SaintRobbie Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Post of the decade. As sad as it is to read! I disagree. It's defeatist. Attitudes like this - no matter how pragmatic they sound - are the defeatist, unambitious seeds of failure. Aim high and be ambitious and you progress a little at a time. Give in to the perception of failure before you start and you will always fail. CB Frys words are not for me. Insist on success, even if it seems to be against the odds. Ambition leads to success. Saints can get there. But, too much to do with too little time will make it hard for Koeman now. Very hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 This is how I feel. We do not have the income (under financial fair play) to pay the wages required to gain or keep players to take us to the next level. Just like those outside of the top 4 or 5. It is they way of things now and it will remain the way of things in the future. I already have my season ticket so will continue to support this coming season but I think this will be my last year! Outside the top 12 at the end of next season and that will be it for me. Increase in season ticket more than inflation next season and that will also count against. I am lucky that I can afford Itchen central and Hampshire Cricket Executive Membership plus dining. However I am not going to continue to feed this obscene beast that is the Premier League unless it is on my terms. I will support from the armchair if we do not achieve my targets! It does kind of make a mockery of this financial fair play malarkey. How exactly is it promoting fair play? It will just allow the clubs like Man Utd and Man City to drift further and further and further away, doesn't allow anyone else to even get close due to ''fair play''. Yeah, nice one PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Lallana is irreplacable as far as I am concerned. Far more so then any other Southampton player. I remember going to watch the home leg of thr FA youth cup final we lost against ipswich expecting to be dazzled by Walcott, who was rumoured to be atttacting the interest of real Madrid at the time. It was a front 3 of Walcott, dyer and lallana. Lallana was playing wide left and he was the standout performer for me. Walcott and dyer looked ordinary in comparison. Since then it has been clear to me that Lallana is a really special player. We won't replace him with like for like as it just doesn't exist. Well it's not like the other two have done terribly is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 It does kind of make a mockery of this financial fair play malarkey. How exactly is it promoting fair play? It will just allow the clubs like Man Utd and Man City to drift further and further and further away, doesn't allow anyone else to even get close due to ''fair play''. Yeah, nice one PL. I keep wondering could this be part of the reason we seem more open to offers than we should be (particularly baring in mind the TV income and prize money increase). Are we increasing our income in order that we can spend more significantly on the squad as a whole, or is transfer revenue not taken into account? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 I keep wondering could this be part of the reason we seem more open to offers than we should be (particularly baring in mind the TV income and prize money increase). Are we increasing our income in order that we can spend more significantly on the squad as a whole, or is transfer revenue not taken into account? I would imagine it is taken into account, as the transfer revenue received will be reported in the accounts as ''profit'' - so I would have thought FFP would see that as a way of increasing profit and significantly lowering the loss. Maybe, you could be right - as we're going to be running at an insane profit after all of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric The Red Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Selling Lallana for this money is decent business. He's been really good for us but he wants to move. I believe he's making a massive mistake, he's going to be bench warming and will lose his place in the England squad within 12 months. Don't get me wrong, he's a good player but he won't be mollycoddled at Liverpool like at Saints. He's going to find it far tougher than Luke or Rickie. It's a shame but he clearly feels he's better than us, time for all of us to move on. It simply proves there is no loyalty in football anymore, but we knew that already and in truth if you were going to be paid twice what you were already earning, how loyal would you be? Agree 100% with this Pat. Lallana was a very lucky boy to learn his trade at SFC. I am afraid that in the big bad world he will find life a lot tougher! Lif goes on and our 'all new' team - whatever it ends up looking like - but the events this summer will make me even more cynical and disinterested in the hype. It almost makes me want to be back in the lower divisions where at least the bulls*** factor is lower and the games are just as much fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifeintheslowlane Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 I've been campaigning for years on here for a statue or bust of Matt Le Tissier at the Players Entrance at Saint Mary's with a plinth and LOYALTY in big brass letters on it. Our youth set up should have LOYALTY as their motto. Ingrained into them before the agents arrive and tempt their parents. Unlikely to work, but would still like a bust of LeGod there! Sadly the youth set-up also has lessons on "How to Handle Money" and "How to Handle The Media". The "Now Generation" has no time for "LOYALTY"...the word's for manipulating the fans into believing "Kissing the Badge" is genuine and heartfelt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 I'll take instalments !!!! I sincerely hope you enjoy the oncoming season. My whining ??? I expect you would of been great on the Titanic ... " keep baling chaps, I think we've got it licked " Even the titanic left Southampton! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Even the titanic left Southampton! Lols Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Even the titanic left Southampton! like very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 While I'm disappointed to see AL and LS leave, I keep reading stuff on here and asking myself two questions: 1. Why do fans feel that loyalty (and gratitude for helping with progress that has been made) should be just from the player? 