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Don't change a winning team. Guly to start.

 

but it's relative, Tranmere were crap and surrendered the midfield from the kick off, Huddersfield won't be so dire and they'll contest

every ball; You can't base anything whatsoever on a 2-0 victory over Tranmere. We need to play our best available side and not that which had a bit of a Saturday stroll against a pile of shîte.

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but it's relative, Tranmere were crap and surrendered the midfield from the kick off, Huddersfield won't be so dire and they'll contest

every ball; You can't base anything whatsoever on a 2-0 victory over Tranmere. We need to play our best available side and not that which had a bit of a Saturday stroll against a pile of shîte.

 

Saturday was the best I have seen us play for a rather long time. You cannot compare Tranmere and Huddersfuield, true, yet I see no reason to disrupt a team that's building a rhythm.

 

Worst case scenario... we have one hell of an impact substitute by starting with Guly.

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I'd start with Guly and Barnard - and then substitute Guly for Lambert at some point early in the second half!

 

The movement of Guly and Barnard would cause any teams in this division real problems - and after Guly's match winning performance last Saturday he has to start - plus he would work better with Barnard than with Lambert. Barnard would make the runs and find the space in front of Guly - not something Lambert was doing.

 

Also Lambert needs a kick up the arse, a rest or shock therapy to get him playing at the his best again - and this might just do it!

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Guly was fantastic he really was, but i wonder what he will be like against a tough battling team that have more about them then a very poor Tranmere side.

 

Its a hard choice, and one thankfully i will not be judged to make. It all depends how Adkins sets the team up against them, Saturday was the best i have seen us play for years and years, even PL ones. So hopefully more of the same, i just wonder if Guly will lose his confidence a bit if he is continually closed down and his clever flicks are mopped up ??

 

I don't know who to start really, what i do know is we now have fantastic options with Barnard-Guly, Barnard-Lambert, Lambert-Guly.

 

If we keep Guly and Chaplow i honestly think (with the return of Richardson) we are more or less a complete team, perhaps a young hungry striker is also needed.

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After last week I'm sure Nigel said Guly's fitness levels needed working on after he went off with cramp. I'd start with Guly and then bring on Barnard TBH. Despite not being in very good shape Lambert is still our top scorer and he won't find last years goal scoring form sitting on the bench. Also there is the chance that Barney will come in for a lot of stick from the home fans after recent events how he wiull react to that I'm not sure but it might be any issue.

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I'd start with Guly and Barnard - and then substitute Guly for Lambert at some point early in the second half!

 

The movement of Guly and Barnard would cause any teams in this division real problems - and after Guly's match winning performance last Saturday he has to start - plus he would work better with Barnard than with Lambert. Barnard would make the runs and find the space in front of Guly - not something Lambert was doing.

 

Also Lambert needs a kick up the arse, a rest or shock therapy to get him playing at the his best again - and this might just do it!

I don't think you are watching Lambert closely enough. He is doing a lot of work coming deep collecting and linking play. You should watch what he does without the ball too. Lambert doesn't too many runs but his skills lie in different areas....

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I'd start with Guly and Barnard - and then substitute Guly for Lambert at some point early in the second half!

 

The movement of Guly and Barnard would cause any teams in this division real problems - and after Guly's match winning performance last Saturday he has to start - plus he would work better with Barnard than with Lambert. Barnard would make the runs and find the space in front of Guly - not something Lambert was doing.

 

Also Lambert needs a kick up the arse, a rest or shock therapy to get him playing at the his best again - and this might just do it!

 

You would drop a player who has scored 3 goals in the last 2 matches?

 

I'm glad you're not the manager!

 

I would start with Guly in an AMF position, with Rickie up top. As others have said, Huddersfield have a better midfield than Tranmere; therefore, it makes sense to play an extra midfielder at their place as opposed to a straight 4-4-2. Bring Barney on later as and when needed.

