Tonda Eckert

[obelisk]

5 minutes ago, sockeye said:

I honestly think it will drag out until halfway through the autumn

If City lawyers are involved I wouldn't expect a decision until well into the next decade.

[saintant]

45 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

In fact given the time it is taking, I am inclined to believe that we have lodged an appeal and that is why we haven't heard anything. 

You may well be right but I don't see why it can't be announced. If they've set the punishment and we've appealed why the need for secrecy?

[benjii]

Need to string it out until such time as he is no longer our manager!

[Badger]

6 minutes ago, saintant said:

You may well be right but I don't see why it can't be announced. If they've set the punishment and we've appealed why the need for secrecy?

Perhaps they keep it secret to avoid the inevitable media scrum with all its noise (seeking to influence the outcome?). Personally I’d rather they keep it private for the time being, as frustrating as it seems. 

[skintsaint]

52 minutes ago, sockeye said:

I honestly think it will drag out until halfway through the autumn

Could be ideal if we get off to a terrible start and have to replace him anyway...

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Badger said:

Perhaps they keep it secret to avoid the inevitable media scrum with all its noise (seeking to influence the outcome?). Personally I’d rather they keep it private for the time being, as frustrating as it seems. 

Exactly. And they won't want people panicking unnecessarily if they are still hopeful of a reduced punishment.  

[Doctoroncall]

1 hour ago, sockeye said:

I honestly think it will drag out until halfway through the autumn

If it contributes to a siege mentality which helps push Saints into automatic promotion places, would it be seen as a sporting advantage 🤔

[SW5 SAINT]

21 minutes ago, benjii said:

Need to string it out until such time as he is no longer our manager!

I can see that if we make a bad start to the season our leaders will lose all interest in defending Tonda. The FA will probably lose all interest too…..

[hypochondriac]

Just tie them up in legal appeals for so long that by the time the six monthh ban comes In we will have already been promoted.

Edited 4 hours ago by hypochondriac

[saintant]

8 hours ago, obelisk said:

If the FA follow the Chelsea route then it'd be a suspended sanction in a few years time. But then it isn't Chelsea or City so the FA blazers will probably want to kick one of the smaller fry.

Has there been a run on plain brown envelopes?

[Thereisonlyonemickychannon]

4 hours ago, Window Cleaner said:

 

They aren't going to "stuff us", they may punish the principal perpetrator of the offences.

We could have suspended him at the outset and not be grannying 2 months later.

But Tonda is most definitely worth keeping. He has it, the x factor, I am sure of it.

[die Mannyschaft]

10 minutes ago, Thereisonlyonemickychannon said:

But Tonda is most definitely worth keeping. He has it, the x factor, I am sure of it.

Xg factor. Although I'm not sure all the unbeaten games were down to Tonda and not due to opposition just being unable to score

[hypochondriac]

21 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Xg factor. Although I'm not sure all the unbeaten games were down to Tonda and not due to opposition just being unable to score

That an incredibly odd way to look at it!

[Window Cleaner]

Still think he'll only get a suspended ban, won't make one iota of difference to our upcoming campaign if he doesn't start the silly stuff again...which hé probably won't.

[Bob60]

My wild unfounded musings are that over the last few days there seem to have been a few bits from Tonda, that along with him being in the stand to try that out lead me to think that the club have been told off the punishment and it is not too severe and possible a touchline ban.

I also think the reason we have not heard is we have appealed, don't think anything was released publicly about Chelsea until after the appeal. 

As I say just my musings.

Edited 3 hours ago by Bob60

[West Dean FC Legend]

Well my 'The Cheats' design products are now online. But because I am geninuely not some sort of rip off, self-promotion bloke, I haven't put up the link to the page. Ironically it is Spreadshirt so they are printed and posted from Germany! 

I genuinely am only making about £1 or so a product and that is covering my costs and time.

Anyone wants the link to the page let me know - if not tell me to f-off I'm sure someone will 🤣

[Weston Super Saint]

2 minutes ago, West Dean FC Legend said:

Well my 'The Cheats' design products are now online. But because I am geninuely not some sort of rip off, self-promotion bloke, I haven't put up the link to the page. Ironically it is Spreadshirt so they are printed and posted from Germany! 

I genuinely am only making about £1 or so a product and that is covering my costs and time.

Anyone wants the link to the page let me know - if not tell me to f-off I'm sure someone will 🤣

Just post the link in the buy and sell forum....

People can look or ignore it, whatever they choose.

[die Mannyschaft]

10 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

That an incredibly odd way to look at it!

Apart from the 5-1 win at Charlton Saints haven't been convincing in most games, too many sloppy goals let in Shef Wed, Preston etc . Most games we have 20 min chunks away to opposition.  It may have been a tactic to over pass the ball at back and risk losing the ball but dint think that's a coaching skill, more luck.

Even Doncaster wasn't convincing but if a draw is a draw and a win is a win then its cleaver management but I personally didn't think we won or drew games from our coaching decisions.

 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, die Mannyschaft said:

Apart from the 5-1 win at Charlton Saints haven't been convincing in most games, too many sloppy goals let in Shef Wed, Preston etc . Most games we have 20 min chunks away to opposition.  It may have been a tactic to over pass the ball at back and risk losing the ball but dint think that's a coaching skill, more luck.

Even Doncaster wasn't convincing but if a draw is a draw and a win is a win then its cleaver management but I personally didn't think we won or drew games from our coaching decisions.

 

Weird how people look at things. I couldn't disagree more. I'm not going to check back individual results but we were the superior team against Wrexham, Charlton, Coventry, Arsenal, QPR, Norwich in red hot form etc. You don't go on the longest winning streak in the league and beat Arsenal to get to the FA cup semi by luck. 

