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    Well, itís happening

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    Am I allowed to say he will never, ever be Prime Minister now?

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    Wonky glasses did it for him. And crazy policies

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    ..... he will never, ever be Prime Minister now?
    Good.

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    Read Chapel End Charlieís posts on the front page. He had this election result nailed on four years ago.

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    Take a bow Alan Johnson. Absolutely laying into Lansmann, the Cretin and the fu cking cult that the Labour Party have become.

    .................

    Alan Johnson lets rip - Corbyn was a disaster on the doorstep.. I want the Momentum cult out of the party, I want them gone..

    #GeneralElection #UKElection https://t.co/YWfAQ0vh6s

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    I wake up to read that the best the cretin can come out with is that he wont lead the party "in the next election". Oh, you're spoiling us.

    Any normal human being would resign immediately. Will be (yet another) absolute disgrace if that doesn't happen today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    I wake up to read that the best the cretin can come out with is that he wont lead the party "in the next election". Oh, you're spoiling us.

    Any normal human being would resign immediately. Will be (yet another) absolute disgrace if that doesn't happen today.
    Better for labour if he stays until WA is passed, so the new leader can come in and disassociate themselves from their (failed) brexit stance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashnats View Post
    Better for labour if he stays until WA is passed, so the new leader can come in and disassociate themselves from their (failed) brexit stance.
    The idea that he is going to walk back into the commons and even consider doing a PMQs is utterly ridiculous. Tone deaf, utterly contemptuous of all of the natural Labour voters he has turned his back on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    I wake up to read that the best the cretin can come out with is that he wont lead the party "in the next election". Oh, you're spoiling us.

    Any normal human being would resign immediately. Will be (yet another) absolute disgrace if that doesn't happen today.
    He will resign today surely

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    He will resign today surely
    Let's see. He'll probably sit down with Seamus and Uncle Len and the rest of that pond-life this morning and convince themselves that they have done nothing wrong and it is the electorate that simply must change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    The idea that he is going to walk back into the commons and even consider doing a PMQs is utterly ridiculous. Tone deaf, utterly contemptuous of all of the natural Labour voters he has turned his back on.
    I don't think that he cares. He sees Labour as a political movement rather than a party - in the same way as the Greens are more of a movement rather than a party capable of government.

    He will blame this defeat on Brexit and try to ensure that another Momentum backed Idealist takes over from him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    I wake up to read that the best the cretin can come out with is that he wont lead the party "in the next election". Oh, you're spoiling us.

    Any normal human being would resign immediately. Will be (yet another) absolute disgrace if that doesn't happen today.
    So obviously this. His party's core support has made it absolutely clear they do not support what he is doing. He has to let the party draw a line under it and start rebuilding immediately. This comment about resigning after a period of reflection seems pretty egotistical.

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    They could do a lot worse than go for Keir Starmer as their next leader. A very bright man, but not hugely charismatic. With his background he would also make an excellent Home Secretary. I think they are right to wait a while though. Major decisions are never best made in knee jerk reaction mode and they need some time to work out what type of Labour Party they want to be. To be an effective opposition they need someone they can unite behind and it was clear Corbyn was never trusted by the Blairites. F*** it up now and we could be stuck with the Tory’s for the next decade.

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    With The majority the conservatives now have it’ll take at least 10 years to turn it around. If labour get this wrong it’ll be at least 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    They could do a lot worse than go for Keir Starmer as their next leader. A very bright man, but not hugely charismatic. With his background he would also make an excellent Home Secretary. I think they are right to wait a while though. Major decisions are never best made in knee jerk reaction mode and they need some time to work out what type of Labour Party they want to be. To be an effective opposition they need someone they can unite behind and it was clear Corbyn was never trusted by the Blairites. F*** it up now and we could be stuck with the Toryís for the next decade.
    No one is saying announce the new leader today.

    But Corbyn could do the decent thing and resign today. It's absolutely shameful he hasn't gone already.

    The malignant cancer of Lansmann and Milne, Bastini and the rest of the socialist worker crew have never given two shi ts about changing the country, just owning the Labour Party.

    A little set back like yesterday they are already brushing off and they will try and fester and cling to their little bit of "power".+

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    I wasn’t suggesting that they should. But why the rush? It isn’t going to make the slightest bit of difference to the party if he stays a it longer whilst they sort themselves out. He will go soon enough. I’m more concerned about what happens when he does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    I wasnít suggesting that they should. But why the rush? It isnít going to make the slightest bit of difference to the party if he stays a it longer whilst they sort themselves out. He will go soon enough. Iím more concerned about what happens when he does.
    The rush is because quite frankly he has no right to be there presiding over his own successor and trying to stich up all the votes and sub-committee so he gets to carry on in all but name.

