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Mboto Gorge

Mboto Gorge

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1 hour ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I think it’ll be Eckhart even if we don’t win on Saturday. A real yes-man that SR dream of.

But the continued issue of playing five at the back and shit substitutions makes me extremely uncomfortable.

 

My view is they’ll give him the rest of the season , in effect writing it off as one just to “stabilise” in this league, as they’ll use the excuse that there will be more managers available in the summer and there wasn’t an outstanding candidate at this time,

Absolutely ridiculous , but these owners are just that. Ridiculous. If it happens, that’ll be 2 consecutive seasons written off before Xmas, which illustrates just how bad the running and planning of the club has been if your season is done 1/3 of the way through. We could still get top 6 of course, but the club clearly aren’t thinking that way if they appoint this guy.

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Patrick Bateman

Patrick Bateman

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1 minute ago, aintforever said:

O’Neil would be nowhere near the top of my list but given the potentially batshit crazy style of appointment SR could make I would be reasonably happy.

My thoughts entirely - at least he has some experience and he knows the league(s) here.

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Dusic

Dusic

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Would personally rather see RM back than O'Neil.

Pompey connection would always be held against him and he is really just another of those uninspiring types who has done a pretty average job at both his clubs with fairly short tenures.

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Mboto Gorge

Mboto Gorge

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1 hour ago, Appy said:

Every team in the league should be beating Sheffield Wednesday at home, to use that game as some sort of audition is negligence. 

Negligence is their middle name. 

SaintN14

SaintN14

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The team have been vulnerable (terrible) in defence for 3.5 years. Improving this has to be the priority in the short term for the next manager. I don’t think we have the right type of fullbacks to play a back 5. There must be a combination of 2 CBs who can play well together and form a partnership in a back 4, with protection from our decent CMs in front (Charles, Romeu, Jander, Downes).  O’Neil’s recent record at Wolves was heavy on goals conceeeded (40 goals after 16 games last year), and I’m not convinced he’s the man to do this. 

I don’t think as much can be coached in the forward department. We need a number 9 that can consistently put away the chances that have been created so far this season, and for me that has to be a priority singing in January. Someone like a Sargent at Norwich (whatever the German division 2 version of that is). 

If I think about our more successful managers over the last 5 years (Ralph/Russel) we’ve had a playing style which the players (and fans) have been able to identify, understand and get behind. Ultimately winning games is what matters, but it gives you a plan/direction to fall back to. For me, Carrick would be the best at this from the names linked. 

Also there’s something around consistency in our play that’s been missing recently. I.e In games where Quarshie was playing we’d do the long throw at the beginning, then would give it up after the second/third attempt didn’t work. Not sure if laziness (or indeed if I’m missrembering) but think it comes back to having a plan/identity. 
 

UTS.

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trousers

trousers

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17 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said:

My view is they’ll give him the rest of the season , in effect writing it off as one just to “stabilise” in this league, as they’ll use the excuse that there will be more managers available in the summer and there wasn’t an outstanding candidate at this time

I'm still holding out the forlorn hope that they've lined up Koeman for a return once he's had a crack at the World Cup Finals with Netherlands next summer... 😁

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James G

James G

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52 minutes ago, carljack said:

O`Neil now 5/4 with William Hills.Someone knows something,he has probably been interviewed.

8/11 now

And it's enough to push Martins odd out, so it's fair money being put on

trousers

trousers

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5 minutes ago, James G said:

8/11 now

And it's enough to push Martins odd out, so it's fair money being put on

I've no idea myself but I'm sure others have mentioned on this sort of thing before that new manager betting markets are relatively miniscule and therefore even a few modest bets can cause significant changes in the odds? Probably one for @Matthew Le God to get his annoying little teeth into... ;) 😁

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Harry_SFC

Harry_SFC

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Ignoring the Pompey connections, O'Neil would be a bit meh if it happened. Could they appoint worse? Definitely but his track record in the Premier League is pretty poor.

I'm not that bothered about the fact he played for Pompey but a lot would be, which would make his job even harder. 

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woodsaint1

woodsaint1

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53 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Ignoring the Pompey connections, O'Neil would be a bit meh if it happened. Could they appoint worse? Definitely but his track record in the Premier League is pretty poor.

I'm not that bothered about the fact he played for Pompey but a lot would be, which would make his job even harder. 

