S-Clarke Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Everton Lead. This is a great match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Lukaku. 3-2 Everton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Doesn't say a lot for the fans on here if you think one team change dictates the result of a football match.. its a squad game, get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 well, highlights the need for a big squad. having the likes of osvaldo help the other end (although, you would not think it on here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Doesn't say a lot for the fans on here if you think one team change dictates the result of a football match.. its a squad game, get over it. I admit some of the responses are over the top but you're an idiot if you think this doesn't make us significantly weaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewYorkSaint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Wow. Liverpool won't win now. We could go top. Please, Jos and Jose. Time for the game of your lives! I think Osvaldo scores in 80th min for historic win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Doesn't say a lot for the fans on here if you think one team change dictates the result of a football match.. its a squad game, get over it. The drop in quality from Lovren to Hooiveld is bigger than most changes we can make (Shaw and Boruc the other big ones). For example you'd be less worried if Lambert had to be replaced by Osvaldo. I'm not saying we can't get a result today, but it has now become a lot more difficult after our ever present centre back partnership has just been split up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Wow. Liverpool won't win now. We could go top. Please, Jos and Jose. Time for the game of your lives! I think Osvaldo scores in 80th min for historic win! that would be 2-1 to us then, think JWP will score today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 I admit some of the responses are over the top but you're an idiot if you think this doesn't make us significantly weaker. It could make us significantly weaker. Lovren's biggest contribution has been as the leader of an exceptionally well drilled and dedicated unit. Hooiveld may lack the individual ability but if the team retains its confidence and organisation we may not see too big a drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 well, highlights the need for a big squad. having the likes of osvaldo help the other end (although, you would not think it on here) Yup. Unfortunately he keeps the back four organised and if there's one team you need an organised back four against, it's Arsenal. Need a big game from Big Vic, especially with no Cork. 3:15 KK now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Doesn't say a lot for the fans on here if you think one team change dictates the result of a football match.. its a squad game, get over it. Unfortunately it probably will dictate it. This one change is a pretty clear example of why we're not quite in the same bracket as the current top 6, we don't have the depth. Starting 11 - brilliant. But if we start losing members of that 11, which will happen over the season, we don't have real quality to step in. I'm not saying we need equals on the bench, but if we're honest -as good a bloke as he is - Jos is not a PL footballer, so it's not ideal that we're having to rely on him. I hope he goes out there, scores a goal and proves me wrong, but I just get the feeling that Arsenals attack will run rings around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc1976 Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 From Lovren to Hoovield makes it more of an 'upset' than a reasonable chance of getting something for me. He's just not very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 3-3 at Goodison park now. Epic football! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 It could make us significantly weaker. Lovren's biggest contribution has been as the leader of an exceptionally well drilled and dedicated unit. Hooiveld may lack the individual ability but if the team retains its confidence and organisation we may not see too big a drop. You're right. I think the team as a whole will be organised but the back four have lost their leader. Hopefully someone else steps up to the plate. 3-3 Sturridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 We haven't seen Hooiveld yet this season. He may well have improved a lot since last season, going by how much other players have improved. (Fonte the obvious example) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Remember that this is a game we were likely to lose with Lovren - believe it or not. If we lose it without him, don't pin it on Hooiveld. Unless he scores an oggie from the Arsenal box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Full time at Goodison... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Kick-off delayed to 3.30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 No lovren equals no win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 We haven't seen Hooiveld yet this season. He may well have improved a lot since last season, going by how much other players have improved. (Fonte the obvious example) I saw him against Sunderland. He was awful i felt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 I saw him against Sunderland. He was awful i felt. That was the whole team changed, difficult to judge on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Kick-off delayed to 3.30 Said 3:15 on 5live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 The fellow on Saints Player says Saints will go top, if we win today. Well, not necessarily. There's this thing called goal difference. We need to win by three, I believe, to sit there. If we win by two, it will be co-leaders - but they'll put Arsenal first because of alphabetical order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 I admit some of the responses are over the top but you're an idiot if you think this doesn't make us significantly weaker. No need for personal insults... there have been many posts thinking we can make top four this season.. I guess its on the proviso that we have NO injuries whatsoever... yes, we will miss Lovren but MP is clear that we do not need to bolster in january so he must think Hoovield can do a job.. and I tend to lean towards him in terms of football nous than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 So, we are deffo in a top-of-the-table match. When did that last happen ? Hey-hooo. Probably get hammered, but the excitement feels good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Can't see us getting anything from this game now. Back four have been so well drilled and Hooiveld simply isn't anywhere near as good as Lovren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 The fellow on Saints Player says Saints will go top, if we win today. Well, not necessarily. There's this thing called goal difference. We need to win by three, I believe, to sit there. If we win by two, it will be co-leaders - but they'll put Arsenal first because of alphabetical order. Nope, win by 2 goals and we are top. Don't forget Arsenal will lose 2 goal difference as well, so we'll be 2 ahead of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 3-0 win and we got top. Easy. In the bag. Back of the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 (edited) The fellow on Saints Player says Saints will go top, if we win today. Well, not necessarily. There's this thing called goal difference. We need to win by three, I believe, to sit there. If we win by two, it will be co-leaders - but they'll put Arsenal first because of alphabetical order. Our goals will reduce Arsenal's goal difference. Edited 23 November, 2013 by Jimmy_D Ninja'd by Saint_clark! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Haha. Eric is working tonight so has to drink Pepsi. Just collapsed in horror at news he has to drink them for extra 30mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Nope, win by 2 goals and we are top. Don't forget Arsenal will lose 2 goal difference as well, so we'll be 2 ahead of them. Right. My bad - as the kids used to sat here a few years ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 No Lovren probably does mean a defeat, but hey we are having a killer season so can't get too upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 The fellow on Saints Player says Saints will go top, if we win today. Well, not necessarily. There's this thing called goal difference. We need to win by three, I believe, to sit there. If we win by two, it will be co-leaders - but they'll put Arsenal first because of alphabetical order. Two is enough-remember Arsenal's GD will go down as well as ours going up. If we win by 2, there'll be a +4 differential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 The fellow on Saints Player says Saints will go top, if we win today. Well, not necessarily. There's this thing called goal difference. We need to win by three, I believe, to sit there. If we win by two, it will be co-leaders - but they'll put Arsenal first because of alphabetical order. We are playing Arsenal - if we win by 2, not only our GD improves by two, theirs gets 2 worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 So, we are deffo in a top-of-the-table match. When did that last happen ? Hey-hooo. Probably get hammered, but the excitement feels good. Yep 3rd pint already. Being hammered prob best way to watch today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 No lovren equals no win) Strange how we won a few games last season. I know Lovren is good, but missing for one game due to illness and everyone goes into melt down. More amazed at the lack of depth on the bench. Gazza as GK (thought that might happen, didn't see Davis in training), no Cork, Guly (as we knew), Gaston or Lee (as we might have guessed), only true first teamers on the bench are Ossie, Maya and Steve Davis (no disrespect to Chambers). Still hopeful we might get something, a win was never really a realistic option anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 I've not seen this much bed wetting since I last visited a maternity ward. You will be rightly ridiculed by the gooners when they see it. Ironically one of the more reasonable contributions come from alpine saint (no offence intended alps) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 I've not seen this much bed wetting since I last visited a maternity ward. You will be rightly ridiculed by the gooners when they see it. Ironically one of the more reasonable contributions come from alpine saint (no offence intended alps) At that point, he didn't know lovren was out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 At that point, he didn't know lovren was out. Well, one way to look at it is that we have an excuse now for losing. Hopefully the penny drops for NC and MoPo today that we need another CB and that Hooiveld and Yoshida dont fit that description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 I just hope Jos does not read the forum posts.. we are not 3rd because Lovren has played every game, its our high pressing style and this could come undone against Arsenal anyway.. I'm still optimistic of a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 (edited) What a great game at Goodison. Martinez and Rodgers are class managers and so are the teams they are building. Hooiveld?!?! Arsenal play the ball on the ground, what is going on with Yoshida that he can't even make the bench most of the times? Clearly the best pairing to Fonte last season and would've seemed to me as the natural substitute of Lovren/Jose. Also I swear Lovren was all cheerful on twitter this morning, has someone poisoned his food??. Hopefully Tino's know-how has made our CB pairing changes unnoticeable. Not the game for these changes to happen but our tactics have reduced CB exposure so much that the organization of the team should really not suffer. Edited 23 November, 2013 by melmacian_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 No Lovren probably does mean a defeat, but hey we are having a killer season so can't get too upset. Deliberate choice of words ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Well, one way to look at it is that we have an excuse now for losing. Hopefully the penny drops for NC and MoPo today that we need another CB and that Hooiveld and Yoshida dont fit that description. Surely the "hopefully" should be that Hooiveld has shown as much improvement as Fonte since Lovren came in and keeps a clean sheet for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Surely the "hopefully" should be that Hooiveld has shown as much improvement as Fonte since Lovren came in and keeps a clean sheet for us? Depends on your definition of "hope"; how far between confidence and desperation it lies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Sh*t. Given the alternatives, Lovren is #1 (tied with Shaw and Schneiderlin) on the list of players we can't afford to lose. This had a thread a while back. Most people felt Boruc, but a few of us said Lovren and were abused for it. Suppose we'll find out who was right today.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Ko delayed by 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webby Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 No Lovren! We'll see how good Wanyama is then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 I just hope Jos does not read the forum posts.. we are not 3rd because Lovren has played every game, its our high pressing style and this could come undone against Arsenal anyway.. I'm still optimistic of a point. I think all people are highlighting is that if you asked Saints fans which player they would least like to not play vs the top of the table team, the majority (probably) would choose Lovren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewYorkSaint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Whatever else happens this season, it's worth savouring this moment. One third of the way through the season, we are playing to go top of the league. Just awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 This had a thread a while back. Most people felt Boruc, but a few of us said Lovren and were abused for it. Suppose we'll find out who was right today.. Well if Boruc was out today it would be Gazza in goal. I know which I'd rather have playing today out of Jos and Gazza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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