    Would be utterly shameless if he stays in post to ponce around Labour HQ with his little coterie as if nothing has happened and he's still the man. They're all currently high-fiving themselves about winning Putney as proof that everything they did was right after all.

    With all your wailing about how jolly awful Boris is, this behaviour by a failed leadership is utterly disgraceful if he doesn't go today.

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    If nothing else we have discovered that, as a party leader, it is better to be Islamophobic than anti-Semitic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    The rush is because quite frankly he has no right to be there presiding over his own successor and trying to stich up all the votes and sub-committee so he gets to carry on in all but name.

    Would be utterly shameless if he stays in post to ponce around Labour HQ with his little coterie as if nothing has happened and he's still the man. They're all currently high-fiving themselves about winning Putney as proof that everything they did was right after all.

    With all your wailing about how jolly awful Boris is, this behaviour by a failed leadership is utterly disgraceful if he doesn't go today.
    From sort of pitying him generally as inept I have moved to real anger that the fcker is so arrogant not to resign today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    If nothing else we have discovered that, as a party leader, it is better to be Islamophobic than anti-Semitic.
    Oh give it a rest. Always trying to stir it. Yeah it was a ringing endorsement for Islamophobia wasnít it

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    Dismissing the serious issue of an anti semitic Labour party is beyond contempt. Following the result last night at least the Jewish community can remain in the UK something that would not of been possible for many under Corbyn. Corbyn has always been a serious and real threat to the Jews. Friday night dinners around North West London will be both a celebration and one of extreme relief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    The rush is because quite frankly he has no right to be there presiding over his own successor and trying to stich up all the votes and sub-committee so he gets to carry on in all but name.

    Would be utterly shameless if he stays in post to ponce around Labour HQ with his little coterie as if nothing has happened and he's still the man. They're all currently high-fiving themselves about winning Putney as proof that everything they did was right after all.

    With all your wailing about how jolly awful Boris is, this behaviour by a failed leadership is utterly disgraceful if he doesn't go today.
    As someone who voted for them in Putney (my approach was that Corbyn didn't deserve my vote, but the current Tories are so hideous that it was more important to vote to stop them), I hope that I haven't inadvertently contributed to this!

    The rest of what you say about Corbyn and Labour is spot on. The paradox is he appears to be a man of principle who above all else would care about stopping the Conservatives, but actually as you say, "[has] never given two shi ts about changing the country, just owning the Labour Party"

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    Quote Originally Posted by whelk View Post
    Oh give it a rest. Always trying to stir it. Yeah it was a ringing endorsement for Islamophobia wasn’t it
    Just trying to lighten the mood Whelk.

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    Pretty damning really.

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    I am not a member of the Labour Party, but I find it hard to believe that anyone in the party would rather just take the Putney seat than win the General Election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    If nothing else we have discovered that, as a party leader, it is better to be Islamophobic than anti-Semitic.
    Lol. Poor old soggy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrfahaji View Post
    As someone who voted for them in Putney (my approach was that Corbyn didn't deserve my vote, but the current Tories are so hideous that it was more important to vote to stop them), I hope that I haven't inadvertently contributed to this!

    The rest of what you say about Corbyn and Labour is spot on. The paradox is he appears to be a man of principle who above all else would care about stopping the Conservatives, but actually as you say, "[has] never given two shi ts about changing the country, just owning the Labour Party"
    A man of principle lol. If he had any principles he would have resigned immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    I am not a member of the Labour Party, but I find it hard to believe that anyone in the party would rather just take the Putney seat than win the General Election.
    I think lots would rather keep their socialist policies than give them up even if it means losing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    Lol. Poor old soggy.
    When are you going to stop stalking me? It really isn’t something a grown man should be doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    I am not a member of the Labour Party, but I find it hard to believe that anyone in the party would rather just take the Putney seat than win the General Election.
    John Lansman was using Putney as an example of the electoral success of Labour last night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkhamsted Saint View Post
    Dismissing the serious issue of an anti semitic Labour party is beyond contempt. Following the result last night at least the Jewish community can remain in the UK something that would not of been possible for many under Corbyn. Corbyn has always been a serious and real threat to the Jews. Friday night dinners around North West London will be both a celebration and one of extreme relief.
    That's completely over the top, just like Goves disjusting speech today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    John Lansman was using Putney as an example of the electoral success of Labour last night.
    He also said that Labour needs to educate the electorate. So instead of looking for policies to fit the people he wants the people to fit his policies. Out of touch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    Urgh, straight off those Brexit Facebook groups which basically call for the killing of Diane Abbott.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    Urgh, straight off those Brexit Facebook groups which basically call for the killing of Diane Abbott.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    Urgh, straight off those Brexit Facebook groups which basically call for the killing of Diane Abbott.
    Don’t anyone ever tell me I’m cocooned in a “soft arse leftie” echo chamber

