Wasn't it jizz mopping mong at some point or am I misremembering? If I remember rightly that as what @Patrick Bateman called Minty. In the glory days of the forum when all the good posters who don’t bother anymore and you can see why were here 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Cunning Stunts Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 22 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: Did he actually say that? I've seen that thrown around and I'm assuming it's just a parody of him, he can't have actually said that...could he? Yes he said it in the presser. Those exact words. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 11 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said: There will be a team of fans with pitchforks who will be hunting this guy down. lol Interesting, obviously a very cut down version of the clubs fortune Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 Just now, Turkish said: If I remember rightly that as what @Patrick Bateman called Minty. In the glory days of the forum when all the good posters who don’t bother anymore and you can see why were here Im still here.....ohhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 2 hours ago, redandwhitey said: I listened to the Press Conference and noted the comments above about it all being about him, being self centred etc etc but to be fair the questions were mainly all about him, his reaction to last week and so on. It is impossible to defend the Premier League record since he arrived, but lets say he promotes his "style" of football be that direct, fast transition or long ball and gets three wins in a row or even enough wins between now and the end of the season to keep us up, who on here will still be berating him and his style ? Is it really about systems and style or is it just about points ? Surely you haven't swallowed all that bullish!t about him not having had the freedom to express his own style of play. We've seen all he has to offer, if you are hoping for a transformative style of play tomorrow that will sweep aside Wolves and other relegation candidates then I fear you are in for a massive disappointment. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 19 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: Surely you haven't swallowed all that bullish!t about him not having had the freedom to express his own style of play. We've seen all he has to offer, if you are hoping for a transformative style of play tomorrow that will sweep aside Wolves and other relegation candidates then I fear you are in for a massive disappointment. Agree with this. He's not hiding anything that will be unleashed tomorrow. He's consistently losing football matches....if he had something up his sleeve to turn things around we'd have seen it by now. Don't be taken in by the smoke and mirrors. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 26 minutes ago, saintant said: Agree with this. He's not hiding anything that will be unleashed tomorrow. He's consistently losing football matches....if he had something up his sleeve to turn things around we'd have seen it by now. Don't be taken in by the smoke and mirrors. That is fair, I still go back to the case that he has until now, the same failing squad that were dire for the past year. It is quite amazing how we didnt go down last season! Personally we would take a jammywin, bad VAR decision or a massive fluke to get us on track a little. I sense there are a few fans who want to see us tonked so that they can hope NJ is sacked. I cant see that will happen, but if the team sheet comes out like last weeks then he is really in trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 2 minutes ago, OldNick said: That is fair, I still go back to the case that he has until now, the same failing squad that were dire for the past year. This! Absolutely this! Well, definitely this, apart from the £120million or so spent on new players since the summer. Other than that, this! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: This! Absolutely this! Well, definitely this, apart from the £120million or so spent on new players since the summer. Other than that, this! Lol, nice one. Have you morphed into CB Fry or are you him, very much his style of work I did mean season but you have pinned me lol Edited 10 February, 2023 by OldNick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, miserableoldgit said: Not sure where to post this. Nothing new but good to see it all in one place:- Good video, a bit of a mistake at the end though. He referenced the takeover by SR and stated the 'lack of investment would continue with SR' - completely unfounded that one, we've spent more than ever. I agree with the final sentiment though, where we are is not just because of 'this season', it's many failings coming to the fore from previous years. 'if' we had better experienced players and not Armstrong/Adams/Perraud/Ely/Moussa/Bednarek/Diallo etc then they would better complement the obvious young talent we have. But we're a bit hamstrung by the shit left behind on big wages, which is holding everyone back. I don't think our summer signings were bad, we've seen with Lava and ABK that we've unearthed some gems there. Mara and Edozie are too young to judge. Too much faith was put onto the 'experience' we already had here though. Jones still doesn't make any sense though. I reckon a decent manager would still find this an attractive project to get stuck into. Edited 10 February, 2023 by S-Clarke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 2 hours ago, S-Clarke said: I never really saw what credentials Davis and even Fleming had to be coaches at PL level. Davis was an excellent club servant and undoubtably a great voice around the place, which is being missed, but his job was to coach the players not be the 'voice'. If there was another role he could have done I'd have been happy for him to stay on, but as a PL First Team coach I was never sure what he brought to the party. I see the main role of back room coaches as to build team cohesion, spirit and to be a go between the players and the manager. Of course there has to be a level of coaching competence but I have never really seen evidence of a number two having any revolutionary impact on the team with their coaching they just seem to put the cones out and give encouragement. I am probably naive of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 2 hours ago, Turkish said: If I remember rightly that as what @Patrick Bateman called Minty. In the glory days of the forum when all the good posters who don’t bother anymore and you can see why were here Ah the good old days. Network54 and all that! Prick on a stick. B-anter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 1 hour ago, S-Clarke said: Good video, a bit of a mistake at the end though. He referenced the takeover by SR and stated the 'lack of investment would continue with SR' - completely unfounded that one, we've spent more than ever. I agree with the final sentiment though, where we are is not just because of 'this season', it's many failings coming to the fore from previous years. 