Tonda Eckert

[BotleySaint]

I assume we've heard nothing from the FA about their investigation.

Hopefully we've got someone lined up for when the inevitable happens with 1 week to go.

[disconnect]

16 minutes ago, BotleySaint said:

I assume we've heard nothing from the FA about their investigation.

Hopefully we've got someone lined up for when the inevitable happens with 1 week to go.

Why would anything further happen? Nothing further happened before and it's not really got anything to do with anyone else if the league have already dished out a ridiculously harsh punishment. 

[Dark Munster]

1 hour ago, disconnect said:

Why would anything further happen? Nothing further happened before and it's not really got anything to do with anyone else if the league have already dished out a ridiculously harsh punishment. 

I respectfully disagree. The club has been punished but not him. I think a one year ban from managing in the PL would be fair. 

[Badger]

29 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

I respectfully disagree. The club has been punished but not him. I think a one year ban from managing in the PL would be fair. 

Wouldn't surprise me if it went the way you  suggest but :  do you mean the PL , as opposed to EFL ?, do the FA have jurisdiction over the PL or EFL ? Also seems slightly bizarre that the FA might issue a ban on something that , to my knowledge, isn't specifically forbidden by the FA itself or PL..

Have wondered what the outcome might have been if ahead of an FA Cup tie where no specific ruling is in place. 

[Badger]

2 hours ago, BotleySaint said:

I assume we've heard nothing from the FA about their investigation.

Hopefully we've got someone lined up for when the inevitable happens with 1 week to go.

At least we know it won't be Gary O'Neill at short notice.

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, Badger said:

Wouldn't surprise me if it went the way you  suggest but :  do you mean the PL , as opposed to EFL ?, do the FA have jurisdiction over the PL or EFL ? Also seems slightly bizarre that the FA might issue a ban on something that , to my knowledge, isn't specifically forbidden by the FA itself or PL..

Have wondered what the outcome might have been if ahead of an FA Cup tie where no specific ruling is in place. 

But all yellow/red cards and suspensions etc are managed by the FA not the leagues.

So the thing you're making out is strange is precisely how the game is run here. The FA clearly have "jurisdiction" over the leagues.

If Tonda gets banned by the FA then it is in principle the same as another player getting banned for violent conduct or whatever.

Edited Wednesday at 16:48 by CB Fry

[Window Cleaner]

5 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

But all yellow/red cards and suspensions etc are managed by the FA not the leagues.

So the thing you're making out is strange is precisely how the game is run here. The FA clearly have "jurisdiction" over the leagues.

If Tonda gets banned by the FA then it is in principle the same as another player getting banned for violent conduct or whatever.

Indeed, when you browse the FA disciplinary actions you see that they ban and fine all sorts of people for a mixed bag of things. The word that crops up as often as not is "misconduct".

[DellBlockH]

2 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

I respectfully disagree. The club has been punished but not him. I think a one year ban from managing in the PL would be fair. 

But he has been punished. I would assume he was on a large bonus if he had got us up and a much-improved contract once he got there. The FA should say they have looked at the situation and, in view of the punishment already handed out by the EFL, no further action is required other than a warning about future conduct. I hope the club and its lawyers are saying the same thing.

[bugenhagen]

42 minutes ago, DellBlockH said:

But he has been punished. I would assume he was on a large bonus if he had got us up and a much-improved contract once he got there. The FA should say they have looked at the situation and, in view of the punishment already handed out by the EFL, no further action is required other than a warning about future conduct. I hope the club and its lawyers are saying the same thing.

They will not take anything like a potentially missed bonus into consideration when determening if he has been punished or not. Most likely, they won't even care if he has in some shape or form been punished. They will look at it from their angle, and they will find him guilty of som form of misconduct.

The way power works is that those in power tends to like to use it.

My only hope is that the punishment will be on the softer/shorter side.

[Dark Munster]

2 hours ago, DellBlockH said:

But he has been punished. I would assume he was on a large bonus if he had got us up and a much-improved contract once he got there. The FA should say they have looked at the situation and, in view of the punishment already handed out by the EFL, no further action is required other than a warning about future conduct. I hope the club and its lawyers are saying the same thing.

Yes he has. If he gets any EFL ban the FA can f*ck off and I hope Saints lawyers hit back with everything they have got. 

[sledger]

I think the fa would just like it to all go away due to the ridiculous punishment dished out by the efl

[Badger]

3 hours ago, CB Fry said:

But all yellow/red cards and suspensions etc are managed by the FA not the leagues.

