SOTONS EAST SIDE Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Saying that Fry will issue an update later today, as well as anouncing KD off to the hammers, and that Saints have accepted a £1.5 million offer from Wolves for Surman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Saying that Fry will issue an update later today, as well as anouncing KD off to the hammers, and that Saints have accepted a £1.5 million offer from Wolves for Surman. Nice to see Solent telling us news we knew yesterday in terms of players leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Saying that Fry will issue an update later today, as well as anouncing KD off to the hammers, and that Saints have accepted a £1.5 million offer from Wolves for Surman. Wahay! We're minted. The end of administration is nigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Announce to say the deal has collapsed or that they are still sorting out legal matters with the Football League. This is going to the final minute and it will be the Swiss imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Update to say he is to start winding up very shortly, as if he hasn't already started by selling DmG & Surman. This morning's news about KD...etc has zapped any hope that i had from me, things looking very bleak this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altoniansaints Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Fry to issue statement????? surely that not good news, if MLT or TL were issueing statement then that would be good news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 (edited) If pinnacle hadn't fannied about then I know for sure that KD would have stayed. My source has stated that players feel let down by pinnacle especially as it has been reported that they have been kept in the loop when they havnt. Edited 30 June, 2009 by lordswoodsaints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Wahay! We're minted. The end of administration is nigh. Daft thing is had Barclays waited until now most, if not all of the overdraft would have been repaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/4465239.Saints__The_crisis_deepens/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leslie Charteris Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Daft thing is had Barclays waited until now most, if not all of the overdraft would have been repaid. Ironic, isn't it, that this situation was entirely avoidable - even without hindsight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Yeah, thanks pinnnacle. Even if you complete today (as if), your totally pointless delaying for the past 2 weeks or so, *supposedly* over the -10, has lost us Davies for certain.What is more with all the money you were going to invest (!), Surman might have stayed too. Best of luck to Kelvin though. I suppose just about west ham is close enough to commute so he won't have to move his kids. Where do the hammers train? As to Drew, IMO he'll go on and prove to those on here that don't appreciate him ,that he is a genuine premiership player K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 we are fooked!!!! thanks lowe et al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 we are fooked!!!! thanks lowe et al At last, someone pinning the blame fairly and squarely, but i think it was Mike not Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Yeah, thanks pinnnacle. Even if you complete today (as if), your totally pointless delaying for the past 2 weeks or so, *supposedly* over the -10, has lost us Davies for certain.What is more with all the money you were going to invest (!), Surman might have stayed too. Best of luck to Kelvin though. I suppose just about west ham is close enough to commute so he won't have to move his kids. Where do the hammers train? As to Drew, IMO he'll go on and prove to those on here that don't appreciate him ,that he is a genuine premiership player K. Oh come on. Kelvin might have stayed with us if a Championship side had come in for him. But an established Premiership side like West Ham? What would you do if it were you? Stay for a League One wage or take your last chance of a big Premiership payday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Bye bye SFC. It was fun whilst it lasted. Lowe and Wilde, you're c**ts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 I just want to add: F--K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Oh come on. Kelvin might have stayed with us if a Championship side had come in for him. But an established Premiership side like West Ham? What would you do if it were you? Stay for a League One wage or take your last chance of a big Premiership payday. I agree, even if things had been sorted, do you really think KD would have stayed and not gone to WHU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Has Pulis gone yet but we will be left with him if we can russle up another 10 players maybe able to get a team together to play on green park. Very very disappointed this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joesaint Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Yeah, thanks pinnnacle. Even if you complete today (as if), your totally pointless delaying for the past 2 weeks or so, *supposedly* over the -10, has lost us Davies for certain.What is more with all the money you were going to invest (!), Surman might have stayed too. Best of luck to Kelvin though. I suppose just about west ham is close enough to commute so he won't have to move his kids. Where do the hammers train? As to Drew, IMO he'll go on and prove to those on here that don't appreciate him ,that he is a genuine premiership player K. If west ham wanted davis-no one could stop him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Lowe, Wilde and Lynam...all equally at fault. W&nker and two tyrekickers who should have stayed in their own professions. Simples.