Ronald Koeman to be offered a pay-rise and a contract extension at Saints

[Saint-Armstrong]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/southampton-offer-ronald-koeman-new-6464008

[SaintMB]

Would love him to commit to longer, but I can't see it.

[Tommy Mulgrew]

Not surprised. Good on Saints for moving to protect our interests. Will be interesting to see whether RK bites.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Would love him to commit to longer, but I can't see it.

 

Suspect he'll sit on his existing deal because he'll be unsure whether he could do any better with us than he did last season.

[Redslo]

I always assumed he would extend one year and then take over the Holland job after the 2018 world cup.

[Saint86]

Likewise, would love it, but won't happen / Can't see it... He wants holland or barcelona

[5string]

I always assumed he would extend one year and then take over the Holland job after the 2018 world cup.

 

My money's on this, then going to Barcelona after a few years (maybe until after the 2022 World Cup?) in the national job.

[pluto]

I cant see Saints leaking this to the media (when they slate others for doing so) i imagine this is just passing up a question for tomorrows man united press conference. When you look at the Holland job i suppose we might get another year out of him here.

[Donatello]

I cant see Saints leaking this to the media (when they slate others for doing so) i imagine this is just passing up a question for tomorrows man united press conference. When you look at the Holland job i suppose we might get another year out of him here.

 

That's how I've initially interpreted it.

[pluto]

People do have to take on board ****e stirring journos wanting to unsettle SFC, its become the norm these days !

[angelman]

Would you really take the national job in your early 50s? It is usually the last job you take and then you retire. I suspect he wants to do a lot more before doing that, but maybe/maybe not with us.

[pimpin4rizeal]

Would love him to stay such a top bloke its kind of depressing thinking of him not being here

[Pastor Patrón]

Clearly he'll sign it, it's just to ensure that we get more compensation when he leaves for the Holland job and I'm sure the club have told him as much.

[Dellman]

If I was in his position and asked to extend my contract, I would want some assurance that the team I was building would not be sold off each summer, leaving me to start again.

[van Hanegem]

I believe that it is better for the Saints and Koeman when they part after three years. Koeman is not known for having a long time vision which results in doing the same thing every year (same tactics, same practises and so on). When things start to become a 'routine' there is usually no progress in the long run and then things fall apart, usually ending in sacking the manager and a club left in turmoil. The board of Southampton would be wise to start soon to think about the future without Koeman. For example: how would they like to see the Saints play and what type of coach/manager is the right man to make things happen?

[doddisalegend]

If I was in his position and asked to extend my contract, I would want some assurance that the team I was building would not be sold off each summer, leaving me to start again.

 

Has that actually happed to Koeman? Most of the players that left during his first summer he never even met and this summer the club sold two whole players which by any stretch is difficult to call selling off a team.

[doddisalegend]

I believe that it is better for the Saints and Koeman when they part after three years. Koeman is not known for having a long time vision which results in doing the same thing every year (same tactics, same practises and so on). When things start to become a 'routine' there is usually no progress in the long run and then things fall apart, usually ending in sacking the manager and a club left in turmoil. The board of Southampton would be wise to start soon to think about the future without Koeman. For example: how would they like to see the Saints play and what type of coach/manager is the right man to make things happen?

 

Think that pretty much applies to most managers. TBF most managers are lucky to last three seasons at a club in modern football these days.

[eurosaint]

If he doesn't sign it, this could possibly bring a negative vibe to the club and perhaps dissuade new targets from coming in !

Bl##dy newspapers, it's not as if the club have announced it but these things have a way of causing unnecessary aggro which inevitably has a destabiling effect !

Grrrrr....

[Doctoroncall]

I always assumed he would extend one year and then take over the Holland job after the 2018 world cup.

 

Either that or have some kind of get out clause if Holland or a big club comes calling. Koeman then has the security of a longer term contract and avenues out if he's doing well.

[Saint Charlie]

It would be a big suprise IMO if he signed an extension.