'if' we had better experienced players and not Armstrong/Adams/Perraud/Ely/Moussa/Bednarek/Diallo etc then they would better complement the obvious young talent we have. But we're a bit hamstrung by the shit left behind on big wages, which is holding everyone back. I don't think our summer signings were bad, we've seen with Lava and ABK that we've unearthed some gems there. Mara and Edozie are too young to judge. Too much faith was put onto the 'experience' we already had here though. Jones still doesn't make any sense though. I reckon a decent manager would still find this an attractive project to get stuck into. Agree. Good managers are always saying that they are "looking for a new challenge"..... bloody hell, this would definitely be a challenge.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 7 minutes ago, miserableoldgit said: Agree. Good managers are always saying that they are "looking for a new challenge"..... bloody hell, this would definitely be a challenge.... For next season I reckon it could be seen as quite an exciting challenge, so potentially we could attract someone who you'd see as a higher manager (similar to when Wolves got Nuno) There will be lots of money to re-invest in the team with the sales of our big players, who will still attract big bids irrespective of our position. We'll keep a young core, I'm sure, then it's up to whoever fancies the project to mould an exciting team for that level and beyond. This won't be like the last time we went down and could only afford 90k on Ricardo Fuller, we should have the tools financially to dominate that league IF we get the managerial appointment right. If we get that right, recruit right and have a fun season then the momentum could lead to us developing in the same way Fulham, Brentford and Brighton have. I'm taking the viewpoint that this is a step back in order to take a big step forward long-term. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 No bust up? https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/23312996.southampton-manager-refutes-unfounded-claim-training-ground-bust-up/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 9 minutes ago, Master Bates said: No bust up? https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/23312996.southampton-manager-refutes-unfounded-claim-training-ground-bust-up/ He's not going to come out and say, "you should have seen Duje's right hook"... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 20 minutes ago, Master Bates said: No bust up? https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/23312996.southampton-manager-refutes-unfounded-claim-training-ground-bust-up/ Second thing I think I’ve called bollocks on this week. 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint NL Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 This time tomorrow, I wonder what we'll all be thinking. I haven't looked forward to a league game like this in a long time. The football will be poor, but the story around the game is fascinating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint In Cornwall Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 23 minutes ago, Master Bates said: No bust up? Not sure how you can put that right next to your avatar. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 1 hour ago, Master Bates said: No bust up? https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/23312996.southampton-manager-refutes-unfounded-claim-training-ground-bust-up/ Never believe a rumour until it’s denied. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 1 hour ago, Saint Garrett said: He's not going to come out and say, "you should have seen Duje's right hook"... Let say there was a bust up, if it was 10 players as is the rumour then that means either all 10 were going for Jones or there is a big division in the camp im not sure which is worse 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarehamSaintJames Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 1 hour ago, Turkish said: Let say there was a bust up, if it was 10 players as is the rumour then that means either all 10 were going for Jones or there is a big division in the camp im not sure which is worse 🤔 Someone posted on here last week there was huge division within the team. Again, I doubt there is. That said if it’s against AMN then no issues, fraud of a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 2 hours ago, Saint NL said: This time tomorrow, I wonder what we'll all be thinking. I haven't looked forward to a league game like this in a long time. The football will be poor, but the story around the game is fascinating. We'll be thinking Jones finally did it his way and we still lost - over to you Rasmus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 31 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said: Someone posted on here last week there was huge division within the team. Again, I doubt there is. That said if it’s against AMN then no issues, fraud of a player. Why do you doubt there is? They don’t exactly play like a tight bunch of lads do they Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 10 February, 2023 Share Posted 10 February, 2023 Not only is he one of the best managers in Europe he’s also the fittest man who ever lived. What a guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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