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http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/8345452.Pardew_plays_the_waiting_game/

 

"Pardew believes that as business continues to take place elsewhere during the window that better players than are currently on the market will become available, allowing Saints to pounce. "

 

Am I missing something here? Shouldn't we be the ones getting the better players that are available rather than waiting for what's left over.

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I'm assuming the idea is that we are a few steps down the food chain. E.g world class player moves to Man City for £40m, they then make pretty decent player available to,say, Bolton Wanderers for £4m, who in turn then sell on one of their players to, say, Nottm Forest for £1.5m. This then makes Forest's Nathan Tyson surplus to requirements and we snap him up for, say, 600k. But we need to wait for a domino effect above us before this becomes feasible.

 

I'm not 100% convinced of this logic, but it's not obvious madness.

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I'm assuming the idea is that we are a few steps down the food chain. E.g world class player moves to Man City for £40m, they then make pretty decent player available to,say, Bolton Wanderers for £4m, who in turn then sell on one of their players to, say, Nottm Forest for £1.5m. This then makes Forest's Nathan Tyson surplus to requirements and we snap him up for, say, 600k. But we need to wait for a domino effect above us before this becomes feasible.

 

I'm not 100% convinced of this logic, but it's not obvious madness.

 

We should be going for the 40m world class player FFS

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You are too diplomatic. I think it is B*ll*cks.

 

 

You have a set budget and can either

 

a) Spend it quickly on good options or

b) Be a little more pragmatic and wait for the market to possibly trigger a load of better options.

 

It may be a gamble.... but hardly 'b*ll*cks.'

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You have a set budget and can either

 

a) Spend it quickly on good options or

b) Be a little more pragmatic and wait for the market to possibly trigger a load of better options.

 

It may be a gamble.... but hardly 'b*ll*cks.'

 

Following b) could leave us with nothing. You do know that, right ?

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Just give Reading close to what they want for Antonio, or go find someone else who can do the same job. And do it quick because without pace and creativity we are going nowhere fast.

 

i think that's what we've done.

 

according to some reports reading wanted over £1m for Antonio which is complete and utter madness

 

this other guy (Prado) is more experienced, probably isn't as quick, but is around 300k cheaper.

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Just give Reading close to what they want for Antonio, or go find someone else who can do the same job. And do it quick because without pace and creativity we are going nowhere fast.

 

Slight correction "We are nowhere now!"

 

"Playing the waiting game" is a not too subtle euphomism for the reality of our situation that the effing idiots who pass themselves off as scouts haven't got an effing clue about who to buy or which positions need filling!

 

Either Pardew has targets or he has not.

 

What on earth is the use of picking up any old player who just happens to have been released by a higher division club, whatever his pedigree. FFS we are supposed to be building a team to storm this league not just than handing out a set of kit to any bloody journeyman who happens to take the King's shilling?

 

Somebody please tell me it's only a dream.

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Following b) could leave us with nothing. You do know that, right ?

Whilst following (a) could leave us with a squad of mediocrity, you do know that, right?

What AP is doing is what most clubs with money do, most big deals are done within the last day or two of the transfer window. On top of that for the League the loan window is also available, once the PL clubs have named their 25 man squads, new dimension to transfer this year. Anyway, we have signed Guly so thats one step nearer haveing the squad we need (1 down, 3 to go, Backup for RL, pacy wide MF and possibly CB if Jaidi is as bad as he looked on Saturday) .

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Is this 'waiting game' possibly connected with the 25 man squad legislation for this season?

 

yes Mr. Ron Manager that is exactly what is happening... which I think will be proven when the 25 are submitted and then all of the Championship and FL teams start to squabble for the leftovers... a new factor for this season....!!!!

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In some ways the Guly loan may be making it more difficult for Pardew. He's got a player who may be fantastic but hasn't played in English football and who is relatively unknown. That it's a gamble is indicated by the loan deal before the option to buy. So has this limited Pardew's ability to bring in another MF player who might be tried and tested with an English club? But by the time he's had a chance to try Guly out, the window will be closed.

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In some ways the Guly loan may be making it more difficult for Pardew. He's got a player who may be fantastic but hasn't played in English football and who is relatively unknown. That it's a gamble is indicated by the loan deal before the option to buy. So has this limited Pardew's ability to bring in another MF player who might be tried and tested with an English club? But by the time he's had a chance to try Guly out, the window will be closed.

 

Yep, and it will be January before he can do anything more.

 

But apparently to most on here there is no risk :rolleyes:

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In some ways the Guly loan may be making it more difficult for Pardew. He's got a player who may be fantastic but hasn't played in English football and who is relatively unknown. That it's a gamble is indicated by the loan deal before the option to buy. So has this limited Pardew's ability to bring in another MF player who might be tried and tested with an English club? But by the time he's had a chance to try Guly out, the window will be closed.

