Pardew says '...........'

[Pilchards]

It's just another game to us vs Portsmuff and that our main task is the league.

 

 

I'm slightly worried by those comments as he needs to know the score here.

Anyway my points is this.

 

Which current Saints players know the passion of the Southampton people?

The current squad leaves me with just Lallana & Mills, do you think the rest will have the passion or bottle to want it badly?

[StuRomseySaint]

Erm, if you read it again, he made them comments before the draw, I don't think he will be repeating them comments now.

[Andy_Porter]

If Jason Dodd is involved with the training in anyway I'm sure he will let them all know.

[Give it to Ron]

He is bang on...did you expect him to say "we will beat the fishy xxxxx"!"

Pardew has to play this down as much as possible we have a lot of important games between now and the FA cup game.

[keithd]

to the players and the club it IS just another game. its the fans that are making it what it is. it'll be the same for them, they have no locals, no idea on the history. and thats how it should be approached imho, in a level headed professional way, as soon as you start getting involved in other antics you're mind is taken off the focus of what is another game.

[StuRomseySaint]

It's just another game to us vs Portsmuff and that our main task is the league.

 

 

I'm slightly worried by those comments as he needs to know the score here.

Anyway my points is this.

 

Which current Saints players know the passion of the Southampton people?

The current squad leaves me with just Lallana & Mills, do you think the rest will have the passion or bottle to want it badly?

 

To answer your question, I think pretty much all of our squad will appreciate what a derby game means, with the exception of maybe Morgan and a that's about it.

[beatlesaint]

It's just another game to us vs Portsmuff and that our main task is the league.

 

 

I'm slightly worried by those comments as he needs to know the score here.

Anyway my points is this.

 

Which current Saints players know the passion of the Southampton people?

The current squad leaves me with just Lallana & Mills, do you think the rest will have the passion or bottle to want it badly?

 

Dont you think its a good plan for the manager to play it down then ?

Keep the players heads clear and focused on the next game etc then when we get to 10 Feb and Poopey are the next game then build the players up and make sure they are aware how important it is ?

 

Personally I'm glad he thinks like that, or should I say I'm glad he makes it look like he thinks that !

[StuRomseySaint]

*Ahem* As I said just now, he didn't make them comments in reaction to the draw being Pompey, he made the comments after the Ipswich win.

 

No team, club, player, cleaner, director, manager, coach of Southampton FC should be allowed to forget just what a win against P*rtmsouth means. That 90 minutes can turn the season round, it really can be the difference between a succesful season and a flop... regardless of what else happens.

 

This most definately is NOT just another game and I am sure Pardew feels exactly that now.

[BARCELONASAINT]

LOL, what the hell did you expect him to say??

He is hardly going to say "we cant wait to show that lot of crap down the road what areal football team is all about"

I am sure he has no doubt what this tie means to the fans of the club and i'm sure he will have the lads up for it come the day.

[The Godfather]

I think its AP's way of concentrating on the games between now and then. AP also stated it was a great draw for the fans and its a great test for us as we can give anybody a game at home. That quote was in the papers this morning.

[Panda]

AP plans to win every game, its what he does. He will plan to win this cup tie but he will try and stop unnecessary emotion and tension get in the way. The team will go out prepared to win, I just hope they do!

[Paul Chuckle]

I heard Pardew on Wave105 on way home and he said

'This is my 1st taste of a South coast derby & I have a good record as the underdog in the FA Cup'

 

didn't hear whole interview but I heard that. He sounded up for it

[Fitzhugh Fella]

At the end of the day beating Poopey will not feature highly on his cv whereas finishing near a play off position will.

 

Unfortunately these days managers have to keep more of an eye on the bigger picture and satisfying our rabid desires (my own included) by thrashing the skates pales into insignificance put up against a good showing in the bed and butter business of gaining promotion.

[Pilchards]

Erm, if you read it again, he made them comments before the draw, I don't think he will be repeating them comments now.

 

Erm, It was on Radio Solent at 7.20 this morning with the comments, This is Pardew's reaction to the draw.

 

 

I agree he could be playing it down but it would of been nice for him to say 'We will crush those skate *******s but in the mean time we are only focussed on the league now.'

[Toomer]

Lambert will understand what a derby means to the fans seeing where he was born.

Edited 25 January, 2010 by Toomer

[The9]

to the players and the club it IS just another game. its the fans that are making it what it is. it'll be the same for them, they have no locals, no idea on the history. and thats how it should be approached imho, in a level headed professional way, as soon as you start getting involved in other antics you're mind is taken off the focus of what is another game.