 

There isnt a huge amount for him to gain by staying longer term because we are unlikely to have a better season than his first in charge and he knows every summer you have to rebuild which must be extremely frustrating and eventually will see a decline, even if slight (probably even this year).

 

If we get him to see out his 3 years then that is great for all parties IMO and we will have been mutually beneficial for each other.

[Wade Garrett]

Either that or have some kind of get out clause if Holland or a big club comes calling. Koeman then has the security of a longer term contract and avenues out if he's doing well.

 

What security does that give the club though?

 

If I was extending his deal and increasing his pay, I would feel entitled to some loyalty.

 

Would be great if it happened.

[benjii]

I believe that it is better for the Saints and Koeman when they part after three years. Koeman is not known for having a long time vision which results in doing the same thing every year (same tactics, same practises and so on). When things start to become a 'routine' there is usually no progress in the long run and then things fall apart, usually ending in sacking the manager and a club left in turmoil. The board of Southampton would be wise to start soon to think about the future without Koeman. For example: how would they like to see the Saints play and what type of coach/manager is the right man to make things happen?

 

I agree. I think Koeman was the right man for the right time but I would like us to go for a manager with a more defined football philosophy next time. I think our team is lacking a little identity.

 

Pochettino was too inflexible but he had a clear vision. I think Koeman is more of a pragmatist (the long ball fiasco against Midgetland being an example of false pragmatism).

 

We needed someone experienced with the gravitas to bring in some good signings but I think after next season we should go for a younger manager with an emphasis on attractive football.

[hasper57saint]

The last Manager we sacked was Nigel Adkins (cynically in my opinion) and his replacement left for 'better things'? RK will see out his contract because he has stated this.He can still take us on to higher places and I personally would like him to extend.Where these Journo's get their c r a p from isn't from the Club. Why would they leak this? OH! I almost forgot.We are playing the mighty Mancs on Sunday lets upset the Saints!With Clattenbergs help we can get UTD another three dodgy points!

[Batman]

why is everyone so sure this isnt from the club?

 

not as if we dont tap up players, leak stuff to the press ourselves before

[Lallana's Left Peg]

why is everyone so sure this isnt from the club?

 

not as if we dont tap up players, leak stuff to the press ourselves before

 

Why do you think the club would leak news like this if it wasn't true? If you are to brief the media it is usually for the clubs benefit. I don't see what benefit the club would have by leaking this and it not being true.

[The9]

Would you really take the national job in your early 50s? It is usually the last job you take and then you retire. I suspect he wants to do a lot more before doing that, but maybe/maybe not with us.

 

That's a very dated concept that isn't true in modern football.

 

Hiddink, van Basten, Advocaat, Van Gaal and Rijkaard have all had the Dutch job and gone on to manage club sides afterwards. Blind is nowhere near the end of his management career, either.

 

Not to mention all the England managers who went back into the club game - Hoddle, McClaren, Eriksson, Peter Taylor, Robson, Graham Taylor - Capello is basically the only one since Venables who managed more than 2 games who hasn't managed a club team since.

[Doctoroncall]

What security does that give the club though?

 

If I was extending his deal and increasing his pay, I would feel entitled to some loyalty.

 

Would be great if it happened.

 

The same as it would be now. At least it would be transparent on what his next step could be, the club receives compensation and it's all amicable.

 

Alternatively, the contract runs out and speculation and uncertainty deepens until Ron leaves.

 

It's not ideal for the club but neither is losing a good manager in similar circumstances as MP.

[doddisalegend]

I agree. I think Koeman was the right man for the right time but I would like us to go for a manager with a more defined football philosophy next time. I think our team is lacking a little identity.

 

Pochettino was too inflexible but he had a clear vision. I think Koeman is more of a pragmatist (the long ball fiasco against Midgetland being an example of false pragmatism).

 

We needed someone experienced with the gravitas to bring in some good signings but I think after next season we should go for a younger manager with an emphasis on attractive football.