2. Why should a player not be ambitious ? And yes I get that contracts have been signed but frankly they're more for the benefit of the club than the player. That's evidenced by the fees obtained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 I'm very pleased that you are pleased that SFC is being run as you would like Any comments of your own would be welcomed, but I won't hold my breath Can only say. virtually all football clubs players/chairman/managers and owners move on at some point and inevitably more so with "lesser" clubs and fans have to accept that and move on but i like you am very disappointed in our players when they move to the so called "bigger" clubs but to state i want my season ticket money back is bit.... Well sorry to say it a bit school kid like.. saying "i`m not playing any more because i haven't got my own way" Who`s to say we will not come out better after all the dealings have been done this summer? Of course we could end up worse too but in the end we support our team either way dont` we? Apologies if you feel this to be an insulting post as it isn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Abroad Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Even the titanic left Southampton! And it sank so be wary Morgan and others wishing to leave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty's Caddy Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Excellent Post Professor and agree with everything you have written, enough is enough and would love to be able in some way to unite fans from the bottom 10 of the premiership and the whole of the champion ship as a start, changes are required, would love to hear what other fans have to say, personally I would like the top six-seven teams from the premiership to Fxxk off with the same number from the Spanish, Italian and other top european leagues and form there own Euorpean Super League. How would that change anything? Our next top striker would want to play for a team in the euro super league. And the premiership would be massively devalued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 (edited) What would happen if he failed the medical. He has a known heart condition and this might put Liverpool off from paying so much money. It looks like he has burnt his bridges now. He might have to come back with his tail between his legs. Edited 28 June, 2014 by Tokyo-Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Even the titanic left Southampton! But it never went to Liverpool and sank like a stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Rickie Lambert: transferee Luke Shaw: transferee Adam Lallana: deserter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Sadly the youth set-up also has lessons on "How to Handle Money" and "How to Handle The Media". The "Now Generation" has no time for "LOYALTY"...the word's for manipulating the fans into believing "Kissing the Badge" is genuine and heartfelt. It's a sign of the individualism of our Americanising society. Selfishness over selflessness. Adam Lallanna, makes loyalty look ****e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Adam Lallana on his move to Liverpool - "It's a dream move for me. It just seemed the most logical way to avoid getting bitten next season". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 This. Just staggering how so many people are acting surprised at this. It was obvious last season when people like me were begging for us to really go for the cups and Europe and others on here were full of how we weren't ready and how we would "build" for that, and how not ready for Europe we were, and how the team needed more seasons. Just deluded and was never going to happen. As soon as a club like us gets close to the sun it does not mean the next season they will get even closer/smash the glass ceiling etc. It means the stars and/or manager gets picked off. Maybe next time people will understand the time to go for glory is the season you are in, instead of pipedreaming for some "when we're really ready" time over the rainbow. Don't disagree; just find it interesting how many people bemoaned (and are still angry about) the departure of the man who oversaw our inglorious exit from the FA Cup this season....Funny people, football fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Adam Lallana on his move to Liverpool - "It's a dream move for me. It just seemed the most logical way to avoid getting bitten next season". What if Liverpool draw Barca in the CL next year? I just hope there are some better tasting players in the Liverpool squad. Maybe Suarez can lick them and find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 It's a sign of the individualism of our Americanising society. Selfishness over selflessness. Adam Lallanna, makes loyalty look ****e. Great word that. Although surely it should be Americanizing? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 How long before he put's on the accent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifeintheslowlane Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 How long before he put's on the accent? ...or starts kissing the badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 While I'm disappointed to see AL and LS leave, I keep reading stuff on here and asking myself two questions: 1. Why do fans feel that loyalty (and gratitude for helping with progress that has been made) should be just from the player? 2. Why should a player not be ambitious ? And yes I get that contracts have been signed but frankly they're more for the benefit of the club than the player. That's evidenced by the fees obtained. Ambition, that's all we ever ****ing hear. Why not be ambitious with Saints? What actually is more ambitious - to get Saints into CL or join a team already there? Why not just come out and be honest and say that their wages have been doubled as well as a few CL games, but mostly its mostly about the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkeith Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Good luck Ads when you try a one-two with Sturridge next year. I think he is in fir a bit if a shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Is Ralph still on holiday? He's obviously a good salesman, not only FFs books but the team as well, still happy FF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasiak-9- Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Ambition, that's all we ever ****ing hear. Why not be ambitious with Saints? What actually is more ambitious - to get