Sour Mash Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 He dealt with a much much worse situation at Espanyol. But did he have the expectation of delivering European football there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 He dealt with a much much worse situation at Espanyol. And ended up getting sacked, perhaps he doesn't want that to happen again. Probably absolutely no truth in it at all but I could see why he'd walk away if he doesn't get what he wants in the way of players in the summer window. No manager would want to face an injury crisis lke the one we've had of late twice in 2 years and have to turn to the sort of crap that Mauricio has had this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 Chelsea? Man City? Portsmouth? I think they are probably the few closest to us but id be interested to see if they officially have had more changes of manager than us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 No real evidence, it's just a speculation thus the use of the word "perhaps". However being forced to use Davis,Gazza, Jos and Fox instead of obtaining correct replacements at the opportune moment, ie last summer, indicates to me that something isn't quite right. None of those players should be anywhere near a PL side so why are they still here and being used. Also why did mauricio recently say that he had all the replacements he needed from the academy when he clearly didn't. I mean that's something that you'd just not say if you had any choice at all in the matter. We have no viable CBs in the academy, if we had we'd have used them by now, we have no replacement LB in the academy either, if we had Fox wouldn't be playing every 3 or 4 games or so. I agree about the lack of "soon to be ready" CBs in the academy, but I thought his quote about January was more along the lines that we have lots of good players coming through and just dont plan to buy anyone. Thats not quite the same - and FWIW i personally think we will buy a CB at least, whatever answer was given to the journos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 I agree about the lack of "soon to be ready" CBs in the academy, but I thought his quote about January was more along the lines that we have lots of good players coming through and just dont plan to buy anyone. Thats not quite the same - and FWIW i personally think we will buy a CB at least, whatever answer was given to the journos We'll just have to see how it pans out but as I say I get the impression that something isn't quite right just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 But did he have the expectation of delivering European football there? I believe he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 We'll just have to see how it pans out but as I say I get the impression that something isn't quite right just now. I dont think there is any money, and MP is expected to struggle along with what hes got. Despite me being utterly convinced that Ramirez should go, if only to fund a CB or GK, I doubt he will because it involves such a loss of face for NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 "The coach would like a change of scenery" Having spent a number of years in Barcelona, maybe the delights of what Southampton has to offer aint satisfactory for the 'MoPo' family?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 And ended up getting sacked, perhaps he doesn't want that to happen again. Probably absolutely no truth in it at all but I could see why he'd walk away if he doesn't get what he wants in the way of players in the summer window. No manager would want to face an injury crisis lke the one we've had of late twice in 2 years and have to turn to the sort of crap that Mauricio has had this season. It's possible yes but from what little I know of his situation at Espanyol the situation was on a different scale than at Saints. His better players were sold which I understand happens routinely at Espanyol and it seems the club doesn't or didn't have the means to buy (we do). He was much more reliant therefore on youth players and was at a club that seems to have been in a continual state of turmoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 (edited) I dont think there is any money, and MP is expected to struggle along with what hes got. Despite me being utterly convinced that Ramirez should go, if only to fund a CB or GK, I doubt he will because it involves such a loss of face for NC. Couldn't say but we won't get any money for Gaston in the January window, he obviously wants to return to Italy but they only want loans at this time of year. Look at the Nainggolan deal, 3 million € loan fee now and the 6 million € in the summer if he's good enough for the AS Rome, and this was being talked about as a 20 million £ player only last summer. I read yesterday that Inter have proposed to us a sort of never-never deal for Osvaldo as well, loan fee now and then the rest of the 15 million on credit over a couple of years, can't see us accepting that either.. Edited 8 January, 2014 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 mopo can hardly moan about backing - he spent more than most in the summer and inherited a very very good squad + weve sold nobody. he's had it much easier than most prem managers..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 Couldn't say but we won't get any money for Gaston in the January window, he obviously wants to return to Italy but they only want loans at this time of year. Look at the Nainggolan deal, 3 million € loan fee now and the 6 million € in the summer if he's good enough for the AS Rome, and this was being talked about as a 20 million £ player only last summer. I read yesterday that Inter have proposed to us a sort of never-never deal for Osvaldo as well, loan fee now and then the rest of the 15 million on credit over a couple of years, can't see us accepting that either.. Well, I have faith in NC, but it does seem to me he is flogging a dead horse keeping them both here for the rest of the season. Unless they both put in good World Cups we might get even less for them in the mid-term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 mopo can hardly moan about backing - he spent more than most in the summer and inherited a very very good squad + weve sold nobody. he's had it much easier than most prem managers..... Don't think he has actually moaned ... Honestly see this is usual tittle tattle