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Harry_SFC

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He'll continue until the end of the season and we'll end up finishing about 16th. Which will be a complete and utter failure given our resources.

He'll be given a new 3 year deal. 

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Badger

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Have been hoping things would fall into place for Tonda especially going to a back four, new GK, and a CF. 
 

But as much as I want him to succeed the selection of Archer is inexcusable. 

Lighthouse

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There's a lot to criticise Tonda for but he's a bit snookered with the striker situation. Larin can't last thirty minutes and Stewart is made of glass. If we don't want to lose him for another two months, playing him twice in four days probably isn't wise.

Disco Stu

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2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

There's a lot to criticise Tonda for but he's a bit snookered with the striker situation. Larin can't last thirty minutes and Stewart is made of glass. If we don't want to lose him for another two months, playing him twice in four days probably isn't wise.

Who told you that?

Graziano94

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I’m sure it’s already been mentioned but us, Middlesbrough and Norwich were looking for managers at the same time.. and look how the latter two have done since getting some pedigree rather than taking a huge gamble. 1st season down is best chance to go back up and we’ve essentially s**t the bed. 

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tdmickey3

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8 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

There's a lot to criticise Tonda for but he's a bit snookered with the striker situation. Larin can't last thirty minutes and Stewart is made of glass. If we don't want to lose him for another two months, playing him twice in four days probably isn't wise.

Stewart is on now so he must be capable 

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Lighthouse

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9 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

Who told you that?

I watched him for 25 minutes on Saturday.

3 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Stewart is on now so he must be capable 

Of playing half a game. Would you be more happier if he'd been subbed off at HT?

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Disco Stu

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54 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

I watched him for 25 minutes on Saturday.

Of playing half a game. Would you be more happier if he'd been subbed off at HT?

So did I. He scored a goal and held the ball up effectively a couple of times. He looked twice the player Archer is. Even if your hyperbolising statement was true, he'd still be an upgrade even when blowing out of his arse.

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trousers

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18 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

There's a lot to criticise Tonda for but he's a bit snookered with the striker situation. Larin can't last thirty minutes and Stewart is made of glass.

Why did Tonda say after the window closed that he was 'very happy' with his striker options now then...?

(That's a rhetorical question, in case not obvious)

Lighthouse

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I have absolutely no doubt that Tonda Eckert knows Ross Stewart is a far better striker than Cameron Archer. No doubt at all. The fact that he started the latter should tell you something, i.e. he didn't want to but on the basis of fitness he was left with little choice. I'm sure the idea of half each for Larin and Ross also occurred to Tonda, so again, if he didn't there's probably a pretty good reason for it.

I don't think Tonda quite envisaged the game as it planned out but saving your stronger player for the second half, isn't the stupidest idea ever.

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Harry_SFC

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I'll certainly give him some credit for the second half.

However Archer must never start a game again. Is rather see a CB up top if necessary. 

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Lord Duckhunter

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They came out second half looking like someone got into them at half time. Who knows whether it was him or the senior pros, but either way, the players showed desire and determination to get back into the game. That’s something we’ve lacked the last few season and long may it continue. He’s now clearly here for the season and deservedly so…

washsaint

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You can clearly see Tonda is going to be an excellent manager.  Will he continue to make mistakes?  Absolutely, he's still learning his trade.

It's clear the players love him and, for me, it's definitely no co-incidence we have played with a different mindset since the Hull debacle and he was in the dressing room for an hour afterwards.  It wasn't just going to 4 at the back since that game but he clearly gave them all a rocket up their arse (and same tonight).

I love how he (as any manager would do) did not throw Archer to the wolves despite his abject performance.

Hoping Bragg and the young striker start on Saturday.

We have to be patient with Tonda and give him 2-3 years minimum.  We can't continually be changing managers (we've seen where that gets us) and his win percentage is insane: bearing in mind we had a 7 game run without a win (but 4 draws in there).

 

 

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Disco Stu

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1 hour ago, Harry_SFC said:

I'll certainly give him some credit for the second half.

However Archer must never start a game again. Is rather see a CB up top if necessary. 

Absolutely. Thankfully 45 minutes +6 was enough to rectify that mistake and now it's time to stick with the winning formula of having a proper centre forward up top.

