badgerx16 Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 52 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said: On the team front, I could see something like this possibly being a good use of what we have: --- Bazunu --- - Edwards -Stephens- Quarshie- Sugawara - Charles - Downes - Wellington -- Robinson or Matsuki or Smallbone -- - Downs - Archer - Obviously the AM spot is the weak point. 29 minutes ago, saintant said: You're forgetting Stephens at CB. So Bazunu in goal is, at worst, the 3rd weakest selection?
Farmer Saint Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: I was referring to your assertion that we make players ‘suck it up’. List the times we’ve done that, because I’m struggling to remember seeing any formal proof that’s happened in the last decade and certainly not since Kat sold us out. I don't think we've been in a position where we've needed to though.
badgerx16 Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago (edited) 12 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: I haven't gone beyond MSc Where is that in relation to getting to "First base", "Second base", etc ? Edited 22 hours ago by badgerx16 1
Farmer Saint Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago (edited) 4 minutes ago, trousers said: Have you been a buffoon your entire life, or is it a recent development? (seeing as we're now lowering ourselves to insult territory ) I'm not getting into a war of words. I think the team is far better. You think the team is better, or worse, or the same. You have no opinion, but you like to criticise others. Edited 22 hours ago by Farmer Saint 3
trousers Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago (edited) 2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: You pesky nincompoop, you Edited 22 hours ago by trousers 3
Toadhall Saint Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 2 hours ago, Chez said: Will be interesting to see how Sunderland fair. They have spent about £130m according to transfermarkt, which tends to be conservative and not include add ons. Just how much does a promoted side (especially one coming u through the play offs) need to spend to have a chance. How much did forest spend a couple of years back? That plus 10%?
Saint Fan CaM Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 11 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: I don't think we've been in a position where we've needed to though. Oh OK, so it’s highly likely that we’ll not make anyone in the current squad ‘suck it up’ and play for us when they want away. Especially when the evidence shows we’re more than happy to sell our better players and weaken squad quality. 1
Farmer Saint Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Saint Fan CaM said: Oh OK, so it’s highly likely that we’ll not make anyone in the current squad ‘suck it up’ and play for us when they want away. Especially when the evidence shows we’re more than happy to sell our better players and weaken squad quality. My point was we're not loaning out Fernandes, and if we don't get offered the correct money he'll have to stay.
tdmickey3 Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: My point was we're not loaning out Fernandes, and if we don't get offered the correct money he'll have to stay. We will sell even if it’s lower than we want 1
Willo of Whiteley Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago Get the manager in early - wow well done Saints, massive tick Start building and moulding the squad so we’re ready for the start of the season - Hmmmm 🤣 2
Turkish Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said: Get the manager in early - wow well done Saints, massive tick Start building and moulding the squad so we’re ready for the start of the season - Hmmmm 🤣 We have to get rid before we can bring in it’s not hard to work out 4
jamesfp1 Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 1 minute ago, Turkish said: We have to get rid before we can bring in it’s not hard to work out Deadline day is going to be electric 10 out 6 in 1
Turkish Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 7 minutes ago, jamesfp1 said: Deadline day is going to be electric 10 out 6 in But it makes sense though you can’t just keep adding players, we’ve got 6 off the Books with another 2 going soon, brought 2 in plus the returning loan signings. We have a load of players good enough for championship but not good for the premier league. 6
OneMrsWallace Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 48 minutes ago, trousers said: Have you been a buffoon your entire life, or is it a recent development? (seeing as we're now lowering ourselves to insult territory ) Ah, insult territory. Saints Web must be on the verge of a new season @trousers 😂
Doctoroncall Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago Forest have bid for Fernandes (reported in various news outlets). Don’t know the starting bid, it wasn’t stated.
Saint_lambden Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Doctoroncall said: Forest have bid for Fernandes (reported in various news outlets). Don’t know the starting bid, it wasn’t stated. Forest, West Ham, Fulham, Porto, Galatasary, Al-Qadsiah, Juventus, Inter, Atalanta (I wonder why) and Monaco are some of those I know of who have active interest, no idea how many - if any - have bid.
Farmer Saint Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 45 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said: We will sell even if it’s lower than we want Which players have we done that with over the past few years? We've extracted some insane sums for players like Lavia, Livramento, JWP. What decent players have we sold cheap? 1
Farmer Saint Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago (edited) 43 minutes ago, Turkish said: We have to get rid before we can bring in it’s not hard to work out But as we can see by this forum, it is so fucking hard to work out. Edited 21 hours ago by Farmer Saint 1
Farmer Saint Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 21 minutes ago, Doctoroncall said: Forest have bid for Fernandes (reported in various news outlets). Don’t know the starting bid, it wasn’t stated. Unless it starts with a 4 or a 5 they can fuck off. 1
gio1saints Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 24 minutes ago, Doctoroncall said: Forest have bid for Fernandes (reported in various news outlets). Don’t know the starting bid, it wasn’t stated. Grok says it was in region if £20m and we apparently want £30m.