 

It bloody wasn't with the sh11thouses we sent down to Fratton last time.

[beatlesaint]

Unfortunately these days managers have to keep more of an eye on the bigger picture and satisfying our rabid desires (my own included) by thrashing the skates pales into insignificance put up against a good showing in the bed and butter business of gaining promotion.

 

You do mean BREAD and butter dont you Duncan ?

Bed and Skates should never be in the same sentence as far as I can see

[Supersubpuckett]

FFS - jim rosenthal almost shot his load when he saw our draw, anyone who knows anything about football will appreciate the excitement this game will create.

 

Jesus, some of you lot sound like a bunch of over melodramatic scousers the way you go on about it. APs probably playing it down to stop our players from getting too wound up.

 

It's going to be a ****ing brilliant day!

[JRM]

At the end of the day beating Poopey will not feature highly on his cv whereas finishing near a play off position will.

 

Unfortunately these days managers have to keep more of an eye on the bigger picture and satisfying our rabid desires (my own included) by thrashing the skates pales into insignificance put up against a good showing in the bed .

 

 

what has pardew's showing in bed got to do with it?

[Crab Lungs]

It is just the generic manager's quote you'd expect to hear.

 

 

I guarantee Pards will have them up for the game.

 

We all know the league is the priority anyway - and possibly after that the JPT but make no mistake, Saints will be pumped for this one.

[Wes Tender]

Everything is psychology, kidology, reverse psychology, mind games.

 

Of course Pardew knows all about local derbies and what they mean to the ordinary fans. But he doesn't want the forthcoming engagement between the two warring factions to become a distraction to the team while we have 4 matches in between.

 

On the eve of the match, if he feels it is necessary, he will tell the players what it means to us and suggest that as the fans have been magnificent this season, the players owe it to us to win as a way of thanking us. He will tell them that those who score goals against the Skates can obtain cult-hero status if their goals win the match for us. He can show them videos of previous encounters, to show how players like Moran were idolised for putting the Skates to the sword all those years ago. Then he can show them the disgrace that was our last match against them and make it clear that being beaten by a team two divisions above in a couple of weeks will not be a disgrace, but playing like those players did back then, with no backbone or application, is simply not acceptable.

 

Not that I think for one moment that our current crop would play like that. Generally we've got some good lads here at the moment.

[once_bitterne]

I would be far happier if we won the JPT than beat Pompey. A cup win is something tangible that will still be remembered in decades time and give us something to put alongside the FA Cup in the trophy cabinet.

 

Yes, it is good to beat our local rivals but it is only really life and death to the sort of people who stetch the rivaly to the extent of not being able to set foot in Portsmouth. (ie our very own Westwood's)

 

I'm very happy that Pardew is downplaying it. It's a game we have far more chance of losing and there are more important goals for this season.

 

Is there any fan out there who fondly rememebrs the 2004-05 season as 'the season we beat the Skates twice' and not as the season we were relegated?

[Fitzhugh Fella]

You do mean BREAD and butter dont you Duncan ?

Bed and Skates should never be in the same sentence as far as I can see

 

 

oops Freudian slip - this has nothing to do with Avram Grant

[Saint Charlie]

The league is our main priority and we have to do everything we can to try and get in the Playoffs. The Pompey game is a bonus, if we win then brilliant and if we lose its a shame but we will move on regardless.

[Wes Tender]

Lambert will understand what a derby means to the fans seeing where was born.

 

And of course, there was the Bristol City / Bristol Rovers rivalry too...

[saints_is_the_south]

The league is our main priority and we have to do everything we can to try and get in the Playoffs. The Pompey game is a bonus, if we win then brilliant and if we lose its a shame but we will move on regardless.

 

I wish it was a simple of that but losing to those skate c*nts especially at St Marys will take a while to get over whether we are 2 divisions below them or not!

[Saints foreva]

And of course, there was the Bristol City / Bristol Rovers rivalry too...

 

I seem to remember a couple seasons ago they played eachother in the JPT. Rovers were league two and City were league one.

 

Rovers won 1-0, Lambert with a screamer.

 

Same again Rickie?

 

[Rorytheking]

Actually in the video interview, Pardew says that he understands what a big game the South Coast Derby is for the fans and the club, and says, like you say, while the league remains the overall priority, we'll be doing everything we can for the win.

