Beckenham Saint Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 I have to agree. And it is TRUE. I should know, because I post messages on the same internet forum as a bloke that claims he once met another bloke in a provincial town somewhere in France, who claimed the he once met some people who claimed that they had once been to the same training session as Morgan himself. You can't get more bloody solid than that, can you? Just a heads up, Ribeirão Preto is in Brazil, you might want to edit that "provincial town in France" bit before they ignore the meaning of you post and focus on the lack of geographical knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Were you told what you heard before or after Koeman and Schneiderlin spoke? Because while it may have been true at the time, things may have changed, it's been quite a while since the French were in Ribeirão Preto now... I was told last Sunday, but the root cause of the available information dates back to just before the WC QF I believe. Koeman speaking to Morgan will change nothing whatsoever as far as I can surmise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Just a heads up, Ribeirão Preto is in Brazil, you might want to edit that "provincial town in France" bit before they ignore the meaning of you post and focus on the lack of geographical knowledge I think he was referring to St Etienne actually. A provincial town of the size of Nottingham or Leicester perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckenham Saint Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 I think he was referring to St Etienne actually. A provincial town of the size of Nottingham or Leicester perhaps. I only mentioned it as in the text he quoted Ribeirão Preto was mentioned, but no provincial French towns were... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 I only mentioned it as in the text he quoted Ribeirão Preto was mentioned, but no provincial French towns were... Ah that would be my fault for confusing you. StE (pronounced err Santé) is a common nomination for the city of St Etienne. Those who know a little of my history (well if you believe anything I write that is) would know that at one time I coached some U13s/U15s there and still have some contacts with the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckenham Saint Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Ah that would be my fault for confusing you. StE (pronounced err Santé) is a common nomination for the city of St Etienne. Those who know a little of my history (well if you believe anything I write that is) would know that at one time I coached some U13s/U15s there and still have some contacts with the club. That explains it! Cheers for clearing it up, and, I can now try and shoehorn that into every day conversations to give the impression that I actually know stuff! haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 You know when you're reading comments from people who know **** all, when the conversation turns to French geography and history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Ah that would be my fault for confusing you. StE (pronounced err Santé) is a common nomination for the city of St Etienne. Those who know a little of my history (well if you believe anything I write that is) would know that at one time I coached some U13s/U15s there and still have some contacts with the club. Unusual foreign or specialist abbreviations. Unnecessary repetition of unrelated detail. Vague caveats regarding validity of source. All classic obfuscation techniques. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Saying that word at staplewood today is that he is gone, though thats not a normal contact and everyone is abroad. Also Lovren is potentially staying and Koemans already stacked his new range... Again, Im not sure if I trust the source, but is from staple wood today (koeman has stacked the range rover though, the tit) So now people are speaking double dutch? Is this the price of Dutch management? I agree with the sentiment of others... WTFAYTA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Was he though? I've looked at the transcript on the OS and he really says nothing of the sort. He says he wants to keep all the players that we now have left but after that it's up to the board. As for Morgan is a and will be a Southampton player or whatever all that means basically is that simply projecting one day into the future makes it a statement which is not false. I know what I've been told by a person who'd probably know what he was on about so to me what Koeman said on the subject is purely semantic. It's increasingly looking this way. After all the potential new captain is hardly racing back to get in amongst his teammates on preseason. Rest or not, I'd have expected a dedicated leader to be at best tweeting his frustration at not being in preseason with his pals, better still rushing to be with them. He didn't play much in the WC. Can't be that tired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 It's increasingly looking this way. After all the potential new captain is hardly racing back to get in amongst his teammates on preseason. Rest or not, I'd have expected a dedicated leader to be at best tweeting his frustration at not being in preseason with his pals, better still rushing to be with them. He didn't play much in the WC. Can't be that tired. Morgan is officially on leave until Monday 28th July. Now whether he's back in England yet I just couldn't say. He was at his folks place at Zellwiller, probably went on his hols though.,because that's what he said he was going to do. Go on holiday and leave all the sorting out until afterwards. Might be back soon, back to where I've no idea. As for tiredness, still trekked round Brazil for nigh on a month, training every day except match days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Rest or not, I'd have expected a dedicated leader to be at best tweeting his frustration at not being in preseason with his pals, better still rushing to be with them. He didn't play much in the WC. Can't be that tired. Seriously? Full PL season, no rest, jetted off to S.America to train/be involved with International football, and no more than 14 days break?...give the guy some credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 I think Spider-Man if off. If so, it is another piece of evidence of the Boardrooms incompetence in articulating ambition and excellence. Whether it's true or not. Since Cortese left we lost the rhetoric for success. A reason Kruger appears to add nothing in my opinion. It's going to be a long season.... Just