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beatlesaint

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9 hours ago, Nordic Saint said:

Eckert has the best win percentage of any Saints' manager in our entire history in the Football League and the best since 1897 in our Southern League days. 

List of Southampton F.C. managers - Wikipedia

 

 

 

 

Yes I really don’t understand the attitude towards TE. Yes we had that awful run after a great start under him but he is learning the job whilst actually doing it, he’s not sat in the stands watching someone else.

Hes overseen 11 wins in 20 games with only 5 defeats. Thats pretty decent by anyone’s standards never mind someone with as little experience as him.

Yes I was concerned when we went on that bad run but he’s turned it around, 4 wins in the last 5 and we should have won that one really. Turning around a bad run was the acid test and he’s passed it. Last night was remarkable, if anyone can tell me the last time a Saints team who were 3-0 down would have had the stomach for the fight to turn it around let alone actually do it !!!

He will continue to make mistakes but in turn he will also continue to get things right. Yes Archer was a bad choice but with only two semi fit alternatives what’s he supposed to do?

 

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trousers

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5 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

He will continue to make mistakes but in turn he will also continue to get things right. Yes Archer was a bad choice but with only two semi fit alternatives what’s he supposed to do?

Implore his bosses to provide him with strikers whose natural state isn't 'unfit' so we don't get into this ridiculous situation in the first place...? ;)

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Behind Enemy Lines

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We go around in circles on here, reacting to each defeat like it’s the end of the world and each win like we’re suddenly prime Brazil. 
 

Stats again being used to prove arguments about this that and the other. 
 

I still believe we should never have appointed Still and Tonda and a few before them. With the money invested, the squad we have, a proven, decent manager would have us top two in my opinion. Easily. 
 

Our bad run was game after game of bad formations (yes they do matter) with players playing out of position and playing players like Bazunu, Manning etc, pre thinking the subs before the match starts and always changing like for like when it wasn’t working. 
 

His win record should be good, as on paper we have one of, if not the strongest squad in the league. Compare that to managers that in our history have kept us mid table and higher in the top division, going on decent cup runs and even lifting the FA Cup once. 
 

There’s as much chance last night that the players did their own thing second half despite what the manager said. Indeed, they came out early so probably decided between them what to do as they should have been ashamed of their first half performance. That showed good character from the players which should be great going forward if they keep it up. It shows our squad is one of the strongest so should be challenging higher up. Not because of some tactical and inspiring half time talk from Tonda. 

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beatlesaint

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13 minutes ago, trousers said:

Implore his bosses to provide him with strikers whose natural state isn't 'unfit' so we don't get into this ridiculous situation in the first place...? ;)

Well yes obviously but he can’t do that for the rest of this season can he?

Turkish

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If nothing else he has at least given the team a bit of resilience and winning mentality again. Under anyone of the SR appointed managers so far we'd have ended up drawing or losing to Watford and got smashed last night. He's been helped by having Bree back and Baz gone for sure, but if that was on him fair play to the bloke. The players seem to like him and giving their all which cant be said for the last few years. Maybe a few of the bad apples have gone too. I'm quietly optimistic, we're tougher to beat now, the squad seem more together, we can grind out results, but equally at the back of mind that we are capable of going on another shit run.

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beatlesaint

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7 minutes ago, Behind Enemy Lines said:

 

There’s as much chance last night that the players did their own thing second half despite what the manager said. Indeed, they came out early so probably decided between them what to do as they should have been ashamed of their first half performance. That showed good character from the players which should be great going forward if they keep it up. It shows our squad is one of the strongest so should be challenging higher up. Not because of some tactical and inspiring half time talk from Tonda. 

Are you related to Hans Christian Anderson?

Thats pure conjecture, absolutely no proof of that. You think suddenly the players who have shown no sign of guts and fight virtually all season as soon as something goes wrong…..and 3-0 down is pretty wrong……have decided on a rainy Tuesday night in Leicester to take things into their own hands? 
 

He made the subs, ok in one obvious case correcting the mistake he made, but don’t start believing that suddenly these players have developed the ability to repair what for the past few seasons has been a brittle level of confidence and belief. 