Harry_SFC Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 1 minute ago, gio1saints said: Grok says it was in region if £20m and we apparently want £30m. According to Alfie House a club source said something along the lines of "they wouldn't even get his hair for £30m". So I very much doubt that. 3
Cascadia Saint Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 5 minutes ago, gio1saints said: Grok says it was in region if £20m and we apparently want £30m. What a grok of shit 4
Harry_SFC Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago I can definitely see the club selling Dibling for £40m but I've got a feeling we'd want at least £50-£55m for Fernandes who is clearly already a quality player. Probably a similar sort of fee to that of Lavia. 2
CB Fry Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 15 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: Which players have we done that with over the past few years? We've extracted some insane sums for players like Lavia, Livramento, JWP. What decent players have we sold cheap? Doesn't matter what you say. People on here think we sell off everything for less than we could get. We could sell five players for £200m each tomorrow and People on here would still be whining about how we didn't get enough of a sell-on fee. 6
hypochondriac Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 1 hour ago, Ex Lion Tamer said: If we look back at 2011/12 then none of our Prem-ready players were signed for big money at the start of the promotion season. They were all smart signings for reasonable fees or academy products who we spent at least a couple of years nurturing. It's something you have to build over time - hopefully we're doing that with our latest crop Completely different climate to 2011. That's almost impossible to do now. 2
Farmer Saint Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago (edited) 18 minutes ago, CB Fry said: Doesn't matter what you say. People on here think we sell off everything for less than we could get. We could sell five players for £200m each tomorrow and People on here would still be whining about how we didn't get enough of a sell-on fee. It's ridiculous. Yes, SR have bought badly in the past and we've also had some shite managers. However, I don't remember us not getting decent money for players. Look at how much we got for Sulemana. We got £6m for Bednarek with a year left on his contract and £65k PW wage. Get rid of ABK and Aribo, and then we're in great shape financially. I won't mention PSR, I promise... Edited 20 hours ago by Farmer Saint 4
hypochondriac Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 10 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: It's ridiculous. Yes, SR have bought badly in the past and we've also had some shite managers. However, I don't remember us not getting decent money for players. Look at how much we got for Sulemana. We got £6m for Bednarek with a year left on his contract and £65k PW wage. Get rid of ABK and Aribo, and then we're in great shape financially. I won't mention PSR, I promise... The only positive of selling these good players is that we will clearly get a lot of money for them. I agree with you, it's bizarre that someone would think we wouldn't. 1
John B Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said: It's ridiculous. Yes, SR have bought badly in the past and we've also had some shite managers. However, I don't remember us not getting decent money for players. Look at how much we got for Sulemana. We got £6m for Bednarek with a year left on his contract and £65k PW wage. Get rid of ABK and Aribo, and then we're in great shape financially. I won't mention PSR, I promise... What do you mean get rid of them for players to leave they must have a decent contract to go to I get the impresssion that ABK is a knob and no one wants him Airbo apparently is on a decent contract with no other clud wanting to match it So it is not easy to get rid of some players
Farmer Saint Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 1 minute ago, hypochondriac said: The only positive of selling these good players is that we will clearly get a lot of money for them. I agree with you, it's bizarre that someone would think we wouldn't. Yep, and I would have thought we will purchase some decent replacements as well of we do.
Farmer Saint Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 1 minute ago, John B said: What do you mean get rid of them for players to leave they must have a decent contract to go to I get the impresssion that ABK is a knob and no one wants him Airbo apparently is on a decent contract with no other clud wanting to match it So it is not easy to get rid of some players Yeah, it's not easy, and it is a wishlist to get rid of them, but I also thought it would be difficult to get rid of Onuachu, Sulemana and Bednarek for a fee as well, but we did.
Harry_SFC Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago The problem is that if you price your best players out of move entirely it will put off other potential signings as they'll think "well if I go there and do really well for them then they aren't going to let me join a bigger club". 1
Chez Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 1 minute ago, Harry_SFC said: The problem is that if you price your best players out of move entirely it will put off other potential signings as they'll think "well if I go there and do really well for them then they aren't going to let me join a bigger club". Every club is going to try to get as much money as possible. No one lets a player move to a big club unless the offer is too good to turn down. Likewise no one really says no, they just say, a bit more money please. Where things come unstuck is when a player and agent thinks their value is, say, £30m, but the club sets a price of £60m. 2
23rdSaint Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago (edited) Daily Echo saying the club wants over £40M for Dibling. https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/25359675.southampton-want-40million-everton-target-tyler-dibling/?ref=rss Edited 20 hours ago by 23rdSaint Added link 8
trousers Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 8 minutes ago, 23rdSaint said: Daily Echo saying the club wants over £40M for Dibling. https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/25359675.southampton-want-40million-everton-target-tyler-dibling/?ref=rss Good 👍🏻 1
saintant Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago 21 minutes ago, 23rdSaint said: Daily Echo saying the club wants over £40M for Dibling. https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/25359675.southampton-want-40million-everton-target-tyler-dibling/?ref=rss He'll be going nowhere yet then.