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    John Lansman was using Putney as an example of the electoral success of Labour last night.
    Momentum make Militant Tendency look mainstream. It’s ended in tears with the far left just like it did in 1983. Then, Labour could have had Healey and ended up with Foot. This time, the unions fixed for the wrong Miliband to get the leadership and then Beckett killed her own party for a bit of diversity on the ballot after Ed got a similar beating. Kinnock would be sick - all that work to eject the Trotsky scum and twenty years on back they come like Japanese Knotweed.

    Only possible way back is if Rebecca Long-thingy or one of the other front bench hoodwink Momentum (ironic name) and do a Kinnock - pretend and then modernise.

    LDs we’re recovering before Swinson’s idiotic policy on article 50 - hard to know where they can go from here.Hard to see how they can eject the Trots under Miliband’s leadership election rules unless the unions decide they don’t want to fund an unelectable husk. Labour’s heritage looks badly damaged in the north and Midlands by the London trots. Swinson killed the LD recovery with the stupid policy on revoking A50, glad she lost her seat. Pushed ahead despite unease of her colleagues.

    As for Corbyn’s speech about his achievements - what achievements? Leading his party to their worst postwar election performance? Generating a reputation for anti semitism?

    I’m not keen on Boris but his team kept their clown car on the road, as did the SNP, the others couldn’t. He will need to honour centrism to keep the new seats happy and the eventual trade deal might upset Wes, GM and LD but make the rest of us more comfortable hopefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
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    Would be funny if actually true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    Would be funny if actually true.
    It's funny and true and it's why Britain told Labour to f*ck off.

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    Never quite get these ones either, you think old people are laughable, poor, old people, or just people that work in recycling scrap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    It's funny and true and it's why Britain told Labour to f*ck off.
    Was Ed Miliband a communist too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    Was Ed Miliband a communist too?
    Seriously this election has broken you hasn't it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    Seriously this election has broken you hasn't it.
    No, speaking selfishly very luckily my quality of life is fine (thank god for low inheritance tax rates). Touched by your concern though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    Was Ed Miliband a communist too?
    He won after all, he won, he won, he won, he won, he won, he won. Magic Grandpa won he won he won he won he won he won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    He won after all, he won, he won, he won, he won, he won, he won. Magic Grandpa won he won he won he won he won he won.
    I knew you couldn't resist this post. Gobble gobble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saint1977 View Post
    He will need to honour centrism to keep the new seats happy and the eventual trade deal might upset Wes, GM and LD but make the rest of us more comfortable hopefully.
    So what is the eventual trade deal going to be, oh great prophet seer? Super Canada will be fine, thank you. Anything that equates to what the hapless May would have arranged is not acceptable, nor is anything that would have satisfied Corbyn's Labour, with continued Customs Union and Single Market membership. Simple enough for you remoaners to understand that it should return our ability to control our laws, borders, money and trade. If that cannot be agreed, then leaving on WTO terms is not a problem for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wes Tender View Post
    So what is the eventual trade deal going to be, oh great prophet seer? Super Canada will be fine, thank you. Anything that equates to what the hapless May would have arranged is not acceptable, nor is anything that would have satisfied Corbyn's Labour, with continued Customs Union and Single Market membership. Simple enough for you remoaners to understand that it should return our ability to control our laws, borders, money and trade. If that cannot be agreed, then leaving on WTO terms is not a problem for me.
    There’s no such a thing as Canada +++ just as there is no Santa Claus pal. There is a barebones tariff-free, quota-free FTA that does nothing for regulatory frictions, rules-of-origin and the services sectors but that will come with big demands on fish and a level playing field.

    I can’t wait for next year

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