hope Koeman keeps us up frankly. I still think we have not brought in enough quality, and if another irreplaceable leaves we are not in a strong position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Seriously? Full PL season, no rest, jetted off to S.America to train/be involved with International football, and no more than 14 days break?...give the guy some credit. That could be fair comment... but a tweet of frustration would expend less that one calorie on thumb action. Losing Morgan is really bad news. Losing Lovren is really bad news. Losing Lambert may not be. Losing Mr I am Banana may not actually be a loss, Shaws loss for me is just a shame. I think he's off. I hope not. I really hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 I think Spider-Man if off. If so, it is another piece of evidence of the Boardrooms incompetence in articulating ambition and excellence. Whether it's true or not. Since Cortese left we lost the rhetoric for success. A reason Kruger appears to add nothing in my opinion. It's going to be a long season.... Just hope Koeman keeps us up frankly. I still think we have not brought in enough quality, and if another irreplaceable leaves we are not in a strong position. If Schneiderlin goes to a bigger club, on bigger wages and for a big fee how is that evidence of "boardroom incompetence"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 If Schneiderlin goes to a bigger club, on bigger wages and for a big fee how is that evidence of "boardroom incompetence"? Losing 3 first team players for big money isn't ideal but is manageable. Losing 5 first team players in one window, regardless of monies received, is verging on incompetent. If Morgan goes it will be for 20 million at most which isn't big money for him IMO. At some point the board have to say "no more leave" and after Lovren (25 million) that needs to be it. The recent track record of big squad changes in one transfer window makes pretty grim reading and we need to prevent that. Keep Morgan for 1 more year at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Disappointing if true that he's already got one foot out the door. Just makes the lack of a new contract for cork all the more annoying in my eyes. We could easily go from having one of strongest centre mid options to mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 If Schneiderlin goes to a bigger club, on bigger wages and for a big fee how is that evidence of "boardroom incompetence"? no team outside of a leeds/portsmouth would lose 5 starters in one window. its madness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Wanyama - Cork - Davis ...Good enough midfield 3 to finish midtable. If MS goes...as long as we get a good price (i.e north of 20m) ...I wouldn't be too devastated...he really does lack a goal threat to play in the RK formation. Don't get me wrong, he is class...and would love him to stay, but realistically if he goes we would be alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 You can't stop a manager going there but there's no excuse in losing players to spurs. Maybe we can't compete with the top 4 and man utd but ultimately we do have to have ambitions to compete with Everton and spurs over the next few years, otherwise we'll quickly move backwards. We'd have to go some to compete with Spurs. From memory an income double ours, commercial revenue something like 10x what we pull in (showing how big a pull they are), a season ticket waiting list that is comparable to our actual ST sales and looking to complete a 60,000 stadium in a few years. The bright lights of London also help, and even though our new training ground is nice, there's a tad nicer. I like ambition, but we have to be realistic at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 (edited) Wanyama - Cork - Davis ...Good enough midfield 3 to finish midtable. If MS goes...as long as we get a good price (i.e north of 20m) ...I wouldn't be too devastated...he really does lack a goal threat to play in the RK formation. Don't get me wrong, he is class...and would love him to stay, but realistically if he goes we would be alright. and what if cork goes? what if someone comes in with a £10m for him what if someone comes in for davis for a good price where does it stop? what if arsenal come in for chambers, and someone for JWP do we just sell them all if the price is right? Edited 19 July, 2014 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 If Schneiderlin goes to a bigger club, on bigger wages and for a big fee how is that evidence of "boardroom incompetence"? Easy to say that it's just one of those things, but it's a bit worrying that the board have struggled to get so few onside so far. When was the last time a top 10 side lost 3-5 key players and a manager in one transfer window? Just doesn't happen. One or two is understandable, but you'd have hoped we'd be able to convince at least a few to get on board. Even Villa got Benteke to sign a new contract last season when he was red hot and wanted to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 and what if cork goes? what if someone comes in with a £10m for him what if someone comes in for davis for a good price where does it stop? Exactly. If Morgan and Lovren go, that's 5 first team players to have gone. What happens if come the last week of the window we get good offers for Cork and Fonte, with only 1 year left on their contracts? It would probably make sense to sell them and that would then be 7 gone, and that would be madness. The line needs to be drawn somewhere. Sell lovren for big money and then tell the rest that that is it. Bring in 4 or 5 players with all this money, get Cork and Fonte on new deals and then maybe we will look ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Schneiderlin will be a huge loss for us - and we should hold out for £30 million paid up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Easy to say that it's just one of those things, but it's a bit worrying that the board have struggled to get so few onside so far. When was the last time a top 10 side lost 3-5 key players and a manager in one transfer window? Just doesn't happen. One or two is understandable, but you'd have hoped we'd be able to convince at least a few to get on board. Even Villa got Benteke to sign a new contract last season when he was red hot and wanted to go. What makes you think that the Board are struggling with anything ?? Reed said they would do anything and everything "in the best interests of SFC " And THAT is exactly what the Board are doing. And, as SFC is now owned by Katharina Leibherr, it is in the best interests of her. Why is that not obvious for anyone to understand ? 