Tonda Eckert

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, WinglessWonder said:

FFS it is not a straightforward comparison between Eckert and Biesla!!! It is a misconduct rule which encompasses the range of breaches that I've mentioned before and different breaches (of which there have been many by various different people like Prutton, Suarez, Di Canio etc) have been met with different sanctions .

I don't know what is so difficult to understand either but you are doing your best to prove me wrong! 

I'm aware. My question which you ignored earlier is in what way the breach from Tonda is different to the breach from Bielsa which would result in a much greater punishment than a warning?

[WinglessWonder]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

I'm aware. My question which you ignored earlier is in what way the breach from Tonda is different to the breach from Bielsa which would result in a much greater punishment than a warning?

I don't know is the answer as I am not the FA nor the independent disciplinary panel!!  Ultimately they will decide how severe a breach of their misconduct rules it is and will sanction appropriately but, as I've said several times, the most severe sanction meted out is 10 games so that has realistically had to be the worst case outcome. 

[EssEffCee]

41 minutes ago, WinglessWonder said:

Bielsa was charged by the FA under their misconduct rules and received a warning. Other cases of misconduct (racism, biting, striking, betting etc) have received a variety of bans but 10 games but 10 games appears to be the most severe punishment handed out

 

Pretty sure Biesla wasn't charged.

[EssEffCee]

Said it before but imo the new EFL rule is still relevant to the FA side because breaking a known rule is a 'worse' case of misconduct than doing something which isn't against any explicit rules but is culturally frowned upon.

[Roger]

Tbh not got much faith in mb anyway after he basically was wishing for Damian downs to get an injury the other day. 

[hypochondriac]

Bif if a nothingburger expecting anything today.

[hypochondriac]

26 minutes ago, WinglessWonder said:

I don't know is the answer as I am not the FA nor the independent disciplinary panel!!  Ultimately they will decide how severe a breach of their misconduct rules it is and will sanction appropriately but, as I've said several times, the most severe sanction meted out is 10 games so that has realistically had to be the worst case outcome. 

Fine then we agree. There is nothing that either of us can think of about this Tonda charge that is materially different from the Bielsa charge (other than the EFL rule break that you state is an irrelevance.) yet both of us accept that it is highly likely that he will receive a harsher punishment. Will be interesting to read the justification for doing so.

[hypochondriac]

19 minutes ago, EssEffCee said:

Said it before but imo the new EFL rule is still relevant to the FA side because breaking a known rule is a 'worse' case of misconduct than doing something which isn't against any explicit rules but is culturally frowned upon.

That's what I just said. It will be interesting to see if anything like that is mentioned if we ever get to see the details of any ruling.

[hypochondriac]

Interesting. I wonder if our result has been released already and we are keeping it secret while we appeal?

[Pamplemousse]

4.30pm or 5pm announcement my guess

After that and we can assume it'll be next week

[hypochondriac]

6 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

4.30pm or 5pm announcement my guess

After that and we can assume it'll be next week

Well it's not 4:30 so half an hour left!

[Mozz]

36 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Interesting. I wonder if our result has been released already and we are keeping it secret while we appeal?

I wondered similar.

In the Chelsea case the written reasons from the initial hearing are dated 12th January, the appeal hearing was held on 18th May, and the written decision/reasons from that (and the initial hearing) have not been released until today.

I'm not suggesting the Tonda case will have anything near as extended a timeline, but it seems notable that it in the event of an appeal the intial decision doesn't seem to be released.