Saints into CL or join a team already there? Why not just come out and be honest and say that their wages have been doubled as well as a few CL games, but mostly its mostly about the money. Because when players like Ramirez take the honest approach and say that the fans of their new club use it as a stick to beat them with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Some interesting points been made over the last few pages on this thread. For me, it was always going to be the case that our 'success' last season was going to lead to interest in our players from those in the top 6 who have that financial advantage over clubs like Saints. What I suppose I have been surprised at is the scope of the potential exodus. I'm not sure I can recall a close season where so many players from a side finishing in the top half of the table have been linked with moves away. Welcome to the true Premier League! To those of you who are completely fed up by the PL and the way the big clubs bully the smaller teams, and are threatening not to re-new season tickets but just become armchair fans. I hope that's not an armchair fan with a Sky Subscription because you'll just be making things worse. If you really want to do something. Ditch Sky and keep your season ticket. My final point is I've been thinking about players that have left and been a success elsewhere and those that have left at things haven't gone so well. I remembered that Arsenal had a buy-back clause in Cesc Fabregas' contract, and the same has been said for Carlos Vela. Should we be looking at putting in a buy-back clause into people like Lallana's contract or would we be happy to see him move to a West Ham team in a couple of years if things don't go his way at Liverpool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Maybe it's all a plan to boost shirt sales by selling our entire first 11 so people can't wear their old shirts with names on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 My final point is I've been thinking about players that have left and been a success elsewhere and those that have left at things haven't gone so well. I remembered that Arsenal had a buy-back clause in Cesc Fabregas' contract, and the same has been said for Carlos Vela. Should we be looking at putting in a buy-back clause into people like Lallana's contract or would we be happy to see him move to a West Ham team in a couple of years if things don't go his way at Liverpool? A very good question. Although I wonder how Arsenal feel about not exercising such a clause and letting Febregas go to Chelsea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 My final point is I've been thinking about players that have left and been a success elsewhere and those that have left at things haven't gone so well. I remembered that Arsenal had a buy-back clause in Cesc Fabregas' contract, and the same has been said for Carlos Vela. Should we be looking at putting in a buy-back clause into people like Lallana's contract or would we be happy to see him move to a West Ham team in a couple of years if things don't go his way at Liverpool? That would be hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 I think 25 mil for lallana is a rubbish price to be honest, the guy just finished in the top 6 in the pfa awards nominations making him one of the top 6 performers in the prem last year, would the other players go for this price? No chance. Theres also the sell on clause with bournemouth , the fact he was our captain and best player,so why do we feel the need to only accept what liverpool are ready to pay? Why couldnt we have said 60m or f off? Probably because we wanted the money and Koeman was totally indifferent, for him 18.75 million is 2 dutch hot shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 He might have to come back with his tail between his legs. To be fair, that's the best place for it He's gone. Now the threat of him leaving has been removed and we can get on with the reconstruction of a new team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 If I was offered £100,000 a week for 5 years I'd be off in a flash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 A very good question. Although I wonder how Arsenal feel about not exercising such a clause and letting Febregas go to Chelsea? Don't think they wanted him, got Ozil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Liverpool take everything from Southampton. first our cruise ships, then Lambert and now Lallana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Even the titanic left Southampton! But it never went to Liverpool and sank like a stone. It was registered in Liverpool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 No wonder it sank, those letters are all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Has the medical finished yet ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 I am saddened to see some of the comments regarding Adam Lallana. This is a guy who stayed with us when we got relegated from the Championship and has assisted us returning to the Premier just as much as Lambert. He has accepted wages way below what he might have got had he sought another club in that time. He has now reached 26, is an England International as has had an offer to play for a club who have qualified for Champions league. He has been loyal for many years. So what that he kissed the badge and said what he said about Southampton in the past. He has exceeded his own expectations both playing at Southampton and being selected for England and now wants to reach for the next level. He cannot get that at Southampton. This is his great opportunity. An opportunity that most of those who are knocking him would take if they had the opportunity. If the club were so determined to keep him they could have insisted he stuck to his contract but they appear to have accepted this is his great chance and with the right transfer fee have let him move on. Not much different from Lambert in my opinion. This is all about opportunity in a short career. Accept that and wish him well. Anything less is disingenuous to a long term servant, not a mercenary who came in for a year or so to use us as a stepping stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 I am saddened to see some of the comments regarding Adam Lallana. This is a guy who stayed with us when we got relegated from the Championship and has assisted us returning to the Premier just as much as Lambert. He has accepted wages way below what he might have got had he sought another