 

Yep, and it will be January before he can do anything more.

 

But apparently to most on here there is no risk :rolleyes:

 

You're both right. I wish we'd never signed this Guly character. He's going to cost us promotion, for sure.

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Yep, and it will be January before he can do anything more.

 

But apparently to most on here there is no risk :rolleyes:

 

may - may - may

 

could it not be that he turns out to be brilliant?

 

why are people (not necessarily you) so bloody negative all the time - it must be a real scream being around some people.

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Yep, and it will be January before he can do anything more.

 

But apparently to most on here there is no risk :rolleyes:

 

you might want to change that broken record as its simply not true. We signed Jardi on September 3rd, Waigo on September 1st and Antonio on the 5th October.

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No it won't, he can still bring in loans. Cast your mind back, when have we last been left with "nothing?"

 

What, the loans that have left us with these f**k-off great holes in the squad in the first place? I dont like loans, and I have given my reasons. Their agenda is completely selfish.

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This transfer window, is very different to most others. The 25 man squad rule in the Prem, is going to throw up a whole host of very capable players. Whether we can attract any of those, remains to be seen, but the knock on effect will come down the food chain and there will be players available that will be playing league one football this year, that would have dismissed it out of hand last year.

Guly has come on loan with an option to buy - Try before you buy, perfectly reasonable approach. I am guessing that we will take other loans, but if proven players are available and within budget, they when will sign them.

 

All guess work, but I think Pardew is absolutely right to wait.

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What, the loans that have left us with these f**k-off great holes in the squad in the first place? I dont like loans, and I have given my reasons. Their agenda is completely selfish.

 

 

My last contribution to this site, as you've all become a bunch a f u c k t a r d s.

 

What you're saying "alps" is that Pardew should be approaching whosoever he chooses, waving wads of cash at player, agent and club, in order to secure his target players, regardless of cost?

 

You have no grasp on the reality of football finance and how ML/NC are keen to prevent Saints going down the same path as so many others.

 

Some players are available, some are not.

Some players want long term deals on big wages, others are only "affordable" if we loan them first to see how they fit with our squad/style/league

Some players just won't drop down to Div 3 - no matter what

 

AP has stated he won't sign "journeymen looking for one last pay day".. he's not interested in good/great players if their motivation is money and not the challenge Saints offers. Do you take issue with that?

 

AP has stated he will sign another player or two - his "previous" for signings has proven excellent.... who moaned when we signed an unknown striker from an Italian Serie A club? Many did. Who moaned when signed a bloke no-one had heard of who couldn't get close to his club's team at the Madejski? Many did!?!

 

We have played two home games in the league. Both were "pressure" games - league favourites/live on sky/fans expectation/owner memorial/home side etc etc etc There are still 44 league matches to be played and Saints will rise gently through the league to end up floating nicely at the top. Don't fret so much over scoring your points on here - it's bad for your health! Relax a bit, give the people entrusted with our club some leeway to do their jobs and enjoy the ride.

 

Jeez. Too many people got grudges/axes to grind and heads up their own a r s e s to recognise that we have a great chance this season, whether we sign more players or not. The squad we have is perfectly capable of getting us promoted this year. As with any/every other team in the division players will have good games and bad games. None of our players are "rubbish footballers" - not even Wootton. At this level, players are inconsistent, of they weren't they'd be playing at a higher level.

 

On Tuesday, the players "responsible" for our defeat were Fonte and Lambert, but did anyone slate them? No, and rightly so. Just remember that when others make mistakes or perform below par.

 

Its a marathon, not a sprint. Never before has a saying been so true.

 

No need to reply. I'm out of here.

 

:-(

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More if's buts and maybes.

 

Surely a postmortem should be held after the window shuts? Not while it is in progress.

 

While we wait the more my excitement builds to be fair. Pardew and Cortese are not stupid and a pragmatic view is often far more effective then an instantaneous one.

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What, the loans that have left us with these f**k-off great holes in the squad in the first place? I dont like loans, and I have given my reasons. Their agenda is completely selfish.

 

Loans fill the holes in the squad until a better permanent player can be signed. If we hadn't got Antonio and Waigo on loan last season we probably wouldn't have had the chance to see our team lift a trophy at Wembley.

 

Likewise if we hadn't got Lucketti and Wright on loan we'd have got relegated from the Championship a darn sight quicker. Not quite sure how 'their agenda is completely selfish' though. Maybe, just maybe some players come on loan to clubs so they can play football and improve their game in a competitive atmosphere rather than being stuck in reserve teams. They will do this to the best of their ability to help the team they are playing for.

 

Signing players isn't that easy. There's no magic wand to wave over players to persuade them to join a club. We can identify targets and make offers which other clubs can turn down. Even if they accept the deal the players may not want to join for many reasons.

 

As far as I'm concerned Pardew is on ok manager. We could do better, but could also do a lot worse, nut I'm not going to start criticising him for matters that are often beyond his control.