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Oh come on. Kelvin might have stayed with us if a Championship side had come in for him. But an established Premiership side like West Ham? What would you do if it were you? Stay for a League One wage or take your last chance of a big Premiership payday. I really don't blame Kelvin... as his family must come first....If the takeover happens today then he would still be off to a club like West Ham.. Well done for all your efforts and good luck to the future...Saints will survive with Poke or the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Oh come on. Kelvin might have stayed with us if a Championship side had come in for him. But an established Premiership side like West Ham? What would you do if it were you? Stay for a League One wage or take your last chance of a big Premiership payday. Who knows? But Kelvin had said he was even prepared to take a pay *cut* to stay here. Besides he could have gone long before this, so he was clearly hanging on hoping to get a contract here. I suspect he's earnt enough not to worry too much financially so quality of life and the effect on his family would be the more important issues for him. But as I say he may plan to commute to West Ham, so at least his kids can stay in the same school etc K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 For all you knee-jerk panickers, here's a nice link to something I started last week with all the dates things are expected to happen, including Fry saying the start of this week was a deadline... http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showpost.php?p=345315&postcount=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Not good news this morning at all. With players out of the door will any perspective buyers want to renegotiate the deal? I can see this dragging on and on until we have no club left at all. Aint admin great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 I thought MLT said Pinnacle would step in by the end of Tuesday. By my watch it's not yet the end of Tuesday................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 This firesale is about Fry realising that he has achieved absolutely nothing in months and he is now days away from having ****ed the whole thing up, with supporting roles from several. Thees transfers will give him something for creditors should he wind up. It's going to be a massive few days for us, and also for Mr Fry and Begbies Traynor who need to show everyone that they are a capable company. If nothing constructive happens this week it will be time to accept that our club is just a magnet for incompetent businessmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 It's not a very nice pill to swallow, especially at this time, but it was the refusal of Rupert Lowe to offload players that resulted in Barclays pulling the rug from under our feet. So, for once, even the villain Lowe wasn't up to making the decisions that Mr Fry has caved in and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Just thinking out of the box (a bit like our strikers over the last few seasons), what if having to drop the points appeal and accept whatever sanctions the FL see fit to give to us, has changed the value the bidder is prepared to pay? There is now a shortfall between what the bidder will pay and what the creditors will accept. We sell DMG and AS for a combined £2.7m to cover this shortfall and the take-over can then go ahead? TBH I don't know what to think any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 I think Fry has to take some blame as well here. Not saying that he is more to blame than Lowe, Wilde or the FL, but at the end of the day he had a job to do, one he does professionally, and he failed completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokerchampion Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Stumbling block is with fl , pinacle need to prove where the funds are coming from , it appears they cannot , and also only a 2 year licence being granted by fl , that tells its own story , Fry has to shoulder a massive part of the demise over the last few months , his inibilty to see how the progress was going , and an experienced man not being able to see through the smoke screen created by TL etc , how many times are we all promised something to be let down last min , the big question now for me who did actually put up the half a million , was it even put up maybe it was a sum short of that . We can all live in hope a miracle happens today , but it all comes back to false promises . Fry cut your cloth accordingly reduce the price , renegotiate with the creditors , tell them your get nothing if you dont agree to 10p in the £1 , its all tax deductable , vat can be reclaimed v bad debt , and taken off the top line to reduce tax bills , and to re establish new buisness with the club . Come ON SOMEONE SORT THIS OUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 All things looking very depressing this morning, guess we will know if we have a future today one way or another after Fry's statement. Hope I'm wrong but just don't see Pinnacle seeing this through. just hope that the Swiss or somebody else are prepared to save us, but doesn't look good when Fry's selling of players under them?? Is it he doesn't see a take over happening Or am I on the wrong track here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 (edited) It's not a very nice pill to swallow, especially at this time, but it was the refusal of Rupert Lowe to offload players that resulted in Barclays pulling the rug from under our feet. So, for once, even the villain Lowe wasn't up to making the decisions that Mr Fry has caved in and done. I actually think that Lowe's refusal to sell anyone was a good decision at the time. Fact is Barclays acted like short-termist c**ts. They're going to lose more now than if they had waited for us to finish the season and we had then sold players. Edited 30 June, 2009 by shurlock unnecessary chuminess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncoboy Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 There is no option but to sit it out. Pinnacle are way past the point of putting up or shutting up. God protect us from Mr Photocopy but he may be the only option we have. Obviously to date nobody has rushed into put their money down. Hopefully the Swiss are gettting themselves sorted out though goodness knows why anybody from Switzeraland would even have Saints on their radar. Could only happen to the Saints when you think of the kack clubs that people rush in and buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 I think Fry has to take some blame as well here. Not saying that he is more to blame than