danjosaint Posted January 5 Posted January 5 (edited) 19 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said: You what? Beautiful headed assist for their 5th yesterday. I agree but wtf was THB doing, nearly took out Suga and probably the reason he fucked his header back, very similar to when THB clattered into Wood allowing Duran to score against us. I've defended THB in the past but that was one of the worst performances of a cb I've ever seen, maybe being in a 3 they don't know who's doing what Edited January 5 by danjosaint
Harry_SFC Posted January 5 Posted January 5 (edited) 1 minute ago, danjosaint said: I agree but wtf was THB doing, nearly took out Suga and probably the reason he fucked his header back, very similar to when THB clattered into Wood allowing Duran to score against us. I've defended THB in the past but that was one of the worst performances of a cb I've ever seen, maybe being in a 3 they don't know who's doing what THB is not a premier league defender. No doubt he could be one day - at the moment he's nowhere near the required level. The fact that Bednarek is still our best centre back after these last 3-4 years is laughable. Edited January 5 by Harry_SFC 7
madge Posted January 5 Posted January 5 Everyone around me was calling for manning to be on the pitch.. shows where we are.. to be fair at least manning appears to be bothered
IFHP Posted January 5 Posted January 5 1 hour ago, beatlesaint said: Another who will look decent in the Championship no doubt I’m not so sure he will. I can’t ever remember a saints player making as many silly mistakes that led to a goal as Sugawara has. The fact he’s only made a handful of appearances is even worse. 1
HarvSFC Posted January 5 Posted January 5 Hopefully he goes back to Europe in the summer. We've had plenty of good full-backs over the years - KWP on his day, Bertrand, Shaw, Clyne, Bale, Bridge. Probably an obvious one I'm missing. He's not one of them. 1
Patrick Bateman Posted January 5 Posted January 5 4 hours ago, HarvSFC said: Hopefully he goes back to Europe in the summer. We've had plenty of good full-backs over the years - KWP on his day, Bertrand, Shaw, Clyne, Bale, Bridge. Probably an obvious one I'm missing. He's not one of them. This, he'll go to the Dutch or French league and be reasonable. Everyone will say "shouldn't have let him go" as his 20 year old cart horse replacement leaves players unmarked and heads the ball into their goal bound path ...
OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint Posted January 6 Posted January 6 15 hours ago, Lighthouse said: He's sh*te. One calamity after another. What the f**k he thought he was doing for Brentford's fifth I can't fathom. He was all over the place on Saturday. Someone needs to go through the basics with him and show him where he should be defensively. We don't mind him going forward as a wing back, but make sure you get back quickly. He was ambling like the rest of the team.
saintwbu Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Started great first couple of games but has been so poor for a few months now - but i’m still really surprised he hasn’t been the wing back of choice under Juric because I don’t see the intention with Bree out there. If you play 5 at the back you surely need the wing backs to provide the width and attacking support, Bree won’t be doing that. I also think THB is just as culpable for the header to the Brentford player on Saturday, why does he always get so close to our players with the ball - same issue for the Villa goal a few weeks back, follows the ball like a 10 year old. 2
Appy Posted January 6 Posted January 6 16 hours ago, Falkirk Saint said: Good going forward. Prone to mistakes Is he good going forward?
miserableoldgit Posted January 6 Posted January 6 34 minutes ago, saintwbu said: Started great first couple of games but has been so poor for a few months now - but i’m still really surprised he hasn’t been the wing back of choice under Juric because I don’t see the intention with Bree out there. If you play 5 at the back you surely need the wing backs to provide the width and attacking support, Bree won’t be doing that. I also think THB is just as culpable for the header to the Brentford player on Saturday, why does he always get so close to our players with the ball - same issue for the Villa goal a few weeks back, follows the ball like a 10 year old. I genuinely think that he has something about him, but I think that even Lionel Messi in his prime would struggle to look good in our current team/situation. 2
Gloucester Saint Posted March 8 Posted March 8 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Makes Olivier Bernard look like Cafu. He’s giving Steve Baker a run for his money in our worst ever top flight XI and might well have succeeded in dislodging him. Only thing he’ll succeed in all season. Edited March 8 by Gloucester Saint 1
Badger Posted March 8 Posted March 8 1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said: He’s giving Steve Baker a run for his money in our worst ever top flight XI and might well have succeeded in dislodging him. Only thing he’ll succeed in all season. I’ll raise you a ‘Lee Todd’. (or was he a left back ?) 1
Gloucester Saint Posted March 8 Posted March 8 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Badger said: I’ll raise you a ‘Lee Todd’. (or was he a left back ?) Lee Todd was a left back. Jones paid £850k for him, sold to Bradford 12 months on for £250k and only played 15 games there, after 10 for Saints. Legend at Stockport but although Dave Jones was tidy in the transfer market, not one of his better deals. Topical to today, he did play the full 90 in our 3-2 win at Anfield (David James decapitating Matt Oakley near enough for a penalty). Edited March 8 by Gloucester Saint