and, if he does decide to go, we as a club should be okay. Let's not worry eh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 Awesome, I wanted Di Matteo last time anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 His family probably still live in Spain, I could see it happening. Depends what his end goal was when he came here. Or he could be looking for a (well deserved) pay rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 It is bad timing, but is this being driven by mopo or NC? 1) NC cant be happy with recent form 2) NC originally wanted Roberto Di Matteo however RDM is still getting 100-130k per week from Chelsea and would lose that if he took another job! That contract however ends in June meaning RDM will be looking for another job..... 3) Coincidence? Awesome, I wanted Di Matteo last time anyway. * cough cough * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 Or he could be looking for a (well deserved) pay rise. best time to ask for a payrse is after a horrible run of form and one league win in nine....... said nobody ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed demon Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 Glasgow will be happy, something has to change he said He'll be chuffed. He had £20 @ 16/1 Poch not starting as manager next season but will only tell us that after Poch has gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 (edited) He'll be chuffed. He had £20 @ 16/1 Poch not starting as manager next season but will only tell us that after Poch has gone. .... Edited 8 January, 2014 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 I dont think there is any money, and MP is expected to struggle along with what hes got. Despite me being utterly convinced that Ramirez should go, if only to fund a CB or GK, I doubt he will because it involves such a loss of face for NC. I think this is pretty much crap, Im certainly glad that we gave him time, I agree now unless he involves some real work ethic to his obvious skill and quickly then he will have to go but if it were any of the kneejerkers on here he would have been gone after a month. As per MoPo, itll be a real shame if he gors as clearly he is a talented coach, yes a few tweaks are needed but he seems like he is out of the pep school of studious and tactically able coaches. Nobody knows whats going on behind the scenes, Id suggest if there is any talk of leaving it could be to force replacements (as if that wasnt obvious that we need them) of course he could also generally think he cant deliver whats expected ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
September Saint Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 We need a manager fully charged after a long rest. Step forward..................................................................................................................................................Gary Megson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_John Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 The Echo says An Italian website has claimed that the Saints boss is likely to leave St Mary’s in the summer. The Daily Echo understands that the reports are inaccurate Pochettino has consistently said he is happy at Saints, and reiterated that just a few weeks ago when he was linked with the vacancy at Tottenham. http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/10920975.Rumour_Mill__Even_Poch_linked_with__move_/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 The daily echo, possibly the worst rag going and inexplicably getting more expensive !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 The Echo says http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/10920975.Rumour_Mill__Even_Poch_linked_with__move_/ "Understands" - my favourite journalistic word... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 "Understands" - my favourite journalistic word... Makes a change from "can reveal that......" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 I dont think there is any money, and MP is expected to struggle along with what hes got. Despite me being utterly convinced that Ramirez should go, if only to fund a CB or GK, I doubt he will because it involves such a loss of face for NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 You know better ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 You know better ? What exactly points to us having no money? You can't on the one hand complain that we are spending (relative to us historically) big money on players who you don't feel are contributing enough and then speculate that we have no money. In addition, we would be stripped of our main player assests and you would see little and no investment in infrastructure when in fact we see the opposite. The evidence only points one way, and it isn't towards us having no money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 (edited) If Cortese wants to turnover managers quickly, as he has done since day one then he can only expect to be turned over himself one day. This really. Also Cortese's micro management would be really wearing to work under. 18 months, repair your reputation and get out makes sense. Edited 8 January, 2014 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 "Understands" - my favourite journalistic word... It's better than "might" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 Don't believe everything the media writes. Only a couple of weeks ago MP said he and NC get along very well ..... That was following reports they don't get along. Isn't that what NA said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 His family probably still live in Spain, I could see it happening. Depends what his end goal was when he came here. Or he could be looking for a (well deserved) pay rise. No they don't. They are all in the UK with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowers-sfc Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 His family probably still live in Spain, I could see it happening. Depends what his end goal was when he came here. Or he could be looking for a (well deserved) pay rise. pretty sure his family are living over here. see him quite often with his son down st marys. also, someone on here said his son plays for one of the youth teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 pretty sure his family are living over here. see him quite often with his son down st marys. also, someone on here said his