[once_bitterne]

oops Freudian slip - this has nothing to do with Avram Grant

 

Duncan, where do you stand on the local rivalry v. hatred debate? Some on here would like to think that it is all part of the history of football but in reality, while a friendly local rivalry existed since the clubs came into existance, the whole hatred thing where each side views the other as 7 fingered inbreds who deserve a good kicking, was only really something that came into being the late 60s/early 70s. With you in-depth knowledge of Saints history I'm sure you are aware that between the wars many fans held season tickets at both the Dell and Fratton Park so they could watch football every weekend. Also I remember when they were in the Cup final a couple of years back they re-printed the back page of a paper from the next day after they won the cup in the 40s and at the bottom of the page was the match report from the Saints game which reported on an uneventful draw where the biggest cheer of the day came when the announcer stated that Pompey had won the cup.

 

As I said a local rivalry is great but the hatred and trouble that will no doubt accompany this game is nothing short of moronic.

[wightman35]

I would be far happier if we won the JPT than beat Pompey. A cup win is something tangible that will still be remembered in decades time and give us something to put alongside the FA Cup in the trophy cabinet.

 

Yes, it is good to beat our local rivals but it is only really life and death to the sort of people who stetch the rivaly to the extent of not being able to set foot in Portsmouth. (ie our very own Westwood's)

 

I'm very happy that Pardew is downplaying it. It's a game we have far more chance of losing and there are more important goals for this season.

 

Is there any fan out there who fondly rememebrs the 2004-05 season as 'the season we beat the Skates twice' and not as the season we were relegated?

 

Nicely put, OB. I like AP's philosophy of "One game at a time!" as well.

[corsacar saint]

once bitterne, your last sentence is spot on.

[tonibell]

Pardew, Fergie, Wenger and Rafa are out at dinner. Pardew gets the beers in then Fergie then Wenger then Rafa. Pardew goes back to the bar and gets himself a drink. What the F-ck is going on the other managers ask.Well says Mr Pardew this is the 5th round and you lot ain't in it

[Joensuu]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1944245,00.html

[John B]

Pardew, Fergie, Wenger and Rafa are out at dinner. Pardew gets the beers in then Fergie then Wenger then Rafa. Pardew goes back to the bar and gets himself a drink. What the F-ck is going on the other managers ask.Well says Mr Pardew this is the 5th round and you lot ain't in it

 

Very Good

[corky morris]

Sensible comments from Pardew - as ever!

[Saint_clark]

Makes me feel special that Pardew was jumping around the room at exactly the same time as me

[red&white56]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1944245,00.html

 

Very level headed comments from Pards, very typical of him and I appreciate him even more for it!

[Paul75]

Pardew wants to win every game......so it is just another game

[itchen]

I heard Pardew on Wave105 on way home and he said

'This is my 1st taste of a South coast derby & I have a good record as the underdog in the FA Cup'

 

didn't hear whole interview but I heard that. He sounded up for it

 

Tell him he's not the underdog in this game.

[positivepete]

FFS - jim rosenthal almost shot his load when he saw our draw, anyone who knows anything about football will appreciate the excitement this game will create.

 

Jesus, some of you lot sound like a bunch of over melodramatic scousers the way you go on about it. APs probably playing it down to stop our players from getting too wound up.

 

It's going to be a ****ing brilliant day!

 

Just arrived in Aberdeen. As soon as the taxi driver clocked I was from Southampton he waxed lyrical about the cup draw and the rivalry, he was looking forward to watching the match on tele. As for Morgan not knowing about the rivalry, I am sure he has had enough nights out to know which "locals" are friendly and which are not!

[exit2]

If Jason Dodd is involved with the training in anyway I'm sure he will let them all know.

 

I spoke to JD about 30 secs after the draw. Believe me he will be telling them!

[SNSUN]

No-one in the entire club will be underestimating how important playing Pompey is, but we have 4 or 5 games to play before then, and that game must be put out of our heads. For now.

[Saintandy666]

It's probably for the best none of them knows what it is means and how important it is just yet... let them concentrate on all the games before that.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Duncan, where do you stand on the local rivalry v. hatred debate? Some on here would like to think that it is all part of the history of football but in reality, while a friendly local rivalry existed since the clubs came into existance, the whole hatred thing where each side views the other as 7 fingered inbreds who deserve a good kicking, was only really something that came into being the late 60s/early 70s. With you in-depth knowledge of Saints history I'm sure you are aware that between the wars many fans held season tickets at both the Dell and Fratton Park so they could watch football every weekend. Also I remember when they were in the Cup final a couple of years back they re-printed the back page of a paper from the next day after they won the cup in the 40s and at the bottom of the page was the match report from the Saints game which reported on an uneventful draw where the biggest cheer of the day came when the announcer stated that Pompey had won the cup.