club in that time. He has now reached 26, is an England International as has had an offer to play for a club who have qualified for Champions league. He has been loyal for many years. So what that he kissed the badge and said what he said about Southampton in the past. He has exceeded his own expectations both playing at Southampton and being selected for England and now wants to reach for the next level. He cannot get that at Southampton. This is his great opportunity. An opportunity that most of those who are knocking him would take if they had the opportunity. If the club were so determined to keep him they could have insisted he stuck to his contract but they appear to have accepted this is his great chance and with the right transfer fee have let him move on. Not much different from Lambert in my opinion. This is all about opportunity in a short career. Accept that and wish him well. Anything less is disingenuous to a long term servant, not a mercenary who came in for a year or so to use us as a stepping stone. Top post Weston. Doubtful they'll be another talented academy player who stays with us until he's 26. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 I think most fans realise that but you always get those who have a hate mentality and to be fair its only the usual suspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 But it never went to Liverpool and sank like a stone. It was however registered in Liverpool, before it sank without trace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 I am saddened to see some of the comments regarding Adam Lallana. This is a guy who stayed with us when we got relegated from the Championship and has assisted us returning to the Premier just as much as Lambert. He has accepted wages way below what he might have got had he sought another club in that time. He has now reached 26, is an England International as has had an offer to play for a club who have qualified for Champions league. He has been loyal for many years. So what that he kissed the badge and said what he said about Southampton in the past. He has exceeded his own expectations both playing at Southampton and being selected for England and now wants to reach for the next level. He cannot get that at Southampton. This is his great opportunity. An opportunity that most of those who are knocking him would take if they had the opportunity. If the club were so determined to keep him they could have insisted he stuck to his contract but they appear to have accepted this is his great chance and with the right transfer fee have let him move on. Not much different from Lambert in my opinion. This is all about opportunity in a short career. Accept that and wish him well. Anything less is disingenuous to a long term servant, not a mercenary who came in for a year or so to use us as a stepping stone. Absolutely correct. I have to check myself for my gut reactions though. This is a very tough time for us, and everything seems to be a kick in the nuts at the moment, and I have to admit to having spells of disdain at these players.......I really can't wait until the next season to take my mind off all this poo and uncertainty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybeal Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 "Accept that and wish him well. Anything less is disingenuous to a long term servant,' That's your opinion - mines different - don't tell me that I'm disingenuous. I'll never wish him well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 I am saddened to see some of the comments regarding Adam Lallana. This is a guy who stayed with us when we got relegated from the Championship and has assisted us returning to the Premier just as much as Lambert. He has accepted wages way below what he might have got had he sought another club in that time. He has now reached 26, is an England International as has had an offer to play for a club who have qualified for Champions league. He has been loyal for many years. So what that he kissed the badge and said what he said about Southampton in the past. He has exceeded his own expectations both playing at Southampton and being selected for England and now wants to reach for the next level. He cannot get that at Southampton. This is his great opportunity. An opportunity that most of those who are knocking him would take if they had the opportunity. If the club were so determined to keep him they could have insisted he stuck to his contract but they appear to have accepted this is his great chance and with the right transfer fee have let him move on. Not much different from Lambert in my opinion. This is all about opportunity in a short career. Accept that and wish him well. Anything less is disingenuous to a long term servant, not a mercenary who came in for a year or so to use us as a stepping stone. Lol Nasty KL has sold him against his will, or he has been behaving like a slimy little git who has done one at the first offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 "Accept that and wish him well. Anything less is disingenuous to a long term servant,' That's your opinion - mines different - don't tell me that I'm disingenuous. I'll never wish him well.But will you wish Lambert & Shaw well or treat them all with the same disgust? If so I accept your comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 Lol Nasty KL has sold him against his will, or he has been behaving like a slimy little git who has done one at the first offer.Not worthy of comment so I won't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 28 June, 2014 Share Posted 28 June, 2014 What gets me and I'm sure most people is that Adam was Team Captain. It's not the fact he has ambition but the way he's gone about getting this move to Liverpool, getting media mates and others posting nasty bits about board members etc.. He has shown no dignity whatsoever and as such doesn't deserve any in return. He could have put in a transfer request or called a press conference at anytime over the past 6 weeks and said he'd reconsidered his career, his contract and intended to leave Southampton Football Club. In all the references to Titanic leaving Southampton and sinking, no one has mentioned it met an Iceberg. Adam too has met an Iceberg in the form of a medical. That, what they believed as unsinkable, in much the same way Adam thinks he's God's gift to football , sank and vanished beneath the sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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