Kept Bournemouth up with a great run to finish the 22/23 season. Also led Wolves to 14th which was decent considering the team they had. We're also a struggling Championship team right now

SR could definitely appoint worse, and probably will

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Colinjb

Colinjb

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3 minutes ago, Miltonaggro said:

Christian Titz gets my vote from that list. He has his knockers but favours two up front! 

Imagine the party should we all go Titz up!

Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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7 minutes ago, StrangelyBrown said:

That's a very random list of names. If you filter down to SRs usual requirements: someone out of work, someone most of us don't know much about, tight chinos, plays 3 at the back, young enough to be a gamble, etc. what are we left with?

Vapes like a cunt?

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skintsaint

skintsaint

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6 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I thought he was unfortunate at Man United to lose his job, they played brilliant counter attacking football

Think he did alright in Turkey too.

saintwbu

saintwbu

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32 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I thought he was unfortunate at Man United to lose his job, they played brilliant counter attacking football

Which would be absolutely no use to us in this league 

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Sir Ralph

Sir Ralph

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3 hours ago, Harry_SFC said:

Ignoring the Pompey connections, O'Neil would be a bit meh if it happened. Could they appoint worse? Definitely but his track record in the Premier League is pretty poor.

I'm not that bothered about the fact he played for Pompey but a lot would be, which would make his job even harder. 

I actually think his record is pretty good. He saved Bournemouth from relegation and only got sacked in the summer after the chairman wanted a change in dorection.

At Wolves he did really well and then got sacked after a bad start to the season but Wolves had to sell £200m of players so they had a much weakened  team. Their board must rate him as they appear to have wanted him back. Of the options available I think he is the best one.

I wonder whether his u-turn from re-joining Wolves is cause Saints have approached him

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MB

MB

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Posted on here 2 weeks ago O’Neil had held talks with the club (prior to Still being sacked)

can confirm the appointment is all but done subject to some personal terms 

 

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Saint86

Saint86

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8 hours ago, MB said:

Posted on here 2 weeks ago O’Neil had held talks with the club (prior to Still being sacked)

can confirm the appointment is all but done subject to some personal terms 

 

I am very underwhelmed if it is him, and tbh somewhat concerned for the future of the club. The task is promotion and i just don't think he's up to it - obviously I hope to be wrong.

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skintsaint

skintsaint

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18 minutes ago, MB said:

Posted on here 2 weeks ago O’Neil had held talks with the club (prior to Still being sacked)

can confirm the appointment is all but done subject to some personal terms 

 

If true, he was talking to Wolves since then - how committed is he!? 😅

woodsaint1

woodsaint1

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17 minutes ago, MB said:

Posted on here 2 weeks ago O’Neil had held talks with the club (prior to Still being sacked)

can confirm the appointment is all but done subject to some personal terms 

 

Thats a long time to resolve personal terms. If true, would definitely take O'Neil over Eckart, Carrick or Martin

MB

MB

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1 minute ago, woodsaint1 said:

Thats a long time to resolve personal terms. If true, would definitely take O'Neil over Eckart, Carrick or Martin

Believe what you want to believe I rarely post on here just sharing inside info

Pretty much everything I have shared previously has come to fruition 

Won’t bother next time ….

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Sir Ralph

Sir Ralph

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6 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

I am very underwhelmed if it is him, and tbh somewhat concerned for the future of the club. The task is promotion and injustice don't think he's up to it - obviously I hope to be wrong.

Why would you be underwhelmed by him out of interest? Initially I was but then, whilst he isn’t exactly a sexy appointment on the face of it, I think he’s actually been quite successful.

MB

MB

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4 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

If true, he was talking to Wolves since then - how committed is he!? 😅

The main reason he pulled out of the wolves talks is he preferred the proposition we were offering. Say what you like about SR, they talk a good game and have deep pockets, something wolves couldn’t match.

 

unless something goes badly wrong in the next 24 hours it’s a done deal

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Saint Fan CaM

Saint Fan CaM

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10 hours ago, DT said:

I do hope you don't mean the useless Lallana. I cannot think of one thing he has done since rejoining, and would be just the sort of person to undermine coaches in the vain hope that he might get the top job one day. Or do you mean Eckert? Or the linesman?

Eckert of course. Although the smart money appears to be going on O’Neill now.

qwertyell

qwertyell

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4 hours ago, MB said:

Posted on here 2 weeks ago O’Neil had held talks with the club (prior to Still being sacked)

can confirm the appointment is all but done subject to some personal terms 

 

Sigh. Wonder who'll be our manager after Christmas.