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Rickie has scored 3 goals in the last two matches - but weren't two of those from penalties - and of the 4 goals he has scored so far only 1 has been from open play

 

he does add a lot to the team when fully fit and raring to go - but he is not firing on all cylinders at the moment - surely you can see that

 

perhaps its the kick-up the arse he needs - starting on the bench - to jump start his form and fitness - or perhaps its a rest on the bench so he can get fully fit or shake of an injury he's carrying!

 

maybe the problem was I was watching Lambert too closely - lets not turn him into the Messiah - he's not Matt Le Tissier - he just a player that's a bit short of form and fitness at the moment (and only a blind man would dney that!)

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Tough as it would be on both players I would start with neither. On merit Guly deserves the shirt after last week but this is a must win game. Huddersfield are our main title rivals imo.

 

Huddersfield have a superb midfield and the game will be won/lost there. I would start Lambert on his own up top with morgan/hammond/chappers in the middle with lallana and puncheon coming in from the flanks.

 

Guly and Barney are amazing bench options at this level and I would start them there.

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Rickie has scored 3 goals in the last two matches - but weren't two of those from penalties - and of the 4 goals he has scored so far only 1 has been from open play

 

he does add a lot to the team when fully fit and raring to go - but he is not firing on all cylinders at the moment - surely you can see that

 

perhaps its the kick-up the arse he needs - starting on the bench - to jump start his form and fitness - or perhaps its a rest on the bench so he can get fully fit or shake of an injury he's carrying!

 

maybe the problem was I was watching Lambert too closely - lets not turn him into the Messiah - he's not Matt Le Tissier - he just a player that's a bit short of form and fitness at the moment (and only a blind man would dney that!)

 

you are so wrong. top scorer, 3 goals in 2 games. visibly improved by 100% when his header went in. the confidence and more importantly his touch is returning.

 

anyone who would drop lambert after last saturdays performance clearly has a limited grasp of football imo

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Tough as it would be on both players I would start with neither. On merit Guly deserves the shirt after last week but this is a must win game. Huddersfield are our main title rivals imo.

 

Huddersfield have a superb midfield and the game will be won/lost there. I would start Lambert on his own up top with morgan/hammond/chappers in the middle with lallana and puncheon coming in from the flanks.

 

Guly and Barney are amazing bench options at this level and I would start them there.

 

I think I tend towards this point of view. If I had to choose over the two of them, then Guly would get the shout with Barnie off the bench.

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Its barnard for me to replaced by guly with 30mins left.i just feel that in this away game agaisnt one of the leagues better teams we cant afford guly to try to many little flicks & tricks that risk giving the ball away to cheaply and to often putting us on the back foot.

but who ever plays he will do the job for us and i fancy a 2/3-1 win. coyr

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I think Barnard should start as Huddlesfield are a physically defensive minded team and therefore barnard would be ideal in countering

their physical defensive tactics. Ig Guly was to start I believe they would give him very little room to produce his skills and therefore render him in active.

 

By using Barnard we are more likely to score which would thus open up the game as Huddlesfield would be looking to get a goal or two back , If an when that happens then bring on guly. Which would force huddlesfied to revert back to a defensive tatics

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Huddersfield have a very attacking side and score goals. Our best chance could come from quick counters unless we can take the game by the scruff of the neck. I would play 5 across the middle with Guly playing the more advanced central figure. With Lallana and Puncheon starting to produce we will always have several match winning options open to us. Chaplow could easily end up coming on late to stiffen the midfield if needed.

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Rickie has scored 3 goals in the last two matches - but weren't two of those from penalties - and of the 4 goals he has scored so far only 1 has been from open play

 

he does add a lot to the team when fully fit and raring to go - but he is not firing on all cylinders at the moment - surely you can see that

 

perhaps its the kick-up the arse he needs - starting on the bench - to jump start his form and fitness - or perhaps its a rest on the bench so he can get fully fit or shake of an injury he's carrying!