So the thing you're making out is strange is precisely how the game is run here. The FA clearly have "jurisdiction" over the leagues.

If Tonda gets banned by the FA then it is in principle the same as another player getting banned for violent conduct or whatever.

Fair points. 

[andrew7610]

If Tonda is banned for any period of time, we should appoint Bielsa in his place. The internet would lose its shit.

[hypochondriac]

13 hours ago, sledger said:

I think the fa would just like it to all go away due to the ridiculous punishment dished out by the efl

Why would they care about that?

[OldNick]

If he did get a ban, please no, would Rob Edwards be a good fit

[Cuddles]

1 hour ago, OldNick said:

If he did get a ban, please no, would Rob Edwards be a good fit

No, absolutely not.

[trousers]

Good to see the ongoing interest in South Coast football from the Northern Echo, especially with their insightful breaking news here... 🤦🏼

[OldNick]

13 minutes ago, trousers said:

Good to see the ongoing interest in South Coast football from the Northern Echo, especially with their insightful breaking news here... 🤦🏼

I assume he is ptting a word in anyone he knows at the FA He is a slug imo, I saw he had a fall out with another journo on X

[Pamplemousse]

Hope we ban some of these journos from St Mary's. It's getting beyond parody now, they're literally obsessed.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 hours ago, trousers said:

Good to see the ongoing interest in South Coast football from the Northern Echo, especially with their insightful breaking news here... 🤦🏼

New Vape shop opens in Middlesbrough...giving residents a distraction as they await the FA's decision on Tonda Eckhert.

#Hacksatwork

[die Mannyschaft]

1 hour ago, Pamplemousse said:

Hope we ban some of these journos from St Mary's. It's getting beyond parody now, they're literally obsessed.

Saints should blank out any references to Boro in programme,  site, make coaches park miles away or even cancel game at short notice. 

Make sure there is no toilet paper in bog as they are full of shit.

[jemanson]

4 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Saints should blank out any references to Boro in programme,  site, make coaches park miles away or even cancel game at short notice. 

Make sure there is no toilet paper in bog as they are full of shit.

Or just call them Middlesborough 

[Charlie Wayman]

30 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Saints should blank out any references to Boro in programme,  site, make coaches park miles away or even cancel game at short notice. 

Make sure there is no toilet paper in bog as they are full of shit.

Glad you're not taking it seriously

Edited Thursday at 16:59 by Charlie Wayman

[Oldandtired]

I assume all this will have to be sorted before pre season training starts?

[CSA96]

10 minutes ago, Oldandtired said:

I assume all this will have to be sorted before pre season training starts?

You'd hope and think so, but preseason is a week out now and still no indication... although the FA's disciplinary process did issue a ban to an ex-Watford player today for racism incidents last season, so it seems they're back from their holidays and are actually dealing with their in-tray now

[rallyboy]

I think the delay of such an important decision is unacceptable.

Is the intention to do the maximum damage by forcing the club to drastically alter plans at the last minute?

It is starting to stink the same as the EFL enquiry led by Steve Gibson. 

 

[trousers]

14 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

I think the delay of such an important decision is unacceptable.

Is the intention to do the maximum damage by forcing the club to drastically alter plans at the last minute?

It is starting to stink the same as the EFL enquiry led by Steve Gibson. 

 

To me, it seems bizarre that there's not been a whiff of news from either within the FA or via journalists peering in.

Why is it seemingly beyond the bounds of possibility that the FA can't come up with an interim update along the lines of: "The investigation into the conduct of Southampton FC staff formally began on <insert date>. The investigatory panel, consisting of <insert names>, are targeting <insert date> to conclude their investigations. 

Instead... Nothing... Not a sausage...

Whilst the EFL investigation was a bumbling circus, at least they were relatively transparent with what was occurring and when...

Edited 10 hours ago by trousers

[die Mannyschaft]

1 hour ago, rallyboy said:

I think the delay of such an important decision is unacceptable.

Is the intention to do the maximum damage by forcing the club to drastically alter plans at the last minute?

It is starting to stink the same as the EFL enquiry led by Steve Gibson. 

 

I think Boro told FA to wait and see if Saints sack Tonda as close to start of season and if not then make decision to ban him week before the start of Germany pre season or start season.

This is another complete fix that only takes 10 mins over Teams call. 

[Toadhall Saint]

2 hours ago, rallyboy said:

I think the delay of such an important decision is unacceptable.

Is the intention to do the maximum damage by forcing the club to drastically alter plans at the last minute?

