Russell Martin

[Chez]

2 hours ago, Midfield_General said:

No way are they paying the compo for Rohl. They’ll get a free agent or stick with RVN. They’re skint. 

I get the feeling the compo amounts are greatly exaggerated, but if you are skint any amount is problematic.

Can managers buy themselves out of a contract like players can?

[Gloucester Saint]

Rangers and Martin seem increasingly likely, Ancelotti Jr is off elsewhere I get the sense. New owners and investment and his style would work well for a dominant team in that league and in Europe. Would help Saints by him being off the payroll, and he might tempted to come in for Smallbone, maybe Bazunu. In turn, that would secure their places in the RoI squad better than staying at Saints as I don’t see them as Still players. Downes is too pricey for the SPL and Captain Jack only operates in the south/SW.

[coalman]

12 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Rangers and Martin seem increasingly likely, Ancelotti Jr is off elsewhere I get the sense. New owners and investment and his style would work well for a dominant team in that league and in Europe. Would help Saints by him being off the payroll, and he might tempted to come in for Smallbone, maybe Bazunu. In turn, that would secure their places in the RoI squad better than staying at Saints as I don’t see them as Still players. Downes is too pricey for the SPL and Captain Jack only operates in the south/SW.

The takeover should be done this week so I guess we'll find out.

[skintsaint]

33 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

and he might tempted to come in for Smallbone, maybe Bazunu. In turn, that would secure their places in the RoI squad

I don't think there are too many ROI players who have turned out for Rangers. 

[hypochondriac]

37 minutes ago, Chez said:

I get the feeling the compo amounts are greatly exaggerated, but if you are skint any amount is problematic.

Can managers buy themselves out of a contract like players can?

According to their forum they are in a better financial situation than the last few years because one of their loss making years now comes off so they can make a bigger loss if required. 

[The Kraken]

Just now, skintsaint said:

I don't think there are too many ROI players who have turned out for Rangers. 

Blimey, I looked it up, hardly any (according to transfermarket only six in history, another site says seven). And according to wiki, none that won a full cap for the national side.

[Matthew Le God]

2 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Blimey, I looked it up, hardly any (according to transfermarket only six in history, another site says seven). And according to wiki, none that won a full cap for the national side.

Not much of a surprise as a lot will be Catholic. Not a popular thing to be at Ibrox.

Edited May 30 by Matthew Le God

[Gloucester Saint]

7 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

I don't think there are too many ROI players who have turned out for Rangers. 

Bazunu is less likely then as he’s actually from Dublin, but Smallbone is from Basingstoke IIRC. Jon Daly got abuse from Celtic fans when he played for Rangers. Celtic is far more likely for RoI players but Mo Johnstone was the groundbreaker as a Catholic at Rangers.

Edited May 30 by Gloucester Saint

[The Kraken]

Just now, Matthew Le God said:

Not much of a surprise as a lot will be Catholic. 

You don’t say.

[The Kraken]

1 minute ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Bazunu is less likely then as he’s actually from Dublin, but Smallbone is from Basingstoke IIRC. Jon Daly got abuse from Celtic fans when he played for Rangers. Celtic is far more likely for RoI players but Mo Johnstone was the groundbreaker as a Catholic. 

Yeah remember that well, proper front page news at the time. Didnt think the numbers would be quite as low as they are though.

[Midfield_General]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

I get the feeling the compo amounts are greatly exaggerated, but if you are skint any amount is problematic.

Can managers buy themselves out of a contract like players can?

I think managers just have to resign if they’re genuinely desperate to leave.

Can’t remember the last time a manager resigned though (health reasons notwithstanding) because of the amount of money they miss out on. Keegan for England springs to mind. Klopp? 

Edited May 30 by Midfield_General

[Colinjb]

2 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

I think managers just have to resign if they’re genuinely desperate to leave.

Can’t remember the last time a manager resigned though because of the amount of money they miss out on. Keegan for England springs to mind. Klopp? 

Remember being extremely grateful to the Scottish FA for this very reason.

[Midfield_General]

1 minute ago, Colinjb said:

Remember being extremely grateful to the Scottish FA for this very reason.

Yep, that was an absolute result at the time. Can imagine the high fives all round the St Mary’s boardroom when that call came in  

[Badger]

20 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Yeah remember that well, proper front page news at the time. Didnt think the numbers would be quite as low as they are though.

