forever a red and white Posted 20 January, 2010 Share Posted 20 January, 2010 This may seem a reaction his red card but i have to say, one of the problems that he has is his game is that he gets too involved with complaining to officials. Numerous times he gestures a yellow card should be given and gets involves in petty arguments. I'm suprised its taken him this long to actually earn a red card. He needs to learn to be more disciplined, if he concentrated on the game as much arguing he might put in some better performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 January, 2010 Share Posted 20 January, 2010 He is French. What do you expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 20 January, 2010 Share Posted 20 January, 2010 A Gallic shrug and walk away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLINK Posted 20 January, 2010 Share Posted 20 January, 2010 shows he cares, i like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 20 January, 2010 Share Posted 20 January, 2010 He is French. What do you expect? A Gallic shrug of the shoulders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 20 January, 2010 Share Posted 20 January, 2010 +1 just like Cantona or Zidane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 20 January, 2010 Share Posted 20 January, 2010 A Gallic shrug and walk away? Do you know many French footballers? There was this fella called Zidane... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 20 January, 2010 Share Posted 20 January, 2010 He was superb tonight before he got sent off. Getting better all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 January, 2010 Share Posted 20 January, 2010 Watch the video on the match day thread, I think he shows great respect to the ref. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born In The 80s Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 Typical french "half way there" reaction. Either shrug it off, do nothing and walk away or ****ing lamp him one and take the red. Morgan took the risk (as most footballers do) and went somewhere in between the two and paid the price... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThorpG Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 Frustrating decision from the ref as the other guy (Gleeson?) was hardly blameless, but if you have a ref who has been poor all game, why give him the chance to make another poor decision, with a tame shove. Not clever. Also hated seeing Schneiderlin waving imaginary yello card at the linesman in the 1st half - he should get an instant yellow card himself for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WESTIE SFC Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 Typical French player to be honest! If he were Italian he would only roll around when a tackle came in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 moving away from his red card i thought he played very well in the more advanced position he started in, especially the 1st half. would like to see him there more often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-luco Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 Frustrating decision from the ref as the other guy (Gleeson?) was hardly blameless, but if you have a ref who has been poor all game, why give him the chance to make another poor decision, with a tame shove. Not clever. Also hated seeing Schneiderlin waving imaginary yello card at the linesman in the 1st half - he should get an instant yellow card himself for this. i think he was asking the assistant why he hadnt flagged, not waving an imaginary yellow card, as the foul had'nt been given.there was 2 of our players doing that, not just spiderman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 (edited) moving away from his red card i thought he played very well in the more advanced position he started in, especially the 1st half. would like to see him there more often I agree - he's been used in a more advanced position before, not least under the Dutch experiment but typically as a stopgap coz of injuries with him soon reverting to a deeper position. Possibly there's a reluctance to play him there because he doesn't get goals or look dangerous enough around the box but he certainly links up the play well and showed yesterday he's got some pace. In terms of his general football development and education, there's still uncertainty as to what kind of footballer he should be - hence the criticism that notwithstanding his talent he's neither fish nor fowl, he doesn't totally attack, he doesn't totally defend. Somebody needs to provide him with some guidance and get him to focus on one particular role which he can master over time if he's not to go off the boil. Personally I would push him to get forward more like fabregas has learnt. Edited 21 January, 2010 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 This is the most pathetic thread I've seen in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 moving away from his red card i thought he played very well in the more advanced position he started in, especially the 1st half. would like to see him there more often Yes I thought the same - played very well but did not seem that confident in front of goal I thought he played a lot better than Lallana who tried to be too complicated as oppossed to Morgan who released the ball quickly to team mates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Saint Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 thought he played fairly well last night until his carding..... what really ****es me off is how that lobster faced **** Gleeson was allowed to grab someone by the throat and gets a yellow, and when Morgan pushes him away, he gets a red.....grabbing somebody by the throat is actually classed as assault on civvy street.....I'll be very disappointed if we don't appeal on the grounds of self-defence.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 thought he played fairly well last night until his carding..... what really ****es me off is how that lobster faced **** Gleeson was allowed to grab someone by the throat and gets a yellow, and when Morgan pushes him away, he gets a red.....grabbing somebody by the throat is actually classed as assault on civvy street.....I'll be very disappointed if we don't appeal on the grounds of self-defence.... He did not grab him by the throat after being fouled he grabbed him by the shirt and Morgan pushed him in the face' Gleeson was booked which was the correct decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 grabbed by collar - Schneiderlin is taller! yellow each would have been fair. After last few years I am not going to complain about players showing spirit - even if misplaced! Thought he was one of our best players, again, last night. He was controlling the midfield for the first half and they didn't get a look in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