Chez Posted March 8 Posted March 8 only another three years left in his contract.... Perhaps he can find his feet in the championship. 1
Badger Posted March 8 Posted March 8 35 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: Lee Todd was a left back. Jones paid £850k for him, sold to Bradford 12 months on for £250k and only played 15 games there, after 10 for Saints. Legend at Stockport but although Dave Jones was tidy in the transfer market, not one of his better deals. Topical to today, he did play the full 90 in our 3-2 win at Anfield (David James decapitating Matt Oakley near enough for a penalty). Yes, you’re correct of course, he was a LB, or at least meant to be. I’ll withdraw him from the RB discussion then, and will bring him out again when we have a Larios themed ‘midget left backs’ thread 1
Badger Posted March 8 Posted March 8 8 minutes ago, Chez said: only another three years left in his contract.... Perhaps he can find his feet in the championship. I recall we had similar debates about Yoshida being a mistake a game player when he first arrived. I don’t think he made the glaring errors that Sugawara has made but was playing in a more confident team with better players. I’m not writing Sugawara off yet, may be okay -going forward anyway - next season but on showing this season it doesn’t bode well
Chez Posted March 8 Posted March 8 1 hour ago, Badger said: I recall we had similar debates about Yoshida being a mistake a game player when he first arrived. I don’t think he made the glaring errors that Sugawara has made but was playing in a more confident team with better players. I’m not writing Sugawara off yet, may be okay -going forward anyway - next season but on showing this season it doesn’t bode well His touch and passing have been very poor. no where near the level I expected from him. Defensively he's not been great either. The championship is more forgiving, so he may look OK next season, but loads of improvement needed. 1
Turkish Posted March 8 Posted March 8 (edited) The Japanese Alexi Cherednik Edited March 8 by Turkish 1
ant Posted March 8 Posted March 8 3 hours ago, Chez said: only another three years left in his contract.... Perhaps he can find his feet in the championship. Not unless you attach them to his arms. 3
Dragon_man Posted March 9 Posted March 9 4 hours ago, Chez said: only another three years left in his contract.... Perhaps he can find his feet in the championship. Perhaps even use them instead of his hands 1
Sheaf Saint Posted March 9 Posted March 9 I can't even begin to get my head round why he thought that was a good idea. You might have been able to get away with that in pre-VAR times, but there's zero chance VAR will look at that and say it was accidental. It's just guaranteed to give a goal away really. Brainless idiot. 2
Weston Super Saint Posted March 9 Posted March 9 To be fair, he makes more saves than Baz used to. 1 3
Challenger Posted March 9 Posted March 9 There must be very little football knowledge at the club to continue purchasing players of this quality. Another move on for a loss candidate. 3
Wade Garrett Posted March 9 Posted March 9 The latest unforgivable handball from him was unforgivable.
IFHP Posted March 9 Posted March 9 2 hours ago, Challenger said: There must be very little football knowledge at the club to continue purchasing players of this quality. Another move on for a loss candidate. Have to agree , we seem to keep buying duds ever since the loony tunes took us over .
S-Clarke Posted March 9 Posted March 9 (edited) You kind of want to really like Yuki as he's that sort of character, but I just cannot ignore his defending - he just can't defend full stop, there's no argument to be had. All the basics he's bad at, positioning, awareness, defensive intelligence - that can't be coached, that's either there or not. He's an awful defensive full back and that will never change. I can't think of any worse we've had than him, I'll have to go back to maybe the likes of Lloyd James at Championship level to come close. Another fail for the scouting team that's for sure. Edited March 9 by S-Clarke 5
Badger Posted March 9 Posted March 9 17 minutes ago, IFHP said: Have to agree , we seem to keep buying duds ever since the loony tunes took us over . This trend pre-dates the current owners. Elyonoussi, Hoedt, Carillo, Diallo, etc stand out in our long list of failures. Nothing new. 1
Gloucester Saint Posted March 9 Posted March 9 25 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: You kind of want to really like Yuki as he's that sort of character, but I just cannot ignore his defending - he just can't defend full stop, there's no argument to be had. All the basics he's bad at, positioning, awareness, defensive intelligence - that can't be coached, that's either there or not. He's an awful defensive full back and that will never change. I can't think of any worse we've had than him, I'll have to go back to maybe the likes of Lloyd James at Championship level to come close. Another fail for the scouting team that's for sure. Sadly I agree. Lloyd wasn’t especially quick either, whereas Yuki has a turn of pace so Jon Otsemobor is probably the comparator I’d make. Both quite lively getting forward, Yuki can also put in a lovely cross but defensively you draw the curtains as disaster looms.