At least it might prove mildly entertaining watching all the people twisting on here trying to convince themselves that a negative, slow possession, philosophy first manager who plays 3 at the back and can't defend (and is also ex-Pompey) is fine now, having spent months apoplectically railing against such a thing. 

If the board really had nothing better lined up to replace Still, they may as well have given him more time and saved on the compensation.

 

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Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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I remember when he blanked Jason ‘I’m the manager as well’ Tindall to shake Howe’s hand after, I think, a Bournemouth v Newcastle game very early on in his managerial career.

Whatever anyone thinks about his preferred style of play and the fact he played for Pompey he does come under the ‘got a bit about him’ category.  He’ll sort out the player power that seems to be poisoning the dressing room, especially with Romeu in there as well.

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trousers

trousers

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How does Gary O'Neill's preferred playing style fit in with Spors' stated intention for the club to play "high intensity, full of energy, kind of football"...?

https://www.tntsports.co.uk/football/premier-league/2024-2025/tyler-dibling-jurgen-klopp-football-new-manager-search-southampton-planning-relegation-johannes-spors_sto23183150/story.shtml

 

Quizzed on whether Southampton will lean towards the archetypal models of a more possession-heavy Pep Guardiola team, or a more typical Jurgen Klopp style, Spors added: "If you take those great examples, I think it will be more the Klopp direction.
"More the high intensity, full of energy, kind of football."
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SW11_Saint

SW11_Saint

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6 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

I remember when he blanked Jason ‘I’m the manager as well’ Tindall to shake Howe’s hand after, I think, a Bournemouth v Newcastle game very early on in his managerial career.

Whatever anyone thinks about his preferred style of play and the fact he played for Pompey he does come under the ‘got a bit about him’ category.  He’ll sort out the player power that seems to be poisoning the dressing room, especially with Romeu in there as well.

Agreed. I’ve always quite liked him as a manager, and of the English managers ‘with experience’ who are around atm, he’s probably one of the better ones. 

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StrangelyBrown

StrangelyBrown

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Last thing we need is more turgid football. SR seem hellbent on making us a tedious team and removing any enjoyment from watching us. O'Neil would be the perfect continuation of this.

The trouble is that as soon as we have an iffy spell everything will get toxic very quickly again and we'll go back to square one.

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SW11_Saint

SW11_Saint

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1 minute ago, StrangelyBrown said:

Last thing we need is more turgid football. SR seem hellbent on making us a tedious team and removing any enjoyment from watching us. O'Neil would be the perfect continuation of this.

The trouble is that as soon as we have an iffy spell everything will get toxic very quickly again and we'll go back to square one.

Conversely, if you’re winning games fans won’t mind a bit of ‘keep ball’ as we saw with Martin… 

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Willo of Whiteley

Willo of Whiteley

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If Gary O’Neill is appointed, which I don’t think he will be, the chanting for Sport Republic out will be monumental after a couple of games.

I don’t see him being the one to get a tune out of these players; and Sport Republic will want to do everything to deflect away from them.

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pingpong

pingpong

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If we are criticising the mnf appearances as our main source of recruitment, where martin and still both sounded good, what do we make of someone who comes across as absolutely shit?

 

 

 

 

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Willo of Whiteley

Willo of Whiteley

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12 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

This is the issue I said a week ago.

The fanbase calls for Will Still to go (rightly or wrongly), who comes in? Realistically?

It won’t be Ange, or Martin, or Ralph, or Gerrard, or Lampard, or Rodgers, or Carrick, or Southgate, or Rosenior.

Then you keep looking at other sites and other names and the options look pretty appalling.

I can see Tonda Eckhart being made permanent, being very underwhelming but the cheap Sports Republic option.

Adding Gary O’Neill to the list.

(Also a note: shortening of odds does not mean the bookies know something fans don’t. How utterly deluded are some people? 😂)

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pingpong

pingpong

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1 minute ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Adding Gary O’Neill to the list.

(Also a note: shortening of odds does not mean the bookies know something fans don’t. How utterly deluded are some people? 😂)

It kind of does, in that it shows the betting patterns have suddenly shifted and the odds shortening in this instance shows there is credible info out there that something has happened to encourage betting on that person.

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AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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As a collective on SaintsWeb, we should not be so judgemental. Who remembers declaring the various 9/10 transfer windows?

I bet if you look back through the Will Still thread, many of us predicted success under him.

 

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