 

As I said a local rivalry is great but the hatred and trouble that will no doubt accompany this game is nothing short of moronic.

 

Well OB I speak has someone who would not really lose too much sleep if PFC went out of business all together - that is a bit pathetic and nasty I know, especially as there must be some decent Pompey fans out there, but I just think 20 years from now Saints will be a better supported club thanks to people in Fareham, Bishops Waltham, Titchfield etc gravitating towards St Marys because there is nowhere else.

 

However the hatred thing has got out of hand now and I think someone could really get hurt one day or quite frankly killed which just does not bear thinking about. I think PFC fans started it all off with their bitter jealousy in the 70s and things have escalated.

 

My Dad used to cycle to Pompey in the 40s from So'ton to watch what was a good team but today he "distinctly dislikes" them. I remember going to Farton in 1966 and even as a kid not really having strong feelings either way but all that seems to have changed now and I don't think it will ever change back. Society is becoming incresingly polorised.

 

Tbh if you asked me would I prefer to get to Wembley in the JPT or beat PFC in the 5th round I would probably plump for the former because the day would linger longer in our folklore, and I am certain it is third on AP's priorities.

 

Times have indeed changed.

[oxfordshire_saint]

Pardew is a football man, he knows all too well what this means, no matter what he says in the media.

 

Same with the players, they don't live under a rock, even Papa Waigo isn't likely to walk on the field and think "what's all the fuss about?".

 

If you know anything about football then you know what a derby is and what it means to those in the stands. Whether it means anything to the players personally is irrelevant, they will all know what it means to us and therefore (I hope) will be busting a gut to get the win.

[david in sweden]

Well OB I speak has someone who would not really lose too much sleep if PFC went out of business all together - that is a bit pathetic and nasty I know, especially as there must be some decent Pompey fans out there, but I just think 20 years from now Saints will be a better supported club thanks to people in Fareham, Bishops Waltham, Titchfield etc gravitating towards St Marys because there is nowhere else.

 

However the hatred thing has got out of hand now and I think someone could really get hurt one day or quite frankly killed which just does not bear thinking about. I think PFC fans started it all off with their bitter jealousy in the 70s and things have escalated.

 

My Dad used to cycle to Pompey in the 40s from So'ton to watch what was a good team but today he "distinctly dislikes" them. I remember going to Farton in 1966 and even as a kid not really having strong feelings either way but all that seems to have changed now and I don't think it will ever change back. Society is becoming incresingly polorised.

Tbh if you asked me would I prefer to get to Wembley in the JPT or beat PFC in the 5th round I would probably plump for the former because the day would linger longer in our folklore, and I am certain it is third on AP's priorities.

Times have indeed changed.

 

As Duncan has commented... and a few others, too ..Pompey were the " top " side for decades having won the FA Cup in 1939 and a League Championship in the early 50's and Hampshire-based fans would happily travel to both grounds on alternate weeks. Later on,the two sides rarely met in the league until the early 1960's when both sides were in "old Div.2".

 

It was the era of football hooliganism, feelings worsened considerably (IMO) by the very physical encounters between our

5' 7" England winger Terry Paine and the 6' 4" Pomp*y left back Roy Lunnis. They had a real punch up every time the teams met and I think TP was sent off on at least one occasion.

This caused a lot of trouble between fans and it seemd to spill over. The hatred part seems to exist with a vocal minority.

With so many " foreign" players these days, and a lack of local players in the club, such a fixture means very little to most players, but is more deeply ingrained in the fan base, and is as much a derby game as Everton /Liverpool, Arsenal Spurs or City / Utd.

 

It a great shame that this "friendly rivalry" should manifest itself as hatred in the way it does.

Edited 25 January, 2010 by david in sweden

[Andy_Porter]

I spoke to JD about 30 secs after the draw. Believe me he will be telling them!

 

Just as long as the youngsters know it only takes a second in this game to become a legend.

[VectisSaint]

Duncan, where do you stand on the local rivalry v. hatred debate? Some on here would like to think that it is all part of the history of football but in reality, while a friendly local rivalry existed since the clubs came into existance, the whole hatred thing where each side views the other as 7 fingered inbreds who deserve a good kicking, was only really something that came into being the late 60s/early 70s. With you in-depth knowledge of Saints history I'm sure you are aware that between the wars many fans held season tickets at both the Dell and Fratton Park so they could watch football every weekend. Also I remember when they were in the Cup final a couple of years back they re-printed the back page of a paper from the next day after they won the cup in the 40s and at the bottom of the page was the match report from the Saints game which reported on an uneventful draw where the biggest cheer of the day came when the announcer stated that Pompey had won the cup.