 

maybe the problem was I was watching Lambert too closely - lets not turn him into the Messiah - he's not Matt Le Tissier - he just a player that's a bit short of form and fitness at the moment (and only a blind man would dney that!)

you are so wrong. top scorer, 3 goals in 2 games. visibly improved by 100% when his header went in. the confidence and more importantly his touch is returning.

 

anyone who would drop lambert after last saturdays performance clearly has a limited grasp of football imo

 

I don't believe I would drop Ricky, but you must have a limited grasp on the bleeding obvious to see something is not right with Ricky. I was talking to an Arsenal season ticket holder who went along to the Tranmere game and saw Ricky for the first time, commenting upon how unfit he was and whether he was carrying an injury. That woke me up a tad and made me wonder that the progress he has made recently comes from such a low base?

 

There would be a very strong case for starting with Guly and Bernard up front if both were fully fit. But that is not the case and it makes sense to stick with Ricky even though he is off his best. Adkins knows exactly what is best for the team and I am sure he will make the correct decision, we can only guess who delivers in training.

 

The one thing that does concern is getting Ricky back to full fitness, how ever that is done. If Adkins believes that resting Ricky is the best option to achieve that, I would not argue.

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Guly, then a 30 minute tear around for Barnard once their defence has tired.

 

There would be a very strong case for starting with Guly and Bernard up front

 

He was bad enough at full back under twitchy, no way would I want to see him up front.

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I think Barnard should start as Huddlesfield are a physically defensive minded team and therefore barnard would be ideal in countering

their physical defensive tactics. Ig Guly was to start I believe they would give him very little room to produce his skills and therefore render him in active.

 

By using Barnard we are more likely to score which would thus open up the game as Huddlesfield would be looking to get a goal or two back , If an when that happens then bring on guly. Which would force huddlesfied to revert back to a defensive tatics

 

Huddersfield have a very attacking side and score goals. Our best chance could come from quick counters unless we can take the game by the scruff of the neck. I would play 5 across the middle with Guly playing the more advanced central figure. With Lallana and Puncheon starting to produce we will always have several match winning options open to us. Chaplow could easily end up coming on late to stiffen the midfield if needed.

 

glad we sorted that one out

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They had a good attacking sid elast year, but the odd highlights I have seen this year would suggest they are more defensive minded

this season. But to balance the debate it is still too early in the season to make a clear judgement on teams

 

However I think with us the do fear us and will take up a defensive role against us hoping to hit us on the break

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I don't believe I would drop Ricky, but you must have a limited grasp on the bleeding obvious to see something is not right with Ricky. I was talking to an Arsenal season ticket holder who went along to the Tranmere game and saw Ricky for the first time, commenting upon how unfit he was and whether he was carrying an injury. That woke me up a tad and made me wonder that the progress he has made recently comes from such a low base?

 

There would be a very strong case for starting with Guly and Bernard up front if both were fully fit. But that is not the case and it makes sense to stick with Ricky even though he is off his best. Adkins knows exactly what is best for the team and I am sure he will make the correct decision, we can only guess who delivers in training.

 

The one thing that does concern is getting Ricky back to full fitness, how ever that is done. If Adkins believes that resting Ricky is the best option to achieve that, I would not argue.

 

Where did I state in my comment that I thought he was playing as he did last year and where did i say that i thought he was 100% match fit. If you take the time to engage your brain and take in what i wrote you would appreciate that but alas you didnt.

 

My comment was that after his headed goal his touch and his confidence were visably returning. Add that to that the fact he is our top scorer this season, has scored 3 in 2 games also could have had at least another 2 against tranmere and you you can start to see why only a fool would drop him. Or do you still not grasp it?

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Start with Guly defo and then chuck Barnard on for the last 30 minutes, to replace whichever of Guly or Lambert looks more knackered (& depending on how the game's going!). I think if we intend to persist with runners from midfield joining the attack, then Guly's clever flicks and lay-offs could be key to opening up the Huddersfield defence.

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Where did I state in my comment that I thought he was playing as he did last year and where did i say that i thought he was 100% match fit. If you take the time to engage your brain and take in what i wrote you would appreciate that but alas you didnt.