Rangers have had several Spanish, Italian, French and South American players since, managers even, most likely Catholic.

ROI and Scots RCs more sensitive there though. 

They’re now talking to Ancellotti jnr. Without prying into his private life I doubt he’s had a Calvinist, or Scots Presbyterian upbringing. 
 

Welsh Chapels, and Methodists seem to escaped their attention.,Perhaps Nathan could be their man. 

[Willo of Whiteley]

It would be marginally satisfying to see Danny Rohl in the Sheffield Wednesday dugout at the first game of the season. 🤣

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Chez said:

I get the feeling the compo amounts are greatly exaggerated, but if you are skint any amount is problematic.

Can managers buy themselves out of a contract like players can?

Levy made Poch pay Saints pay the compensation on the rest of his contract with us IIRC to join Spurs. Worth it on his earnings since.

[Dusic]

Pretty sure RM didnt have a great time at Rangers, so not sure its the obvious move some suggest. Leicester far more likely IMO.

[revolution saint]

1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

Not much of a surprise as a lot will be Catholic. Not a popular thing to be at Ibrox.

No way? Really?  I never knew that 

[AlexLaw76]

10 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Not much of a surprise as a lot will be Catholic. Not a popular thing to be at Ibrox.

Wait… what?!?!?

[Lord Duckhunter]

Lego was like Glen Hoddle, without the talent.
 

Jones spent the weekend after getting sacked playing for his mate’s amateur team, Lego probably spent it sat out side a Brighton hip coffee shop, dinning on smashed avocado, Quinoa and chick peas salad washed down with a Vegan Chai Latte. 
 

Don’t think Glasgow is for him. I can’t see his walking football going down well. Mincing around at the back in an Old Firm derby won’t go down very well, and I dread to think what a fried Clif white chocolate macadamia nut bar, tastes like….

Edited May 31 by Lord Duckhunter

[M271]

26 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Lego was like Glen Hoddle, without the talent.
 

Jones spent the weekend after getting sacked playing for his mate’s amateur team, Lego probably spent it sat out side a Brighton hip coffee shop, dinning on smashed avocado, Quinoa and chick peas salad washed down with a Vegan Chai Latte. 
 

Don’t think Glasgow is for him. I can’t see his walking football going down well. Mincing around at the back in an Old Firm derby won’t go down very well, and I dread to think what a fried Clif white chocolate macadamia nut bar, tastes like….

Yeah I can’t see his style of football suiting Rangers. When ever I have watched their games, mostly Old Firm derbies, they have been high energy attacking play, bombing forward at speed.

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

What is Glasgow Saint's opinion on all this?

[warsash saint]

3 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Lego was like Glen Hoddle, without the talent.
 

Jones spent the weekend after getting sacked playing for his mate’s amateur team, Lego probably spent it sat out side a Brighton hip coffee shop, dinning on smashed avocado, Quinoa and chick peas salad washed down with a Vegan Chai Latte. 
 

Don’t think Glasgow is for him. I can’t see his walking football going down well. Mincing around at the back in an Old Firm derby won’t go down very well, and I dread to think what a fried Clif white chocolate macadamia nut bar, tastes like….

You need to let it go fella!

[Holmes_and_Watson]

6 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

 Lego probably spent it sat out side a Brighton hip coffee shop, dinning on smashed avocado, Quinoa and chick peas salad washed down with a Vegan Chai Latte. 

 

3 hours ago, warsash saint said:

You need to let it go fella!

 

It's hard to let go of a manager who had that common touch, and shared so many of the things the everyday bloke does ...(pauses to apply beard oil)

 

6 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Don’t think Glasgow is for him. I can’t see his walking football going down well. Mincing around at the back in an Old Firm derby won’t go down very well, and I dread to think what a fried Clif white chocolate macadamia nut bar, tastes like….

For a manager who would rather sometimes lose and play to his philosophy to go to a club where every game is seen as a win or bust, is not a good fit.

They've had a fallow period using what resources they had. However, the new takeover will have already raised expectations. Even the new owners have said that their aim is to win trophies and do well in Europe...while being sustainable. Massive expectations, uncertain budget. Good luck with that.