Gloucester Saint Posted March 9 Posted March 9 12 hours ago, austsaint said: He could be handy again next season. Operative word being ‘handy’ 1
Badger Posted March 9 Posted March 9 Just now, Gloucester Saint said: Operative word being ‘handy’ If he can get down quickly to his left then perhaps there’s a GK in the making. 3
Badger Posted March 9 Posted March 9 One thing that appears to have gone unnoticed is how he played the ball out after his little transgression of the rules. Presumably thinking he’d got away with his arm control of the ball he then played it back into a key danger area. That for me was as ‘knobheaded’ as trying to control the ball with his arm. 3
BERMUDASAINT Posted March 26 Posted March 26 (edited) https://www.givemesport.com/fabrizio-romano-euro-giants-want-to-sign-awesome-southampton-star/ Come get some Suga suga! https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/news/64047/ Edited March 26 by BERMUDASAINT
Holmes_and_Watson Posted March 26 Posted March 26 24 minutes ago, BERMUDASAINT said: https://www.givemesport.com/fabrizio-romano-euro-giants-want-to-sign-awesome-southampton-star/ Come get some Suga suga! https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/news/64047/ It's the Napoli basketball team that want him. 3
CSA96 Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago Has told the Daily Echo after today's game that he intends to stay at Saints and prove himself to the fans by winning promotion 4
Gloucester Saint Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 13 minutes ago, CSA96 said: Has told the Daily Echo after today's game that he intends to stay at Saints and prove himself to the fans by winning promotion He has ability but Still and the coaches really need to work with him on positioning and awareness. Probably the best crosser of a football at the club having said that. Oh, and keep his hands/arms away from the ball! 2
sfc4prem Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago He'll need to do less defending so will be quite a dangerous and handy player to have in the side. 2
Saint Fan CaM Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago For me Suga is not the worst defender or indeed player in a team of misfits. Manning is worse in my opinion for a start as he’s not got the attacking delivery and is useless in defence. Suga has been playing for the most part under a system that was totally unsuitable for the squad and as such was placed into difficult defensive positions when the likes of wonder boy Dibling fucked up and gave the ball away in our half. In terms of the handballs - yes, it’s not great - but there’s a definite argument that on another day/time, it’s judged as a “ball to hand” accidental thing. There has to be a scapegoat I guess, but to my mind there’s at least 16 other first team players that fit that mould too.
Chez Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 13 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: For me Suga is not the worst defender or indeed player in a team of misfits. Manning is worse in my opinion for a start as he’s not got the attacking delivery and is useless in defence. Suga has been playing for the most part under a system that was totally unsuitable for the squad and as such was placed into difficult defensive positions when the likes of wonder boy Dibling fucked up and gave the ball away in our half. In terms of the handballs - yes, it’s not great - but there’s a definite argument that on another day/time, it’s judged as a “ball to hand” accidental thing. There has to be a scapegoat I guess, but to my mind there’s at least 16 other first team players that fit that mould too. When I assess him, and come to the conclusion that he was poor last season, I don't even factor in the handballs. His basic control of a football was appalling in the games I saw him play. Not sure he looked terribly good in either defence or attack. There was a couple of decent early crosses, in the West Ham game possibly, but other than that, there was absolutely nothing to applaud him for. Dropping down a division will give him much more time, thus his touch wont need to be top notch. Opponents wont be as good both defensively and offensively, so he may look OK in both areas. I am crossing my fingers that he finds his feet in the second season, which was often the case for overseas players coming into our league.
S-Clarke Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago Suguwara really struggled last season, I think the PL was just a bit too steep a step for him at that time. His touch was never tight enough and his position was always miles off. His lack of awareness of his surroundings really troubled me, but I think a lot of that was just down to pure blind panic. I still think he's technically capable in the right surroundings and almost certainly better than Bree in those regards, this will be a good opportunity to see him with a bit more time and space on the ball. He did offer some good deliveries in games last season, but they were few and far between as we so rarely had the ball or got up the pitch to cause a threat. In the right team with the right structure, and support around him, I think there are attributes to his game that will make us stronger at this level. 1
saintant Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago Think he was thrown in at the deep end and soon discovered he was not strong enough to swim in Premier League waters. It will have been a useful experience for him and we should see a decent player at Championship level and in a different set up.
Harry_SFC Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 24 minutes ago, saintant said: Think he was thrown in at the deep end and soon discovered he was not strong enough to swim in Premier League waters. It will have been a useful experience for him and we should see a decent player at Championship level and in a different set up. Agree. He's not great defensively but as others have mentioned hopefully he won't have to do as much next season. I wouldn't be shocked if he scored a decent amount of goals as he can clearly strike a ball. 1
Lighthouse Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago He might ‘prove himself’ to be this season’s Danny Fox but he looked nothing like a PL player.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: He might ‘prove himself’ to be this season’s Danny Fox but he looked nothing like a PL player. Outside of Fernandes and Ramsdale who did? Also his manager(s) were not up to the PL job were they? Seems a bit disingenuous judging him against such a backdrop.
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