Lowe, Wilde or the FL, but at the end of the day he had a job to do, one he does professionally, and he failed completely How do you know this? He had two objectives: to keep the business trading and to secure as much money as possible for the creditors. It's not clear yet that he has failed in either. The time to pass judgement is either when we have been successfully taken over or when it is announced that we have been liquidated. Even if the latter occurs, it doesn't necessarily mean that Fry has failed. He can only sell something if somebody wants to buy it and the price offered is agreeable to the creditors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Yeah, thanks pinnnacle. Even if you complete today (as if), your totally pointless delaying for the past 2 weeks or so, *supposedly* over the -10, has lost us Davies for certain.What is more with all the money you were going to invest (!), Surman might have stayed too. Best of luck to Kelvin though. I suppose just about west ham is close enough to commute so he won't have to move his kids. Where do the hammers train? As to Drew, IMO he'll go on and prove to those on here that don't appreciate him ,that he is a genuine premiership player K. He's about as much of a premiership player as Martin Cranie and that defender who went on to greater things at Manchester City (name escapes me) who promptly fell off the radar. Surman would have been more than useful in L1 but he's kidding himself if he thinks he's going to set the Prem alight. There again I wouldn't have believed that Delap, Fuller and Jones would have done much there, based on the crap they dealt up down here! As the great Jimmy Greaves said, "It's a funny old game!" :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Don't see the big uproar over the selling of DMG and Surman. Both would have gone whether the takeover was completed weeks ago or never at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 He's about as much of a premiership player as Martin Cranie and that defender who went on to greater things at Manchester City (name escapes me) who promptly fell off the radar. : Mills,now at Doncaster and valued at £2,5m.Hardly falling off the radar.Infact he's one of the few to succeed after leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 But then again... ...maybe it's not as bad as you pessimists think...!! You're believing this on the back of some big vendetta between The Echo and Pinnacle. Do we actually know anything of substance? Let's wait and hear what Fry has to say... after all, he did say that there would be no more drastic moves until Friday so that means his announcement must be an update of where we are up to as people are expecting to hear something today. Calm down everyone - we've still got a few days left with potentially 4 interested parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 He's about as much of a premiership player as Martin Cranie and that defender who went on to greater things at Manchester City (name escapes me) who promptly fell off the radar. Do you mean Martin Cranie a key part of England under 21's and Matthew Mills a player that has recently had a £2.5m bid for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eharty9 Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 obviously shame to see KD go, but if bart shows form he did before gettin injured at newcastle i dont think we will have a problem IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Do you mean Martin Cranie a key part of England under 21's and Matthew Mills a player that has recently had a £2.5m bid for him? He was garbage last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 I bet the stayaways are loving this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 How do you know this? He had two objectives: to keep the business trading and to secure as much money as possible for the creditors. It's not clear yet that he has failed in either. The time to pass judgement is either when we have been successfully taken over or when it is announced that we have been liquidated. Even if the latter occurs, it doesn't necessarily mean that Fry has failed. He can only sell something if somebody wants to buy it and the price offered is agreeable to the creditors. OK i agree that as yet he hasnt failed, what i meant was that should the club liquidate then he should take some blame. However, my uncle is an administrator and e has told me that it would be completely unnacceptable in his company if it had taken this long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Raising £2.5m in player sales and we still have to start "winding up", right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 He was garbage last night. They all were tbf! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Didn't the Coventry deal go down to the wire? The game of poker still has some time to play, irrespective of the consequences it seems. Players can be replaced as can a mediocre coach. The main concern is that the club survives and then has some money to pick up some players and a good coach to not get relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 He was garbage last night. Not as bad as the keeper! he was dreadful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so22saint Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 I bet the stayaways are loving this! If Saints do go down at least it will mean no more Saints Web Forum "I'm better than you" posts that either troll for a response (and succeed in this case) or look to keep the divided fan base divided. basically I'll be able to get through the day reading a lot less **** from ****s. a very small crumb of comfort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evo Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Oh for the days when our fans tear lumps out of opposition fans/players rather than each other... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 June, 2009 Share Posted 30 June, 2009 Do you mean Martin Cranie a key part of England under 21's and Matthew Mills a player that has recently had a £2.5m bid for him? cranie is crap and will never make it as a prem player...will be a mediocre CCC player at best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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