Martin will be facing a load of teams that if they've been a bit braver recently, are quite happy to sit back and defend for 90 minutes. Rangers knocking it around at the back suits them fine. Only the poorly coached will be drawn in to even trying to get it back. For them a point against Rangers is an excellent result.

And if Celtic are doing better, he's going to be under pressure anyway. Because to win the title, they are the only competition. The press are there to sell papers, not discuss transitions. They will happily stir the pot, like a shortbread version of Spanish football.

We saw how Martin's system failed to cope in the PL. Against European opposition, he could well get unstuck as a Pep-lite coach, when others have developed past it.

Like everywhere he's been, some fans will like the approach and others hate it. Unlike everywhere else, the expectation levels are relentless. He just has to win...all the time.

I can see why his controlled system is attractive to clubs. But that won't stop them dumping him sharpish, if their own goodwill gets dragged down too.

 

Edit:Beeb discussing same stuff. Martin "interviewed brilliantly." The article highlights many of their difficulties. Compare that with the new owner goals and fan expectations. Then drop Martin into the middle of it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cx2jp5xp0njo

Edited May 31 by Holmes_and_Watson

[Lord Duckhunter]

He interviewed brilliantly and, says a source, "gave the board an awful lot to think about".
 

I wonder who the source is….😂😂😂 I know who my money is on….

 

 

[East Kent Saint]

6 hours ago, Stripey McStripe Shirt said:

What is Glasgow Saint's opinion on all this?

An African perspective?

[Miltonaggro]

10 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

An African perspective?

Love and light…

[beatlesaint]

43 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He interviewed brilliantly and, says a source, "gave the board an awful lot to think about".
 

I wonder who the source is….😂😂😂 I know who my money is on….

 

 

The one thing you can’t accuse him of is not talking himself up.

I’m sure he had the Rangers board reaching for the Kleenex by the end of the interview !

[Saint86]

22 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

According to their forum they are in a better financial situation than the last few years because one of their loss making years now comes off so they can make a bigger loss if required. 

There rolling 3 year losses stand at 200M plus. I know what you're saying, but they surely can't be too flush with the cash - the limit is £83M.

[coalman]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He interviewed brilliantly and, says a source, "gave the board an awful lot to think about".
 

I wonder who the source is….😂😂😂 I know who my money is on….

 

 

Who's been quiet on here for the last few days?

[Gloucester Saint]

Martin to Rangers makes total sense - can dominate the ball in that league, fresh investment to upgrade the squad to his style, European football.

[Challenger]

25 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Martin to Rangers makes total sense - can dominate the ball in that league, fresh investment to upgrade the squad to his style, European football.

The twisted part of me would still prefer he rocks up at Leicester.

[die Mannyschaft]

Great to see Inter applying Russell Martin tactics, the style of football has gone international.  It worked for Saints we got silverware in a final!

[gurru991]

6 hours ago, Challenger said:

The twisted part of me would still prefer he rocks up at Leicester.

Leicester looking at a 12 point deduction so I don't think Martin will be too interested in the job anymore. Rangers seem more likely to sign him now.

[Football Special]

6 hours ago, gurru991 said:

Leicester looking at a 12 point deduction so I don't think Martin will be too interested in the job anymore. Rangers seem more likely to sign him now.

Even with -12 I think Martin would get you in the play offs. 

What's the latest on this points thing? Is there a hearing date? 

Based on past performance of your legal team I'd be surprised if Leicester just accept it without a lengthy appeal process , perhaps they'll try to do a deal accept all charges in return for fewer points deducted 

[saintant]

13 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Martin to Rangers makes total sense - can dominate the ball in that league, fresh investment to upgrade the squad to his style, European football.

Unless you are a Rangers fan 🙂

[beatlesaint]

34 minutes ago, saintant said:

Unless you are a Rangers fan 🙂

There was a Rangers fan on X yesterday listing all the strengths that RM teams have.........he couldnt have been more wrong if he tried 😂

[hypochondriac]

24 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

There was a Rangers fan on X yesterday listing all the strengths that RM teams have.........he couldnt have been more wrong if he tried 😂

Did it include mental strength, flexibility, entertaining football, lack of mistakes in defence, solid at the back? 