 

Just lighten up and stop being so antagonistic please.

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Loans fill the holes in the squad until a better permanent player can be signed. If we hadn't got Antonio and Waigo on loan last season we probably wouldn't have had the chance to see our team lift a trophy at Wembley.

 

Likewise if we hadn't got Lucketti and Wright on loan we'd have got relegated from the Championship a darn sight quicker. Not quite sure how 'their agenda is completely selfish' though. Maybe, just maybe some players come on loan to clubs so they can play football and improve their game in a competitive atmosphere rather than being stuck in reserve teams. They will do this to the best of their ability to help the team they are playing for.

 

Signing players isn't that easy. There's no magic wand to wave over players to persuade them to join a club. We can identify targets and make offers which other clubs can turn down. Even if they accept the deal the players may not want to join for many reasons.

 

As far as I'm concerned Pardew is on ok manager. We could do better, but could also do a lot worse, nut I'm not going to start criticising him for matters that are often beyond his control.

 

Just lighten up and stop being so antagonistic please.

 

Please don't use personal insults. Apline has alread been severely abused by sadoldgit and is naturally quite upset aout it all.

 

Thanks,

Deppo.

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Loans fill the holes in the squad until a better permanent player can be signed. If we hadn't got Antonio and Waigo on loan last season we probably wouldn't have had the chance to see our team lift a trophy at Wembley.

 

Likewise if we hadn't got Lucketti and Wright on loan we'd have got relegated from the Championship a darn sight quicker. Not quite sure how 'their agenda is completely selfish' though. Maybe, just maybe some players come on loan to clubs so they can play football and improve their game in a competitive atmosphere rather than being stuck in reserve teams. They will do this to the best of their ability to help the team they are playing for.

 

Signing players isn't that easy. There's no magic wand to wave over players to persuade them to join a club. We can identify targets and make offers which other clubs can turn down. Even if they accept the deal the players may not want to join for many reasons.

 

As far as I'm concerned Pardew is on ok manager. We could do better, but could also do a lot worse, nut I'm not going to start criticising him for matters that are often beyond his control.

 

Just lighten up and stop being so antagonistic please.

 

Do you see a contradiction in the point I've highlighted ? I do. OK, we had Antonio and Papa on loan, but we have not secured the services of either permanently or found better players.

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Do you see a contradiction in the point I've highlighted ? I do. OK, we had Antonio and Papa on loan, but we have not secured the services of either permanently or found better players.

 

No. Because we've been left in this position due to administration and having to build a new squad in no time at all. To get a full complement of permanent players in last season would never have happened. This season is a knock on from that. Also, every squad has holes in it. I doubt there's a manager in the world who is 100% happy with his squad. Even Barcelona want more players.

 

It appears we have been trying to get Antonio, and Guly will hopefully be better than Waigo. I'm sure we've also been after plenty of other permanent players, it's just with the tight ship we now run in that respect there's less rumours. I don't think for a minute that our management team have sat down over the summer twiddling their thumbs while waiting to just snaffle a couple of loan signings before the deadline.

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This transfer window, is very different to most others. The 25 man squad rule in the Prem, is going to throw up a whole host of very capable players. Whether we can attract any of those, remains to be seen, but the knock on effect will come down the food chain and there will be players available that will be playing league one football this year, that would have dismissed it out of hand last year.

Guly has come on loan with an option to buy - Try before you buy, perfectly reasonable approach. I am guessing that we will take other loans, but if proven players are available and within budget, they when will sign them.

 

All guess work, but I think Pardew is absolutely right to wait.

 

I agree with that, the dynamics of the transfer market have changed and the smart managers will be keeping an eye out for bargains to drop down into the murky depths of lge 1.

 

AP is keeping his powder dry because he thinks that we can pick up some tasty goodies as squads are pruned.

 

The reality is that we want top 2 this year and already have a decent squad (despite the hysterics on here).

 

Therefore it follows that we have to sign better players than teams lower down the league. That means we have to be more patient as better players can afford to be more choosy - we are competing with Coke outfits in many cases.

 

Being as one of APs biggest strengths IMO has been his signings why don't we just wait and see what he can get.

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I agree with that, the dynamics of the transfer market have changed and the smart managers will be keeping an eye out for bargains to drop down into the murky depths of lge 1.

 

AP is keeping his powder dry because he thinks that we can pick up some tasty goodies as squads are pruned.

 

The reality is that we want top 2 this year and already have a decent squad (despite the hysterics on here).

 

Therefore it follows that we have to sign better players than teams lower down the league. That means we have to be more patient as better players can afford to be more choosy - we are competing with Coke outfits in many cases.

 

Being as one of APs biggest strengths IMO has been his signings why don't we just wait and see what he can get.

 

You dont understand the tetchiness considering how late its being left and how much is riding on him getting it right ?

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