son plays for one of the youth teams. son plays for Totton I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 No they don't. They are all in the UK with him. Do they all have interpreters too? On a more serious note, would be disappointed to lose him as we've clearly progressed tremendously under him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 Can't see it myself but hey this the crazy world of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 Dig, your an intelligent chap, as much as I thought the same when I read the negatives ones post I decided I wasnt going to get dragged into a debate that he will never concede to no matter the level of evidence you throw at him. Truth is none of us have any idea as to whether the Liebherrs May or may not wish to inject additional funds into SFC. We all speculate that they won't, and have no interest, but if NC has definitely no access to funds such as this, why did he state after voting AGAINST the recent decision to prevent 'sugar daddy' type investment being used to augment the playing squad, that we had voted against because; a) it would be unfair on clubs joining the Prem, or only recently squiring a sugar daddy, not to be able to do what others have done before and thus have the advantage b) many of the larger clubs have sugar daddy linked direct to club 'sponsors' so money comes in via the sponsorship route There would seem little point in voting against that, if we never had any intention or access to funds used in this way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 where does all this crap come from some skate or wum by anychance this very thing was said when a snippet from nowhere came out about nigel going and an argie coming in what would put all this to bed would be the announcement of a new contract for MP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 I'm fairly sure that Tuttomercatoweb were the first to report Pochettino coming here to replace Adkins, before the British press got wind of it. Hope it's BS obviously but watch this space I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 It has a certain face-validity and ring of authenticity I'm afraid, especially when one considers circumstantial evidence such as the lack of contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 Yep, i would back Roberto Di Matteo heavily to be our next manager. NC wanted him before.where is the evidence that NC wanted DI Matteo? Nc keeps everything secretat the best of times and so I doubt he would undermine the new manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 I need convincing of the managerial merits of R Di M, to be honest. OK, he won the CL with Chelski but by common consent that was a bit of a fluke and he inherited the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 where is the evidence that NC wanted DI Matteo? Nc keeps everything secretat the best of times and so I doubt he would undermine the new manager http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2238109/Roberto-Di-Matteo-set-Southampton-job.html http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/roberto-di-matteo-is-favourite-to-become-1455777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2238109/Roberto-Di-Matteo-set-Southampton-job.html I started reading that and didn't look at the date until I saw the 'struggling Southampton' bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilko Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 Old manager, new manager, newer manager. It all seems a bit irrelevant, really. If he goes, he goes. We'll get a new guy, who may be better or worse than Pochettino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 where is the evidence that NC wanted DI Matteo? Nc keeps everything secretat the best of times and so I doubt he would undermine the new manager It doesn't appear there is any OldNick as Glasgow was going to provide it. There are a couple of newspaper articles with could, would, should, maybe, might, possibly, etc etc but no definitive statement from Cortese that he did want RDM it seems. Doesn't mean it wasn't the case, just that there isn't any evidence just a couple of journo articles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 (edited) I started reading that and didn't look at the date until I saw the 'struggling Southampton' bit. Cortese wanted Di Matteo but he turned us down. Probably due to him still being payed out by Chelsea. I happen to know this is 100% true. I used to have a contact who was on the board at Chelsea who told me. People sneered and took the p*ss out of this at the time but it was true. Edited 8 January, 2014 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 (edited) It doesn't appear there is any OldNick as Glasgow was going to provide it. There are a couple of newspaper articles with could, would, should, maybe, might, possibly, etc etc but no definitive statement from Cortese that he did want RDM it seems. Doesn't mean it wasn't the case, just that there isn't any evidence just a couple of journo articles. So al the stuff that's been in the mail over the last year is gospel truth, all positive stories, articles on the academy, things leaked to the media that put us In a good light, every word of it. All of it, except this, this is just an article by some journalist. What people want is a statement from Cortese telling the world he wanted Di Matteo as manager, this while Adkins was still in the job. Course that's going to happen. Edited 8 January, 2014 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 Nothing brilliant about Di Matteo, scraped through a couple of games to get xcl and was poor at west brom. Prob a reason why no one has taken s punt on him. Hopefully we can do a lot better if poch goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 8 January, 2014 Share Posted 8 January, 2014 Cortese wanted Di Matteo but he turned us down. Probably due to him still being payed out by Chelsea. I happen to know this is 100% true. I used to have a contact who was on the board at Chelsea who told me. People sneered and took the p*ss out of this at the time but it was true. Is he any good anyway?? Has he managed a club long enough to prove himself? Other than having a group of "managers" in Drogba, Terry and Lampard help him win the Champions League!? Am I being too harsh on him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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