Pilchards Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 (edited) First one not a chance, happened straight in front of me and he first knocked the ball too far and dived as well, 2nd one too far away but again it looked harsh. What about you? Edited 19 September, 2009 by Pilchards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 First one was shocking, full marks for Saga's dive Not complaining though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 Lol, eduardonowski. 1st was massive dive, 2nd i didn't even notice handball, thought james was caught offside !!! Either way i don't really care, 2-0 is 2-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 That's odd because from where I was the first one looked definate but the second looked iffy. The ball from Lambert to James certainly took some sort of deflection, but nobody around us saw it hit the arm - James didn't appeal either. If neither of them were pens then I guess we've finally had a little bit of luck swing our way for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 No Saints players appelaed for the second one. Draw your own conclusions. FWIW I was in mid abuse hurling at the lino for giving such a **** offside decision (as was half the stand) then he put the flag across his chest and shut me up a treat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 No Saints players appelaed for the second one. Draw your own conclusions. FWIW I was in mid abuse hurling at the lino for giving such a **** offside decision (as was half the stand) then he put the flag across his chest and shut me up a treat. plus one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 Penalties aside I thought the officials were dire today. The lino who gave the pen managed to get just about everything else wrong as well, and the ref went from allowing full blown GBH to go unchecked to booking players for looking at each other a bit funny in the blink of an eye. Is a bit of consistency too much to ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 I cannot comment on whether it was a penalty or not as I wasnt there. The Sky reporter said it was a stonewall penalty and tat the ref gotit right when sagga was taken out. God some of our fans moan when we don't get a penalty and still moan when we don't Come on chaps cheer up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 No word of a lie for the 2nd, I shouted to the person next to me "handball" (it hit their left backs forearm which was across his chest) and next thing I knew the lino gave it, so I am absolutely 110% sure it was handball and a penalty. What I don't understand is why he didn't get booked - later in the game he clattered one of our players and went in the book but he should have seen red. The 1st pen look very dubious to me indeed, but hey they all count and we'll get one like that awarded against us this season I expect. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 I cannot comment on whether it was a penalty or not as I wasnt there. The Sky reporter said it was a stonewall penalty and tat the ref gotit right when sagga was taken out. God some of our fans moan when we don't get a penalty and still moan when we don't Come on chaps cheer up now. I don't think they're moaning about it, just being honest about what they saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 think tv will show 2 penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scally Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 plus one Sat in the corner right near the second pen and was another who was having a go at the lino for giving offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 I sit by the half way line, my reaction was first one no, second one yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 19 September, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 September, 2009 I cannot comment on whether it was a penalty or not as I wasnt there. The Sky reporter said it was a stonewall penalty and tat the ref gotit right when sagga was taken out. God some of our fans moan when we don't get a penalty and still moan when we don't Come on chaps cheer up now. Its not moaning about the ref giving us penalties, we are discussing the talking points of the game that's all? that's why sport is so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al de Man Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 I'm more pleased about how confidently Lambert dispatched them. I guess we have a conversion rate of only about 50% for the last couple of seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 Saga did a nice big juicy dive. What a cheat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints4Prem Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 The first one was near me and saggers went down about a minute too late so I would have been outraged if the decision had gone against us. Like most people I did not see the second. I thought the ref was of the usual poor standard and could not see why he was throwing cards around for except that he was low down the league of card givers so was probably getting his quota up. Thank goodness for a win now lets kick on! COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 had a perfect view of the second. definitely hit his arm and took a deflection. Would have been a bit upset if it was given against us though. FWIW I shouted for a handball!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 Block 42, seat 1085 near the front: first one was a loonnnggg slooowwww trailing leg by Saga. Guess what? It hit the defender. Oh dear. saga falls down. Penalty. Was it a penalty? Yes, by definition, because the ref gave it. Shoudl he have given it? hell no! Well played saga. (Second one i couldn't see - not watching either) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 I'm more pleased about how confidently Lambert dispatched them. I guess we have a conversion rate of only about 50% for the last couple of seasons. Agree, very Beattie-esque. Great pens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 I cannot comment on whether it was a penalty or not as I wasnt there. The Sky reporter said it was a stonewall penalty and tat the ref gotit right when sagga was taken out. God some of our fans moan when we don't get a penalty and still moan when we don't Come on chaps cheer up now. I think there is some 'do's' and don'ts' mixed up there somewhere...