5 or 6 MORE New players ? You're 'avin' a laugh right ? We haven't finished selling the current ones off yet. More doom and gloom from me ? Not if I'm proved right, and shortly, I will be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 What makes you think that the Board are struggling with anything ?? Reed said they would do anything and everything "in the best interests of SFC " And THAT is exactly what the Board are doing. And, as SFC is now owned by Katharina Leibherr, it is in the best interests of her. Why is that not obvious for anyone to understand ? 5 or 6 MORE New players ? You're 'avin' a laugh right ? We haven't finished selling the current ones off yet. More doom and gloom from me ? Not if I'm proved right, and shortly, I will be I think you need to quote yourself and disagree with your own point, just to balance it out a bit. It's not like anyone has done that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Easy to say that it's just one of those things, but it's a bit worrying that the board have struggled to get so few onside so far. When was the last time a top 10 side lost 3-5 key players and a manager in one transfer window? Just doesn't happen. One or two is understandable, but you'd have hoped we'd be able to convince at least a few to get on board. Even Villa got Benteke to sign a new contract last season when he was red hot and wanted to go. Tottenham Hot Spur. Summer 2012? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Tottenham Hot Spur. Summer 2012? Wasn't Redknapp sacked? The only key player I can remember them losing was Modric for £35m, their other transfers were just squad players going. The fact is that's what happening to us is unprecedented in top flight football, we just need some signings of high quality - that's the only way to salvage this situation now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Wasn't Redknapp sacked? The only key player I can remember them losing was Modric for £35m, their other transfers were just squad players going. The fact is that's what happening to us is unprecedented in top flight football, we just need some signings of high quality - that's the only way to salvage this situation now. Corluka Van den Vaart Ledley King Modric Krancjar Bassong Pienaar And yep, Redkrapp was pushed before he could jump, all that England job thing and Daniel Levy being Daniel Levy. But I think it is enough to counter your suggestion that such a situation is 'unprecedented in top flight football'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Although I quite agree, high quality signings are absolutely necessary to, at a minimum, replace like for like, or - ideally - improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 (edited) The fact is that's what happening to us is unprecedented in top flight football, we just need some signings of high quality - that's the only way to salvage this situation now. Hyperbole. I knew we were missing something today. Edited 19 July, 2014 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 I think you need to quote yourself and disagree with your own point, just to balance it out a bit. It's not like anyone has done that before. Most people just ignore him as he just a clueless c**k who is proven wrong almost on a weekly basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Hyperbole. I knew we were missing something today. They love a good whinge and whine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Not if I'm proved right, and shortly, I will be How do you know which 'you' you are referring to? At least you never get lonely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Easy to say that it's just one of those things, but it's a bit worrying that the board have struggled to get so few onside so far. When was the last time a top 10 side lost 3-5 key players and a manager in one transfer window? Just doesn't happen. One or two is understandable, but you'd have hoped we'd be able to convince at least a few to get on board. Even Villa got Benteke to sign a new contract last season when he was red hot and wanted to go. Manchester united Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 What makes you think that the Board are struggling with anything ?? Reed said they would do anything and everything "in the best interests of SFC " And THAT is exactly what the Board are doing. And, as SFC is now owned by Katharina Leibherr, it is in the best interests of her. Why is that not obvious for anyone to understand ? 5 or 6 MORE New players ? You're 'avin' a laugh right ? We haven't finished selling the current ones off yet. More doom and gloom from me ? Not if I'm proved right, and shortly, I will be You almost sound happy to be proved right. Sad statement IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Shango Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Corluka Van den Vaart Ledley King Modric Krancjar Bassong Pienaar And yep, Redkrapp was pushed before he could jump, all that England job thing and Daniel Levy being Daniel Levy. But I think it is enough to counter your suggestion that such a situation is 'unprecedented in top flight football'. Of those, four were dispensable squad players and one retired through injury. Nothing like the situation at St Marys this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 You almost sound happy to be proved right. Sad statement IMHO This account has proven to be a windup merchant and a troll (the incident where it quoted and argued with itself.) How it hasn't been banned I don't know, just put it on ignore and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polaroid Saint Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Of those, four were dispensable squad players and one retired through injury. Nothing like the situation at St Marys this summer. NOTHING like? Really? Not even a little bit? Really really? Okay, just for sh'ts and giggles... RedKrapp (got spurs highest finish in a million years, left 'because of issues with the board') MoPo (for Saints highest finish since WGS and left 'because if issues with the board') Modric (playmaker, 'best' player) Lallana (ditto) Ledley (legend, retired early) Lambert (Legend, retired early) Shaw (fan favourite) Van den Vaart (fan favourite) ...and, yeah, that's it so far for Saints. But I guess you could match Krancjar with Morgan if this thread comes to the worst. I am NOT saying it is EXACTLY the same, but it is something like it, is it not? And to claim it is unprecedented to lose that many important players and a manager over one summer is just plain wrong. There are