 

That's quite a wish list. I think Koeman has got the first bit down. He is probably the highest profile manager we have ever had which certainly seems to help our recruitment. The second bit sounds like Eddie Howe but he certainly doesn't have the gravitas or arguably the experience at a top level. Interested to know who you think can cover all those bases and would consider coming to Saints.

[benjii]

That's quite a wish list. I think Koeman has got the first bit down. He is probably the highest profile manager we have ever had which certainly seems to help our recruitment. The second bit sounds like Eddie Howe but he certainly doesn't have the gravitas or arguably the experience at a top level. Interested to know who you think can cover all those bases and would consider coming to Saints.

 

Yes, I agree about Koeman. The first part of my last sentence was in the past tense: "we needed...". That is why Koeman was a great appointment. If we have another couple of seasons in mid/upper table in the Prem it won't be so important as long as we have a manager who engages players and sells or supports a coherent and attractive footballing vision. We were linked with Tuchel previously, for example, who went to Dortmund. He isn't a giant of the game but he was considered promising enough for a massive club like Dortmund.

 

Likewise, Swansea have recruited well under Monk.

 

You don't always need a "big name" but I think a "big name" was perfect for us last summer with the upheaval we had to endure. It reassured the fans and, probably, the remaining players.

[TwoPints]

Made up story. He'll be gone at the end of his current contract IMHO.

[van Hanegem]

Think that pretty much applies to most managers. TBF most managers are lucky to last three seasons at a club in modern football these days.

 

True, especially in the PL. I regularly wonder if British clubs like Stoke, West Ham, Liverpool etc. etc. do have a vision about their identity and the way they want to play. I get the impression they're just looking for big names, throwing around millions like pennies and still you get to see way too much boring football with every now and then some great class by individual players. With all the cash at hand it could and should be a lot different...

[Ex Lion Tamer]

I cant see Saints leaking this to the media (when they slate others for doing so) i imagine this is just passing up a question for tomorrows man united press conference. When you look at the Holland job i suppose we might get another year out of him here.

We routinely leak contract offers (e.g. J Rod, Wanyama, Cork) because numpties on here complain when players leave that we didn't try to keep them

[Donatello]

I'm not convinced that 'numpties on here' are the reason that the club leak offers. I think you're overstating our importance At any rate, leaks for player contracts are less significant than leaks for manager contracts (imo). No one's (openly) calling for Koeman to extend, and I can't imagine anyone at the club would want to disrupt him publicly during the season, let alone at the start. No, to me, it makes much more sense to chalk this up to journalism with the sole purpose of providing journalists something to talk about at press-conferences. But, as always, who knows. We'll see a question asked at the press conference though.

Edited 18 September, 2015 by Donatello

[Saint-Armstrong]

Nobody asked about this in the press conference.

 

(Unless they do so in the embargoed section for the newspapers - 22:30)

[Matthew Le God]

Nobody asked about this in the press conference.

 

(Unless they do so in the embargoed section for the newspapers - 22:30)

 

Yes they did, it was the very first question.

[Saint-Armstrong]

Yes they did, it was the very first question.

 

So they did. Official line...

 

 

@SouthamptonFC: Koeman: "I had several meetings with the board over the last two weeks but not about my contract. It's something for the future." #saintsfc

[Donatello]

Yes they did, it was the very first question.

 

Cheers for clarifying (proving me right ), I genuinely wasn't aware of that.

 

Edit: Just viewed, ha, yep, very first question. "Is that something that's been talked about?" "No"

[Saint_clark]

True, especially in the PL. I regularly wonder if British clubs like Stoke, West Ham, Liverpool etc. etc. do have a vision about their identity and the way they want to play. I get the impression they're just looking for big names, throwing around millions like pennies and still you get to see way too much boring football with every now and then some great class by individual players. With all the cash at hand it could and should be a lot different...

 

Look at the NFL, coaches are there for decades evolving their own sides and there's huge money involved in that.

[Turkish]

Nobody asked about this in the press conference.

 

(Unless they do so in the embargoed section for the newspapers - 22:30)

 

So they did. Official line...