Baird of the land

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Yeah fair play to Spors(changing composition of the dressing room) and Tonda for instilling a new mentality. A very short time ago at 0-3 our team would have turtled up, rather than fought back. After the Hull game i was very concerned that he hadn't spotted the need to change formation but since then probably the only tactical quibble is the archer pick(which is excusable given the fitness of the other 2 strikers). I do wonder if getting the extra staff appointed to support him has helped. I still think Saints should have appointed a real manager in the summer but there were a real lack of options by the time they pulled the trigger on that bad hire, so going with Tonda wasn't inexcusable.

Chez

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11 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

They came out second half looking like someone got into them at half time. Who knows whether it was him or the senior pros, 

Interesting that when we have played badly in the second half of games no one on here has suggested that it might have been the senior pros 'half time advice' that was the issue. 😉

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Doctoroncall

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10 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

Absolutely. Thankfully 45 minutes +6 was enough to rectify that mistake and now it's time to stick with the winning formula of having a proper centre forward up top.

I think Archer will play on Saturday, perhaps if he was a bit sharper from more match time the first minute chance would have been scored. 
 

With two CFs unable to last a game at the moment the third choice needs to be better than what Archer showed in the first half. Hoping with this current good feeling in the squad he does improve and can play in a way that helps the team go forward. Certainly Tonda is trying to make him feel he can do it with his comments post match. 

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trousers

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4 minutes ago, Doctoroncall said:

I think Archer will play on Saturday, perhaps if he was a bit sharper from more match time the first minute chance would have been scored. 
 

With two CFs unable to last a game at the moment the third choice needs to be better than what Archer showed in the first half. Hoping with this current good feeling in the squad he does improve and can play in a way that helps the team go forward. Certainly Tonda is trying to make him feel he can do it with his comments post match. 

Yep, agree. If Archer is seriously our only senior striker fit enough to start at the moment, then start he must. Can only hope that not being dropped will be a confidence booster for him... #benefitofthedoubt

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Doctoroncall

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2 minutes ago, trousers said:

Yep, agree. If Archer is seriously our only senior striker fit enough to start at the moment, then start he must. Can only hope that not being dropped will be a confidence booster for him... #benefitofthedoubt

It’s the difficult part of finding a way he can play in the best team set up which contributes to the team rather than detracts.  I’m no coach so wouldn’t have a clue how this issue is solved, only the usual ‘running into space’, ‘taking defenders out of position’ and ‘constantly running’ sort of stuff. 😜

#ThisIsWhereTondaEarnsHisMoney

Disco Stu

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1 hour ago, Doctoroncall said:

I think Archer will play on Saturday, perhaps if he was a bit sharper from more match time the first minute chance would have been scored. 
 

With two CFs unable to last a game at the moment the third choice needs to be better than what Archer showed in the first half. Hoping with this current good feeling in the squad he does improve and can play in a way that helps the team go forward. Certainly Tonda is trying to make him feel he can do it with his comments post match. 

It's a false narrative that Larin couldn't play 45 minutes. He played 73 minutes in the Europa league against La Liga opposition two weeks ago and looked an effective CF last weekend. I know we're managing Stewart's minutes but he showed last night he could play 45.

Archer hasn't played in weeks. If anyone wasn't fit to play 45 minutes, it was him.

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saintant

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2 hours ago, Chez said:

Interesting that when we have played badly in the second half of games no one on here has suggested that it might have been the senior pros 'half time advice' that was the issue. 😉

I take your point but Eckert more or less admitted in after match interviews that the players more or less sorted things out between themselves at half time.

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saintant

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2 hours ago, trousers said:

Yep, agree. If Archer is seriously our only senior striker fit enough to start at the moment, then start he must. Can only hope that not being dropped will be a confidence booster for him... #benefitofthedoubt

Unfortunately Archer doesn't fit our style of play. He's better playing on the shoulder of a big man. In fact, he's far less effective than Arma was as a centre forward playing through the middle.

Lord Duckhunter

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2 hours ago, Chez said:

Interesting that when we have played badly in the second half of games no one on here has suggested that it might have been the senior pros 'half time advice' that was the issue. 😉

Maybe it was Bree & The keeper. 
 

It wasn’t a criticism of Tonda, if he’s created an atmosphere where players dig each other out, that’s a positive. Lots of managers have managed  through the senior pros. Better than all cuddling each other under Lego or Still. 

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