It is starting to stink the same as the EFL enquiry led by Steve Gibson. 

 

FA = Fucking Amateurs. Sloth city.

[Tamesaint]

I think / hope that the FA are shit scared of trying to punish Tanda. Dragan didn't get to be so wealthy without knowing his way around a courtroom. If we really now have appointed a top firm of lawyers he will make sure that any potential punishment is contested -if necessary in court. The composition of the original panel, the EFL arbitrary shortening of the timescales and the draconian level of the punishment all provide grounds for legal action. It could all get very messy if the FA aren't careful.

[LiberalCommunist]

Ordinarily the silence would be welcoming. But the process can no longer be trusted. 

Hope we fight the next injustice with more vigour. 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, LiberalCommunist said:

Ordinarily the silence would be welcoming. But the process can no longer be trusted. 

Hope we fight the next injustice with more vigour. 

You know the last "injustice" wasn't an injustice because we held our hands up and admitted it, right?

[LiberalCommunist]

Sending some melt up there to see if Hackney was training, justifies the punishment we received? Nope. It was a injustice. I hope we've learned to lie and cheat better.

Hopefully the shame of all this keeps the self flagellation brigade at bay, I find them more tedious than the rival clubs banter already. 

[bugenhagen]

I don't think the FA cares much about when our season starts, who is our manager, the uncertainty fans feel etc.

They will do their investigation in their own tempo and when they damn well please. The verdict will be ready when it is ready.

If that is before preseason, the start of the season or some time after the season has started means nothing to them and they feel absolutely no need to come out with updates along the way. It will drop like a bomb when it does (or it might get leaked right before). 

[Challenger]

 Wouldn't have the bollocks to do anything if this involved a " big " club.

[Whitey Grandad]

39 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

You know the last "injustice" wasn't an injustice because we held our hands up and admitted it, right?

The punishment was excessive. 

[Weston Super Saint]

34 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

The punishment was excessive. 

Which we had our chance to appeal but failed miserably.

We got what we deserved.

[sfc4prem]

Just now, Weston Super Saint said:

Which we had our chance to appeal but failed miserably.

We got what we deserved.

It was a kangaroo court. The appeal would have done fuck all no matter our preparation, speed or convincingness.

[Whitey Grandad]

27 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Which we had our chance to appeal but failed miserably.

We got what we deserved.

We only had ten minutes to prepare for it.

[egg]

9 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

We only had ten minutes to prepare for it.

Ha! That's just wrong.

We knew the case against us, but did ourselves over by lying to the investigation team, calling the kid to give evidence, approaching the case in an unrealistic way, instructing a non sports specialist legal team, then binning off our counsel ahead of the next day appeal giving him minimum prep time. That's all after what we actually did, and what our man is alleged to have spilled out up at Boro. 

Urgent, even same day, appeals happen often. Normally the same representative would deal with that so would be well prepared. What we did left the new bloke with a mountain to climb. 

We fell on our own petard, pure and simple. 

[CB Fry]

29 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

We only had ten minutes to prepare for it.

What a load of bollocks.

Tell you what, we could have not done any of the spying in the first place. This woe is me victim stuff is pretty pathetic.

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, egg said:

Ha! That's just wrong.

We knew the case against us, but did ourselves over by lying to the investigation team, calling the kid to give evidence, approaching the case in an unrealistic way, instructing a non sports specialist legal team, then binning off our counsel ahead of the next day appeal giving him minimum prep time. That's all after what we actually did, and what our man is alleged to have spilled out up at Boro. 

Urgent, even same day, appeals happen often. Normally the same representative would deal with that so would be well prepared. What we did left the new bloke with a mountain to climb. 

We fell on our own petard, pure and simple. 

 

1 hour ago, CB Fry said:

What a load of bollocks.

Tell you what, we could have not done any of the spying in the first place. This woe is me victim stuff is pretty pathetic.

For the benefit of clarity, I wasn't being serious. 

[Polaroid Saint]

2 hours ago, egg said:

Ha! That's just wrong.

We knew the case against us, but did ourselves over by lying to the investigation team, calling the kid to give evidence, approaching the case in an unrealistic way, instructing a non sports specialist legal team, then binning off our counsel ahead of the next day appeal giving him minimum prep time. That's all after what we actually did, and what our man is alleged to have spilled out up at Boro. 

Urgent, even same day, appeals happen often. Normally the same representative would deal with that so would be well prepared. What we did left the new bloke with a mountain to climb. 

We fell on our own petard, pure and simple. 

We fell on our own what now?