 

 

@SouthamptonFC: Koeman: "I had several meetings with the board over the last two weeks but not about my contract. It's something for the future." #saintsfc

 

did you misse that on your twitter feed first time?

[MarkSFC]

Be happy if he signed a long term contract with release clause for Holland post 2018 WC or Barcelona anytime.

[Red]

So they did. Official line...

 

 

@SouthamptonFC: Koeman: "I had several meetings with the board over the last two weeks but not about my contract. It's something for the future." #saintsfc

 

Ergo, I am leaving at the end of my contract as I have always done! Which is fair enough, but not great encouragement to get players to sign new contracts really! Trust Les and Co. have it covered??

[CB Fry]

Ergo, I am leaving at the end of my contract as I have always done! Which is fair enough, but not great encouragement to get players to sign new contracts really! Trust Les and Co. have it covered??

Do you think that players signing four or five year contracts are expecting to play for the same manager the whole time?

 

Who the manager happens to be will be a little way down the list for most players.

 

We've got probably one more full season of Koeman after this. Three full seasons is pretty phenomenal stability these days. He goes, we move on to the next one.

[Batman]

he'll probably sign a new deal at the end of the season, take the (reported) hefty pay rise and then still probably leave if/when Holland come calling. which is fair enough

 

be silly not to if it is on offer

[CB Fry]

he'll probably sign a new deal at the end of the season, take the (reported) hefty pay rise and then still probably leave if/when Holland come calling. which is fair enough

 

be silly not to if it is on offer

True. He's going to Burley us.

[Red]

Do you think that players signing four or five year contracts are expecting to play for the same manager the whole time?

 

Who the manager happens to be will be a little way down the list for most players.

 

We've got probably one more full season of Koeman after this. Three full seasons is pretty phenomenal stability these days. He goes, we move on to the next one.

 

Not what I meant - rather if the manager is not prepared to commit his future, player is more likely to keep his options open - why would players with 2 years or less sign extensions if they don't know what the future holds? We may hire a cr ap manager (or one that has history with said player etc.). As with Clyne that impacts us in getting the best value at the very least. So losing Koeman is not the biggest issue, rather the implication that he is not with the "Southampton Way", and so question our "We March On!" vision!

[whelk]

Not what I meant - rather if the manager is not prepared to commit his future, player is more likely to keep his options open - why would players with 2 years or less sign extensions if they don't know what the future holds? We may hire a cr ap manager (or one that has history with said player etc.). As with Clyne that impacts us in getting the best value at the very least. So losing Koeman is not the biggest issue, rather the implication that he is not with the "Southampton Way", and so question our "We March On!" vision!

 

TBF I'm not with the 'we march on' nonsense. Just a fatuous fcking hashtag that people put on tweets. What does it mean? #YNWA #MrsMiggins

[CB Fry]

Not what I meant - rather if the manager is not prepared to commit his future, player is more likely to keep his options open - why would players with 2 years or less sign extensions if they don't know what the future holds? We may hire a cr ap manager (or one that has history with said player etc.). As with Clyne that impacts us in getting the best value at the very least. So losing Koeman is not the biggest issue, rather the implication that he is not with the "Southampton Way", and so question our "We March On!" vision!

When players sign new contracts, they do know what the future holds. Two, three, four or five years of sixty to eighty odd grand a bleedin' week.

[scotty]

TBF I'm not with the 'we march on' nonsense. Just a fatuous fcking hashtag that people put on tweets. What does it mean? #YNWA #MrsMiggins

 

It's not actually compulsory to read any tweets. I lasted a solid three days on twitter and a bigger bunch of c*nts I've never seen.

[Kenilworthy]

Let's remember that no Saints manager since Dave Jones has managed two full seasons with us. If Koeman completes this season it will be a good step forward in stability and if he does all three seasons he is contracted for I will be delighted.

[doddisalegend]

Let's remember that no Saints manager since Dave Jones has managed two full seasons with us. If Koeman completes this season it will be a good step forward in stability and if he does all three seasons he is contracted for I will be delighted.

 

that's a pretty amazing stat