 

As I said a local rivalry is great but the hatred and trouble that will no doubt accompany this game is nothing short of moronic.

Good post OB, and Duncan's reply is spot on as well. Good local rivalry is great but some of the stuff I've been reading on here since yesterday is quite frankly pathetic. But maybe thats because I am one of the "older" posters and was around before this rivalry became the hatred that it seems to have turned to now. I love putting one over on Pompey, don't get me wrong, but on the field. If people start looking for a kicking then quite honestly I'd rather not be a part of it. When I first started going to the Dell back in 66 there was hardly ever any mention of Pompey, at least not in a negative way, but mention Spurs and everyone would get agitated, they were our rivals then in my opinion. We were hardly ever in the same league as the Blue few so they became somewhat irrelevant. I lived in Cosham for 2 years and regularly went to midweek games at Nottarf Krap (usually in the away end) and many of my family are Pompey supporters, indeed it was my old man, a Pompey man through and through who took me to my first game at the Dell, found someone else to keep an eye on me for later games and never set foot in the place again - little did he know that his Grandmother was born a stone's thrown from St Marys

 

In my opinion the more AP focuses on the things that are important for the future of this club this season the better, and I see that as getting as many points in the League first and foremost to see if we can gatecrash the play-offs, then to win the JPT (our trophy room is sadly lacking in silverware after nearly 125 years) and only then beating Pompey to reach the 6th round. Have to say I was disappointed that we drew them, it was looking good for a game against WBA or Reading and that would have meant a good day/night out with some mates from up north. But make no mistake, on the day I will be crapping myself and hoping like everyone else that we get one over the Skates.

[Red And White Barmy Army]

the players must go in2 the game with the psychology of 'just another game'. some of the boys will shrink under the pressure and expectation if they don't. some (not all) of our boys are just not used to and will be afraid of a 'huge local derby' which means as much as the entire season to some fans.

 

the hype is great for a short while, but we shouldn't get carried away. the players need to know it's important so that they're motivated, but pushing a couple over the edge could make our team look like we only have 8/9 players come valentines day.

[Nineteen Canteen]

Good post OB, and Duncan's reply is spot on as well. Good local rivalry is great but some of the stuff I've been reading on here since yesterday is quite frankly pathetic. But maybe thats because I am one of the "older" posters and was around before this rivalry became the hatred that it seems to have turned to now. I love putting one over on Pompey, don't get me wrong, but on the field. If people start looking for a kicking then quite honestly I'd rather not be a part of it. When I first started going to the Dell back in 66 there was hardly ever any mention of Pompey, at least not in a negative way, but mention Spurs and everyone would get agitated, they were our rivals then in my opinion. We were hardly ever in the same league as the Blue few so they became somewhat irrelevant. I lived in Cosham for 2 years and regularly went to midweek games at Nottarf Krap (usually in the away end) and many of my family are Pompey supporters, indeed it was my old man, a Pompey man through and through who took me to my first game at the Dell, found someone else to keep an eye on me for later games and never set foot in the place again - little did he know that his Grandmother was born a stone's thrown from St Marys

 

In my opinion the more AP focuses on the things that are important for the future of this club this season the better, and I see that as getting as many points in the League first and foremost to see if we can gatecrash the play-offs, then to win the JPT (our trophy room is sadly lacking in silverware after nearly 125 years) and only then beating Pompey to reach the 6th round. Have to say I was disappointed that we drew them, it was looking good for a game against WBA or Reading and that would have meant a good day/night out with some mates from up north. But make no mistake, on the day I will be crapping myself and hoping like everyone else that we get one over the Skates.

 

Excellent post and completely agree with it's sentiments. I come from a family where my Grandad use to attend both Saints and Pompey home games cycling down from Romsey and then Winchester to attend games either side of WWII. My Mum and Uncle are both avid Saints fans in their 70s and both will comment positively if they hear Pompey have won. I don't share that philosophy but neither do I share the vitriolic and absurd hatred that exists that at times makes the Rangers / Celtic rivalry seem harmless.

 

This game whatever the result will damage our season and AP will have his hands full managing the media and ensuring his players don't look beyond the next game. I wanted us to progress as far as we could in the FA Cup and be one of those few team in League 1 who reach the last 8 or even 4 and a home tie preferably against Reading and the Derby would have been far more enjoyable (I too will be crapping myself at the thought of losing) and less damaging to our overall objectives.