instinct Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 Apart from the penalty and antonio corner decision that ref was spot on giving yellows to James, Kelvin, Holmes and a red to Morgan for dissent, unsporting behaviour and violent behavior... its a disgrace when players crowd round the referee and completely pointless - I've never seen a ref change his decision because players crowd round him insulting him. I don't mind players picking up cards for cynical fouls, breaking up play and getting stuck in, but Pardew needs to instill some discipline to stop us picking up stupid bookings. We'll miss Morgan for the next three games now, which is even worse as Hammond is out for about the same amount of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flickjax Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 yes but if you take the height differences into account Morgan could only push the poison dwarf in the face or even the top of the head, refs never take height difference into account Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 A Gallic shrug and walk away? hehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 Frankly, if that was a sending off, there were 4 others who did pretty much the same in the previous incident who wouldn't have been on the pitch. Also, how is that "striking or attempting to strike an opponent" - "raising your hands" OR "lightly pushing someone in the chin" isn't against the laws of the game anyway. Stupid to give the ref a chance to send him off (especially when he was never in charge of the match and looking for some way to stamp his lack of authority on it) but contrary to the OP, I don't think interacting with the ref is something he does much of during matches. Dunno what's going on with his hair though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knellster Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 It would also be nice if Morgan would stop lying on the floor pretending to be injured. He did it at Swindon until the ball came to him when he descided to get up, he did it at Colchester and he did it again last night. I don't care if he's French - that's not how we behave here and it means we're playing a man short 'cos he's p1ssing about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 From what I could see it was definitely a red. Being a man down could have cost us the match, and could still cost us the JPT final. It was selfish and completely unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareham saint phil Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 Just watching on SS3 now and the first half pushy shovey handbaggy at 5 paces when LJ and KD were booked, how did the same little **** that had a go at Morgan not get booked as he clearly push LJ in the back, and the commentators are going on about consistancy. Yes MS should have been sent off, by the letter of the law, but did anyone see the red coming because i didn't i thought both would get yellows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 Also, how is that "striking or attempting to strike an opponent" - "raising your hands" OR "lightly pushing someone in the chin" isn't against the laws of the game anyway. It will probably be reported as 'violent conduct'. Anything above the top of the chest can be considered as such these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintds Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 Morgan is being "toughened", learning to be a bit nastier, as confirmed by Dean Wilkins earlier in the season. When you've got that element to your game there's always a risk of a card or two. I agree with the OP that he needs to stop back chatting and trying to get opponents booked. It's neither big nor clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 I thought he was hard done by. The Franchise fella grabbed him with two hands by the neck, he respnds by pushing him away in the neck area and only HE gets sent off. I can see why the ref sent him off, but a yellow would have bene sufficient. Both players had their hands raised. have some common sense ref. This `hands raised so you are off' all emcompassing misdimeaner (spell) is ********. Surely a red card should be for slapping or punching, not pushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 I agree. Overall though, he is improving. I was very impressed with him last night. He definitely benefits from being given a defined role in a central 3, rather than a flat 4. I still don't think he has the influence on games that many on here credit him with but he has the potential to keep developing. If he can gain some confidence in front of goal he could become a really good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringwood Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 Apart from the penalty and antonio corner decision that ref was spot on giving yellows to James, Kelvin, Holmes and a red to Morgan for dissent, unsporting behaviour and violent behavior... its a disgrace when players crowd round the referee and completely pointless - I've never seen a ref change his decision because players crowd round him insulting him. I don't mind players picking up cards for cynical fouls, breaking up play and getting stuck in, but Pardew needs to instill some discipline to stop us picking up stupid bookings. We'll miss Morgan for the next three games now, which is even worse as Hammond is out for about the same amount of time. Well you never saw the Liverpool v Wolves game in December then? Referee Andre Marriner showed the defender a second yellow card - but only after being surrounded by Liverpool players for incorrectly cautioning Christophe Berra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 I thought he was hard done by. The Franchise fella grabbed him with two hands by the neck, he respnds by pushing him away in the neck area and only HE gets sent off. I can see why the ref sent him off, but a yellow would have bene sufficient. Both players had their hands raised. have some common sense ref. This `hands raised so you are off' all emcompassing misdimeaner (spell) is ********. Surely a red card should be for slapping or punching, not pushing. The same MK player (no7) shoved Lloyd in the back of the head / neck in that first half kerfluffle and didn't get cautioned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Incongruous Monk Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 Apart from the penalty and antonio corner decision that ref was spot on giving yellows to James, Kelvin, Holmes and a red to Morgan for dissent, unsporting behaviour and violent behavior... its a disgrace when players crowd round the referee and completely pointless - I've never seen a ref change his decision because players crowd round him insulting him. The problem isn't so much the things the ref did give, it's the things he didn't. At this level there are too many refs that end up punishing the retaliation but don't see the incidents leading up to it. The off-the-ball