[John B]

1 hour ago, beatlesaint said:

There was a Rangers fan on X yesterday listing all the strengths that RM teams have.........he couldnt have been more wrong if he tried 😂

My mates non Saints supporters think Martin is a decent manager

[Badger]

21 minutes ago, John B said:

My mates non Saints supporters think Martin is a decent manager

There’s a world of difference between the way Martin portrays himself, and the way  media luvvies portray him, and reality.

Hopefully he’ll end up managing one of their clubs and they’ll find out 

[Fabrice29]

20 minutes ago, Badger said:

There’s a world of difference between the way Martin portrays himself, and the way  media luvvies portray him, and reality.

Hopefully he’ll end up managing one of their clubs and they’ll find out 

Or maybe he's done quite a decent job everywhere he's been as a manager? 

People have their issues with Martin and seem weirdly obsessed about talking about him consistently on here but the rewriting of history isn't needed. 

[The Kraken]

Stop being horrible to Wussel!

[Fabrice29]

14 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Stop being horrible to Wussel!

You can be as horrible as you like, I'm just pointing out that lecturing everyone on how terrible he is as a manager when he's the only manager that bought your club success in the last few years and you didn't make any real improvement in anyone from the outsides mind when he left probably makes you look a little deluded and obsessed. 

I probably wouldn't want to be seen in other threads clamouring for managers who are "proven" and "safe" and then naming a bunch who themselves have fan bases who will laugh at you either.

Edited June 1 by Fabrice29

[Dusic]

21 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

You can be as horrible as you like, I'm just pointing out that lecturing everyone on how terrible he is as a manager when he's the only manager that bought your club success in the last few years and you didn't make any real improvement in anyone from the outsides mind when he left probably makes you look a little deluded and obsessed. 

I probably wouldn't want to be seen in other threads clamouring for managers who are "proven" and "safe" and then naming a bunch who themselves have fan bases who will laugh at you either.

Yeah but lets hope we give him Will Smallbone - who scored in both league wins vs Leeds and the crucial goal in the playoff semi final and assisted our Wembley winnner in the final. Would be great if he took him with him too because he wasn't very good in the PL and missed half of it injured which means even though he was good in the Championship before and we are now there again we should get shot of him because lego head.

Edited June 1 by Dusic

[beatlesaint]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Did it include mental strength, flexibility, entertaining football, lack of mistakes in defence, solid at the back? 

It did include entertaining football and flexibility yes. 🤣

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said:

Or maybe he's done quite a decent job everywhere he's been as a manager? 

People have their issues with Martin and seem weirdly obsessed about talking about him consistently on here but the rewriting of history isn't needed. 

Er, he hasn't though? 

All of 13th in L1 for MK Dons achieving nothing and then two seasons of absolute unadulterated mediocrity at Swansea conceding hatfuls of goals in both seasons (which despite the riches we gave him he repeated that in the Championship with us).

 

Edited June 1 by CB Fry

[gurru991]

3 hours ago, Football Special said:

Even with -12 I think Martin would get you in the play offs. 

What's the latest on this points thing? Is there a hearing date? 

Based on past performance of your legal team I'd be surprised if Leicester just accept it without a lengthy appeal process , perhaps they'll try to do a deal accept all charges in return for fewer points deducted 

Personally I would rather have a twelve point deduction than Russel Martin.. I'm hoping it will be enough to deter him !!!

We are so incompetent that it's difficult to guess the next move.

[Dusic]

4 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Er, he hasn't though? 

All of 13th in L1 for MK Dons achieving nothing and then two seasons of absolute unadulterated mediocrity at Swansea conceding hatfuls of goals in both seasons (which despite the riches we gave him he repeated that in the Championship with us).

 

League positions without context are such a bad way of judging a manager. As proven also by the Will Still thread.

[CB Fry]

13 minutes ago, Dusic said:

League positions without context are such a bad way of judging a manager. As proven also by the Will Still thread.

How about the fucking shite loads of goals conceded at Swansea over two seasons?

[Weston Super Saint]

20 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Er, he hasn't though? 

All of 13th in L1 for MK Dons achieving nothing and then two seasons of absolute unadulterated mediocrity at Swansea conceding hatfuls of goals in both seasons (which despite the riches we gave him he repeated that in the Championship with us).

 

And that's without looking at his PL record.