[Give it to Ron]

3 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Apart from the 5-1 win at Charlton Saints haven't been convincing in most games, too many sloppy goals let in Shef Wed, Preston etc . Most games we have 20 min chunks away to opposition.  It may have been a tactic to over pass the ball at back and risk losing the ball but dint think that's a coaching skill, more luck.

Even Doncaster wasn't convincing but if a draw is a draw and a win is a win then its cleaver management but I personally didn't think we won or drew games from our coaching decisions.

 

Thats rubbish are you saying our subs didn’t make a difference to win a game?  Thats coaching- you really think Tondas coaching didn’t improve players to get results?

You are way off here.

[saintwbu]

4 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Apart from the 5-1 win at Charlton Saints haven't been convincing in most games, too many sloppy goals let in Shef Wed, Preston etc . Most games we have 20 min chunks away to opposition.  It may have been a tactic to over pass the ball at back and risk losing the ball but dint think that's a coaching skill, more luck.

Even Doncaster wasn't convincing but if a draw is a draw and a win is a win then its cleaver management but I personally didn't think we won or drew games from our coaching decisions.

 

The Wrexham battering? The Arsenal FA cup win? Even the City FA Cup defeat I thought we were coached brilliantly, Tonda was reacting to every single move Pep made. Not sure we were watching the same team last season!

[saintwbu]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Weird how people look at things. I couldn't disagree more. I'm not going to check back individual results but we were the superior team against Wrexham, Charlton, Coventry, Arsenal, QPR, Norwich in red hot form etc. You don't go on the longest winning streak in the league and beat Arsenal to get to the FA cup semi by luck. 

I forgot Coventry too! That’s probably the game that I knew we had a very good manager. Complete masterclass without are two best attackers that day. 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Give it to Ron said:

Thats rubbish are you saying our subs didn’t make a difference to win a game?  Thats coaching- you really think Tondas coaching didn’t improve players to get results?

You are way off here.

It's not even a little bit wrong is it!

[West Dean FC Legend]

3 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Just post the link in the buy and sell forum....

People can look or ignore it, whatever they choose.

Hey thanks for that - I didn't even realise it existed [proves how on the ball I am]. I geniunely don't want to pee anyone off - well you know no more than I do normally.

I'll do that - if it is like the rest of the stuff on my design site and my art and books, it'll get ignored 😂

Weston-super-Mare? My wife went to school there - La Retraite Covent School - it no longer exists but they helped her during some difficult times - she's not even religious!

 

[Weston Super Saint]

5 minutes ago, West Dean FC Legend said:

Hey thanks for that - I didn't even realise it existed [proves how on the ball I am]. I geniunely don't want to pee anyone off - well you know no more than I do normally.

I'll do that - if it is like the rest of the stuff on my design site and my art and books, it'll get ignored 😂

Weston-super-Mare? My wife went to school there - La Retraite Covent School - it no longer exists but they helped her during some difficult times - she's not even religious!

 

The school that closed in 1971!!

[Weston Super Saint]

14 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Even Doncaster wasn't convincing but if a draw is a draw and a win is a win then its cleaver management but I personally didn't think we won or drew games from our coaching decisions.

 

I like it.  We should have had more of that when dealing with the EFL - maybe it wouldn't have been such a hatchet job on us.

[sockeye]

18 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Even Doncaster wasn't convincing but if a draw is a draw and a win is a win then its cleaver management but I personally didn't think we won or drew games from our coaching decisions.

Despite Will Still winning 2 in 11 with virtually the exact same squad?

[coalman]

36 minutes ago, sockeye said:

Despite Will Still winning 2 in 11 with virtually the exact same squad?

Peretz made an incredible difference to the team when he came in. He organised the defence, gave it confidence and made saves. I think we were conceding the same number of shots at goal a game but the number of goals we conceded per game halved or somesuch in the stats shown before the Arsenal game. The confidence that bred made an enormous difference.

That's not to say that Tonda didn't organise the team well. We were playing really high paced attacking football which was a dream to watch for the latter stages even as we were running out of puff due to fixture pile up.

The big thing for me is we played 3 premier league teams, beat two of them and competed with the other. That's something we weren't doing before even when we were a premier league team which is why I'm ok with us taking this chance. At the start of last season we had a team of individual teapots standing with hands on hips. By the end of it we had a team that wanted to win together.

Edited 2 hours ago by coalman

[Toadhall Saint]

38 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Apart from the 5-1 win at Charlton Saints haven't been convincing in most games, too many sloppy goals let in Shef Wed, Preston etc . Most games we have 20 min chunks away to opposition.  It may have been a tactic to over pass the ball at back and risk losing the ball but dint think that's a coaching skill, more luck.

Even Doncaster wasn't convincing but if a draw is a draw and a win is a win then its cleaver management but I personally didn't think we won or drew games from our coaching decisions.

 

Laughable

[Saint-Reece]

1 hour ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Apart from the 5-1 win at Charlton Saints haven't been convincing in most games, too many sloppy goals let in Shef Wed, Preston etc . Most games we have 20 min chunks away to opposition.  It may have been a tactic to over pass the ball at back and risk losing the ball but dint think that's a coaching skill, more luck.

Even Doncaster wasn't convincing but if a draw is a draw and a win is a win then its cleaver management but I personally didn't think we won or drew games from our coaching decisions.

 

Mental. 

[LaptopSaint]

3 hours ago, Doctoroncall said:

If it contributes to a siege mentality which helps push Saints into automatic promotion places, would it be seen as a sporting advantage 🤔

That will certainly be Steve Gibson’s argument.