 

My comment was that after his headed goal his touch and his confidence were visably returning. Add that to that the fact he is our top scorer this season, has scored 3 in 2 games also could have had at least another 2 against tranmere and you you can start to see why only a fool would drop him. Or do you still not grasp it?

 

Let's see what you actually posted, where your overwhelming point is that you would have to be an idiot to drop Ricky. My main point being that it is far from idiotic and a practical assessment of the position we are in, even though I do not agree with it.

 

quote_icon.png Originally Posted by wild-saint viewpost-right.png

you are so wrong. top scorer, 3 goals in 2 games. visibly improved by 100% when his header went in. the confidence and more importantly his touch is returning.

 

anyone who would drop lambert after last saturdays performance clearly has a limited grasp of football imo

Now other posters have pointed out that the mobility of Barnard to get onto Guly's flicks and through balls is more of a possibility because of his better mobility over Ricky, which is unquestionable. I believe they have a very strong point, added by the increased support they would add to the team in defence, one that I would agree totally with if they were both fully match fit. As it is I would favour keeping things as they were against Tranmere. Although I am not in favour of dropping Ricky, the logic is far from idiotic to do so. What is idiotic is to say the option has no merit.
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Guly was in a class on his own on Saturday, for skill only Lallana is close to him but in a different way. Admittedly Lee Barnard gives loads of effort but is very orthodox and somewhat predictable, his movement and link up play is good but I would much rather have him playing against us than Guly. If Lambert continues his improvement, together with the Puncheon revival and a now match fit Lallana, a dynamic Guly is much more likely to open up Huddersfield and give us a start rather than have to play catch up later in the game. Our central midfield looks so much stronger now with an improved Hammond, box to Box Chaplow and Schneiderlin available. With the footballing style adopted by Nigel Adkins we still have a bit to go before we are using possession at pace, it is only a matter of time and familiarity. For that reason I think the unpredictability, pace and form of Guly is a bigger asset at the start.

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Huddersfield concede on average over a goal a game at home this season.

 

There is no reason why we shouldn't go there expecting to score at least two. Our defence has been very solid of late.

 

For that reason I would not make any changes (except perhaps in relation to the central midfield dilemma of DH/MS/RC). If we play well, we will win.

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Huddersfield concede on average over a goal a game at home this season.

 

There is no reason why we shouldn't go there expecting to score at least two. Our defence has been very solid of late.

 

For that reason I would not make any changes (except perhaps in relation to the central midfield dilemma of DH/MS/RC). If we play well, we will win.

 

I don't know with the exception of Bristol (were apparently we were crap and scored four lucky deflections) we've hardly been prolific in front of goal this season we squandered a hat full of chances on Saturday (which has been the story of our season so far). We need to be far more clinical in front of goal against a poor side like Tranmere you can get away with it some times but Huddersfield are a much stronger side.

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I don't know with the exception of Bristol (were apparently we were crap and scored four lucky deflections) we've hardly been prolific in front of goal this season we squandered a hat full of chances on Saturday (which has been the story of our season so far). We need to be far more clinical in front of goal against a poor side like Tranmere you can get away with it some times but Huddersfield are a much stronger side.

 

We have been missing chances, f'sure, but you can't assume we will continue to miss them. We are creating loads and are tight at the back; it's up to our players to take the chances when they come. It's not as though we don't have goalscorers.

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We have been missing chances, f'sure, but you can't assume we will continue to miss them. We are creating loads and are tight at the back; it's up to our players to take the chances when they come. It's not as though we don't have goalscorers.

 

well you can't really assume they'll find their shooting boots against hudders either. I hope they do but on current form our strikers haven't been scoring as many as the probably should considering the chances they've had

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Guly for me. While Barnard has been more effective away from home but I am always concerned that his effort and running are the best parts of his game an he needs a lot of chances to get a goal, hitting the keeper as often as getting it past him. Guly might be a flash in the pan but he did enough on Saturday to earn the shirt for tomorrow.

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