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 No word of a lie for the 2nd, I shouted to the person next to me "handball" (it hit their left backs forearm which was across his chest) and next thing I knew the lino gave it, so I am absolutely 110% sure it was handball and a penalty. What I don't understand is why he didn't get booked - later in the game he clattered one of our players and went in the book but he should have seen red. The 1st pen look very dubious to me indeed, but hey they all count and we'll get one like that awarded against us this season I expect. HTH Yep, we will - and Kelvin will save it yet again...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLove Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 1) yes saga just knocked ball forward invited the defender to tackle and caught him good and proper. 2) Not sure apparently it was hand ball but being on the other side of the pitch no one realise it was until he put the ball on the spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 1) yes saga just knocked ball forward invited the defender to tackle and caught him good and proper. 2) Not sure apparently it was hand ball but being on the other side of the pitch no one realise it was until he put the ball on the spot. Couldn't see the first one but the second one bounced up and hit the bloke's arm. Looked accidental and a rubbish decision - lino gave it not ref! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 it wasnt a dive because the player touched him,but making the most of a foul is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribbo Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 Penalties aside I thought the officials were dire today. The lino who gave the pen managed to get just about everything else wrong as well, and the ref went from allowing full blown GBH to go unchecked to booking players for looking at each other a bit funny in the blink of an eye. Is a bit of consistency too much to ask? the lino who gave that pen got most of those offsides against Papa correct haha i thought Saga gave the Yoevil player a lesson in how to win a penalty for the first and i was sat across from the second thought it deflected in that area but never in a million years expected any paid official to spot it or indeed give it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 1st Pen. Not a chance in hell. Saga got 9.8 for artistic impression. In between the tackle and Saga hitting the ground, I went for a pee and got back to my seat as he hit the deck. 2nd Pen. Not a chance in hell. If that had been against Saints, we would have felt as if we had been robbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 The first one was embarrassing, would have made Eduardo blush, and I'm still not sure what the second was all about - I thought the ref had given something the other way....happy to take them both though thank you, and these things perhaps even out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 We sit in the middle of the Kingsland. Not one of us would have given the first and for the second I was the only one who saw the ball skid up off the grass and glance off the defender's arm. None of the players appealed, there may have been a half-hearted shout of 'handball' from someone in the crowd and even the assistant seemed to pause for a second before waving the flag about and sticking it across his chest. It was definitely his call and normally the referee's instructions are not to flag a penalty unless you are 150% sure. The referee can't ignore his lino without making him look silly. For me, it was definitely ball to hand but it wasn't my call to make, was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Samuel Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 I was sat in the Northam, wouldn't have given the 1st one, as for the second one I didn't even know why it was given at first, had to text my mate in the Itchen South to tell me it was handball. The standard of refereeing seems to be a lot poorer in this league, but we've benefitted today so I'm not complaining! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 (edited) I wasn't there so have no idea as to whether or not they WERE penalties. However, the grammar is appalling. The question should have been: Were they penalties, yes or no? (Were they; was it.) Edited 19 September, 2009 by Minsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian H. Cope Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 Yes they were penalties, both of them. The officials in charge thought so too. Well played the Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 Saganowski should switch to the high-board in time for 2012, as for the second James clearly fouled their player which led to the Green guy being off balance and stumbling into the ball. Liney called it right but incredibly the ref over-ruled him. Good that St Dunstan's are supplying refs to the Football league these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Reigned Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 From the Kingsland South the first one looked like Saga made a meal of it (he went down very much in a Klinnsmann-esque manner) but it did look like there was contact, so I thought it was a pen. As for the second, I wasn't aware of anyone in the ground who thought it was a pen other than the assistant; if it did hit the guy's arm then I didn't see any intent. Maybe it even's things up after the shocker given against Trotman at Stockport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 wow you sound really ****ed off Charlie, would you have prefered we did not get a penalty and lost then? As i said in the match thread i was right next to the 2nd one and took footage of the actual penalty being taken At that time we did not know what was going on as assumed we must have been offside. However it did appear that their guy pushed the ball down with his shoulder but it could of been his chest. It was one of those things you do not even register to think about as you rarely see them given. Never in the box anyway. But if the guy did move arm to ball then that is the right decision. The ref did his job. But if he didn't then