Saint Scott Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago There was always going to be significant interest in Fernandes and Dibling this summer. I'm quite relaxed about it, one of the few things that SR have got right is playing hard ball with departures and getting good fees Let's just hope if we do lose our best players we reinvest well and ultimately that will prove if Spors is good enough 2
SWLondon Saint Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago Pretty much the only thing you can say SR have done well over the last few years is getting decent fees on player sales so might as well relax about this. Can't complain about what they got for Onuachu, Sulemana and Bednarek.
EBS1980 Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 5 hours ago, hypochondriac said: I'm not sure that's true at all. Arguably we did that last time and it meant the quality of the squad was much too low and we finished bottom by miles. We did both, THB and Downes were loans too good for Championship but signings like Fraser, Manning and loans of Rothwell were solid championship but not PL level
Willo of Whiteley Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago I really couldn’t care, if we keep one of Dibling or Fernandes then that’s a decent summer in the grand scheme of things
Saint_clark Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 7 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said: We have a good Championship squad, but we need those sparks that can be the difference, at the moment we don’t have any real sparks I don't disagree, but we were never going to be selling the majority of our squad. It doesn't happen.
lambtiss Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago 10 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said: I really couldn’t care, if we keep one of Dibling or Fernandes then that’s a decent summer in the grand scheme of things I don't think it's that simple. At the moment I feel we need to buy a number 1 goalkeeper, a creative midfielder and a winger who can beat players and deliver a decent cross, regardless of what happens to Dibling and Fernandes. 3
tdmickey3 Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago (edited) 4 minutes ago, lambtiss said: I don't think it's that simple. At the moment I feel we need to buy a number 1 goalkeeper, a creative midfielder and a winger who can beat players and deliver a decent cross, regardless of what happens to Dibling and Fernandes. Agreed , it would be nice to see some activity at least Edited 18 hours ago by tdmickey3 5
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago 4 hours ago, badgerx16 said: So Bazunu in goal is, at worst, the 3rd weakest selection? 1. That's a team that's got mid-table written all over it. 2. Have you seen Bazunu's pre-season performances?
Turkish Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago 36 minutes ago, Saint Scott said: There was always going to be significant interest in Fernandes and Dibling this summer. I'm quite relaxed about it, one of the few things that SR have got right is playing hard ball with departures and getting good fees Let's just hope if we do lose our best players we reinvest well and ultimately that will prove if Spors is good enough Hi Les 3
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago (edited) "We have a good Championship squad". Yeah, if you're expecting a mid-table finish. That's not a squad capable of a top 6 finish! Our squad is bang-average. It's lacking a sold rock of a midfielder. An experienced CB. A creative midfielder and a winger. I'm not conviced we'got what's needed up front either. There's a complete lack of experience across the entire squad. You need a few old wise heads who've been around a bit. I'd rather see Nathan Wood staring ahead of Stephens, but Jack seems to know where the bodies are buried and somehow that gets him in the starting 11 every week, despite him being a complete liability. Edited 18 hours ago by Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd 2 3
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago (edited) 4 hours ago, Turkish said: We have to get rid before we can bring in it’s not hard to work out We've got rid of loads! We're a week away from the start of the season and we haven't exactly set the world on fire with new signings, infact, this summer feels just like last summer in that we haven't bought what's needed, again! Edited 18 hours ago by Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd 2
Danbert Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago What a bunch of fannies, Jesus. Let's at least give the club until the end of the transfer window and the manager a decent run of games before we start wetting the bed. 12
Farmer Saint Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago 1 minute ago, Danbert said: What a bunch of fannies, Jesus. Let's at least give the club until the end of the transfer window and the manager a decent run of games before we start wetting the bed. The sea is dryer than these babies.
Turkish Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago (edited) 26 minutes ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said: We've got rid of loads! We're a week away from the start of the season and we haven't exactly set the world on fire with new signings, infact, this summer feels just like last summer in that we haven't brought what's needed, again! We actually haven’t. we’ve lost KWP, Lumley and Lallana out of contract, sold TP, Benares and Sulemana and loaned our Larios, who never played anyway that’s it. We’ve signed 2 got Armstrong, Baz, Edwards and Charles back for loan, Matsuki has moved over so we’re actually net even. I’m not counting Edozie as he’s come back but will leave soon The problem is we’re over loaded in some positions and weak in others we all know what we need and we all know we’ll probably lose another 5 or 6 before the season starts which will free up some space. But you can’t sign players before you’ve sold the ones they’re replacing Edited 18 hours ago by Turkish 4
Farmer Saint Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago 12 minutes ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said: We've got rid of loads! We're a week away from the start of the season and we haven't exactly set the world on fire with new signings, infact, this summer feels just like last summer in that we haven't brought what's needed, again! People that say "brought", instead of "bought"... Oh sorry, wrong thread again.
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