niggles, the late challenges, the leaving a foot in. The ref move on so quickly that he misses all these things. How Gleeson stayed on the pitch last night is a mystery, and how we ended up with 5 cards to Dons 2 is also astonishing. There were maybe 2 or 3 challenges all night that deserved a card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 It's all bollix anyway. refereeing has become totally random and not one of them goes through a game without making one single mistake. Still I expect this little knob will be able to say "I sent him off once" when Morgan is playing in a world cup final. It's no good footballers becoming more and more skilled and finely tuned when the bollok in black ballses up about 1 decision in 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 If a player grabs another player by the shirt collar and gets pushed back then whatever punishment is given to the second player should be automatically applied to the first whatever the colour. Both were culpable. Professional players routinely should put as much distance as possible between themselves and the victim of a painful tackle. The referee should also position himself between the victim and that player. That would give time to take the heat out of it. Having said that, not wishing to sound holier than thou, I've waited six months to clobber somebody that badly fouled me. Believe me it was worth it. The first minute is the time for retribution. I passed him the ball and followed through, I didn't even get booked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 Having said that, not wishing to sound holier than thou, I've waited six months to clobber somebody that badly fouled me. Believe me it was worth it. The first minute is the time for retribution. I passed him the ball and followed through, I didn't even get booked. Jackie Charlton's black book eh?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 Glad he's getting involved like that, last season he wouldn't have reacted like that. He's really improved this season, I didn't get what he was about and thought we wasted 1.2m on him. Certainly proved me wrong. Agreed that he looks better in a more advanced position, his best game for us was in that position against Southend. I don't understand why Pardew doesn't push him up like that in our 4-4-2, our two midfielders are always far too deep there isn't any need to be that negative. Let Hammond and Schneiderlin pivot and actually attack and get into the box rather than just shield the back four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 Jackie Charlton's black book eh?? A bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 If a player grabs another player by the shirt collar and gets pushed back then whatever punishment is given to the second player should be automatically applied to the first whatever the colour. Both were culpable. Professional players routinely should put as much distance as possible between themselves and the victim of a painful tackle. The referee should also position himself between the victim and that player. That would give time to take the heat out of it. Grabbing a player by the collar is just as bad as pushing another away in the faceand both could count as violent conduct in my book. What was Morgan supposed to do to defend himself? The ref was losing control of the game by then and the sending-off was a consequence of this. If his control had been tighter from earlier on then this incident would probably not have happened. No doubt his assessor will have detailed it all in his report but it won't help Morgan, I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 Consensus on here is that Morgan gets a 3 match suspension for a straight red. Does that suspension automatically re-set the counter on his yellows so far to zero? I think he was already on five. Where will he be if he serves a 3 match ban? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 (edited) ... Edited 21 January, 2010 by Thedelldays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 I don't care if he's French - that's not how we behave here I take it you haven't watched much English football for quite some time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 Consensus on here is that Morgan gets a 3 match suspension for a straight red. Does that suspension automatically re-set the counter on his yellows so far to zero? I think he was already on five. Where will he be if he serves a 3 match ban? 3 match ban for standard violent conduct which starts immediately, i.e. next competitive first team game. If the club appeals then this can possibly be increased by one if the appeal is held to be frivolous. Previous yellows are not affected but if it were two yellows in the same game that would count as one red with a consequent one-match ban. His ban is confirmed here: http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary/SuspensionLists.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 Shame, he looked very good in that role as the more attacking midfielder. James also looked good, i would even go as far as saying if we got a decent DM in this window i would not be complaining of seeing Hammond dropped for new DM, James and spiderman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 Having said that, not wishing to sound holier than thou, I've waited six months to clobber somebody that badly fouled me. Believe me it was worth it. The first minute is the time for retribution. I passed him the ball and followed through, I didn't even get booked. Was he on your team?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_lambden Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 You can see on the repalys he was going to apoligise before the guy grabbed him. It was a sending off though but the officials were bad all night IMO. Shame as we are light in Centre-Midfield now, maybe Lallana could come to play in the middle and start Homes wide left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 He was superb tonight before he got sent off. Getting better all the time. I must have been watching a different game , i thought he was average at best and way to lightweight on the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 21 January, 2010 Share Posted 21 January, 2010 I though he had a good game last night - was all over the park and about the only central MF to get beyond Lambert. Then well, a sign of immaturity on his part - he'll learn his lesson sitting in the stands twiddling his thumbs and wanting to be on the pitch (all IMHO of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harwellsaint Posted 22 January, 2010 Share Posted 22 January, 2010 From what I could see it was definitely a red. Being a man down could have cost us the match, and could still cost us the JPT final. It was selfish and completely unnecessary. so was that reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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