plenty of other examples from around the world of top flight football too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 no team outside of a leeds/portsmouth would lose 5 starters in one window. its madness indeed it is crazy. I think what is worrying is that the board can't get them to stay. When half a team wants out something isn't quite right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed demon Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 indeed it is crazy. I think what is worrying is that the board can't get them to stay. When half a team wants out something isn't quite right. I think it's common sense really. I earn £35k a week and my mate has just got a £1m signing on bonus and is now earning £80k a week - I want a piece of that. I don't get what's difficult to fathom out of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block34 Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 I think it's common sense really. I earn £35k a week and my mate has just got a £1m signing on bonus and is now earning £80k a week - I want a piece of that. I don't get what's difficult to fathom out of that. I presume that's what St Marco is saying in effect - "why, for goodness sakes, isn't 'the Board' paying every player exactly what they're asking for? Irrespective of whether it is affordable or good business sense" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjwills Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 I presume that's what St Marco is saying in effect - "why, for goodness sakes, isn't 'the Board' paying every player exactly what they're asking for? Irrespective of whether it is affordable or good business sense" Do that and we could be the new P*rtsm*uth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Doesn't seem as Spurs are that bothered about new signings this summer. Don't think they have any money tbh. When asked about incomings to White Hart Lane, he said: "Not many. We have a very good and big squad. Last summer the club made a big effort during the window and I believe in these players. We are always looking to improve but we don't expect big change." Speaking ahead of Spurs' first pre-season game against Seattle on Saturday night, the former Southampton boss said his initial task is to establish a playing philosophy at the club. "It's a different club to Southampton. Tottenham is a bigger club and we need to win, but not only win, we need to create a good philosophy. Our philosophy is exciting football, pressing attacking football. "This is our target for the moment. During the season the targets will come." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 indeed it is crazy. I think what is worrying is that the board can't get them to stay. When half a team wants out something isn't quite right. I think the main point is that a lot of them have stayed with us for so long already. It's not like Lovren throwing his toys out of the pram after one season, the likes of Lallana and Schneiderlin have put in some serious time and were always going to leave at some point. I suppose the question in their minds is why not now? We've had the spine of the same team for ages in football terms, losing no one over the age of 19 that we didn't want to sell. Unless players are staying here forever, they have to leave at some point. Morgan might stay another year, but it surely won't be any longer than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 If Schneiderlin goes to a bigger club, on bigger wages and for a big fee how is that evidence of "boardroom incompetence"? I think there comes a point regardless of player posturing when the club says enough is enough for this window, better replacements or not we would have effectively lost our spine and most creative player. Now I know thats worst case scenario and we arent there yet but Id be genuinely worried about the season in that case. I get players are leaving because of cash and honours however the early signs of player unrest lead me to worry about what the relationship was between board and players, I do concede though that it now is seemingly calming down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 I think there comes a point regardless of player posturing when the club says enough is enough for this window, better replacements or not we would have effectively lost our spine and most creative player. Its a hard balance to strike. If you have three wantaways what is worse - allowing them to go and removing the spine of the team, or forcing them to stay and creating a nucleus of unrest which saps team spirit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 I think the relationship between board and players is a complete red herring. If not we would be rather unique. Tell me of another PL club which has this mythical boardroom/player relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 Its a hard balance to strike. If you have three wantaways what is worse - allowing them to go and removing the spine of the team, or forcing them to stay and creating a nucleus of unrest which saps team spirit? Its not a position Id want to be in but effectively Id rather say no, your here this year. There is no excuse about playing for a championship as the next is in 2016. Effectively they wont want to play badly as they need to keep up their profile. Personally I think that its the better of the two evils. As far as a midfield of VW, JC and SD is concerned its not as strong as any with MS. He will be a huge blow, more than losing any other player IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 July, 2014 Share Posted 19 July, 2014 I think the relationship between board and players is a complete red herring. If not we would be rather unique. Tell me of another PL club which has this mythical boardroom/player relationship. Way to take the words completely out of context there. The player board relationship Id expect is based on trust that the ambition matches that of the players, or there abouts. And Id argue that the exodus was caused at least in part by the players developing a lack of trust there. As per whoever said the analogy of their mate earning double it doesnt work. At work you are on a rolling contract with legal protection saying you are able to leave and use your skills anywhere you want. A footballing contract is an agreement that for £X a week the club will hold your footballing registration, as required by the relevant authorities for X weeks. So in reality the club is in a stronger position then Derek the corner shop manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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