that is harsh, really harsh. But we had that happen to us just a couple of weeks ago. Guess can never make everyone happy right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky-G Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 to be honest from where I was (itchen chapel corner) first pen-nailed on without a replay to help second one,missed it really as i was abusing a certain linesman for a dodgy offside,then there was a polite nudge in my ribs telling me to ease up cause we had a pen,not going to whinge to much as we don't get many going our way normally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 think tv will show 2 penalties. I think they won't. The first was plain embarrasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 Embarresed by the first one. I honestly found it hard to even celebrate. I can't abide cheats and having f'd and blinded at that Arsenal cheat on the tele the other week I found it impossible to celebrate that rediculous dive. I'm amazed the ref gave it. From my angle in the Kingland/Northam corner it never looked a pen. I'd have no problem whatsoever in seeing the FA ban Saga for 3 games for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 Maybe it even's things up after the shocker given against Trotman at Stockport? very good point. They all even out and if they don't, well, such is life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 1st Pen. Not a chance in hell. Saga got 9.8 for artistic impression. In between the tackle and Saga hitting the ground, I went for a pee and got back to my seat as he hit the deck. 2nd Pen. Not a chance in hell. If that had been against Saints, we would have felt as if we had been robbed. Those of us in the chapel end of the Kingsland, clearly saw the handball. The issue for the Lino to decide was whether it was deliberate. The player had his arm across his body when the ball hit his arm. It was clearly ball to arm, but the Lino must have decided that the player could have moved his arm out of the way and chose not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 I have to say from the Chapel Saga's looked a pen from behind despite the 9.5 fall to the ground, the second was on the side of the Chapel where I sit and I have to say I thought it was a crap offside decision that I was giving the lino grief for until someone said refs given a penalty. For the next five minutes what the lino had seen was the topic of conversation all around because no one spotted the hand ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazingstoke Saint Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 I sit in Block 34 Kingsland - level with 2 yards inside the penalty area. Saga would have scored 9.5 for artistic merit - I didn't applaud the awarding of the penalty - but I did applaud Ricky Lambert when he scored it. The second one was too quick for me and too far away - thought it was off-side number 384. Great to have won. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 Yes :smt053 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 Blatent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 Of cause they both were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca155 Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 Er yes they were penalties Lambert scored both end of story. Should either penalty been given... not really. Saga's dive was a bit over the top but if you saw Channon in his pomp he did far worse. The defender was late and made contact that's what the ref made the decision on. The fact that Saga made an idiot of himself trying to con the ref actually has nothing to do with it. I'm not a ref but I do know that if contact is made anywhere in the box which is judged as a foul it's a pen. Doesn't matter where it is. Footballers and fans always seem to be more incensed when a player is upended in a goal scoring position than when it's right in the corner of the area. The 2nd was right in front of us and that was embarrassing. Yes the lad made contact technically. He was tracking our player and didn't see the ball as it was played across him. he didn't lift his arm or make the slightest attempt to play the ball and was subsequently gobsmacked (as where we) when the pen was given. I hate those decisions because it will be Saints who suffer next time. When will refs realise that football is a contact sport and that occasionally the ball may inadvertedly strike a player on the arm. The ref had no choice once the lino had flagged as the decision was out of his hands. he did the lino a right old look though so I suspect that will be mentioned in his report. Unfair or no it gave us 3 points ... excellent and put right some outrageous decisions from earlier games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 We have had so many turned down or given against us over the recent season or two that I am hoping luck has turned our way for a while. How many saw Lambert elbowed in the face by a Colchester CB and nothing given. It is our turn that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
explorer saint Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 First was dubious some you get some not but secound def hand ball from where I was in the kingsland though maybe not intentional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 I was sat high in the Kingsland with a good view into the penalty area.No doubt the first one was shall we say,cultivated by Saga.Ball - and him - going out of play but invited the player to dive and went over.So, not a penalty in my view. Second one, too far away but no appeal from our players or crowd.So, unlikely. The Sky reporter said it was a stonewall penalty and tat the ref gotit right when sagga was taken out. God some of our fans moan when we don't get a penalty and still moan when we don't Come on chaps cheer up now. Shows how reliable a Sky reporter is then. Not moaning about our good fortune,but would like to see us deserving our win,and scoring a goal from open play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 19 September, 2009 Share Posted 19 September, 2009 Can someone change the thread title from was to were. It bothers me everytime i check the main bored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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