CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Firstly, the British people have spoken and that decision must be respected. Secondly, it would be dishonest of me if I attempted to pretend that this morning I was not profoundly worried about the economic and poltical future of this nation. More concerned in fact than at any time since the dark days of the 1970's. So my congratulation go to the leavers on here who will obviously be delighted - even Wes Tender. What so many of you (sincerly I think) wanted above all else has come to pass. I however can't help but remember the old idiom that people should be careful what they wish for - lest they get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Quite smart approach by the official leave campaign (Boris) and the "shadow" leave campaign (Farage). They have effectively run two separate campaigns focusing on different issues and taken steps to distance themselves from each other (in public at any rate). So anti-immigration voters got their voice, and the more "moderate" pro-brexit voters also got their voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 24 June, 2016 Author Share Posted 24 June, 2016 The EU have to take a long hard look at themselves. We won't be the only country to take this course of action. The EU can either adapt to what the people actually want, or die. Their problem is they don't listen to the people, they lecture them. Very close vote, but the result has to be respected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 that is it. 1.3m in favour to leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 (edited) So, could this be seen as a massive victory for socialism over capitalism? Labour's John Mann saying its a victory for 'working class over middle class'. Or, according to my Facebook timeline, people are saying its a victory for 'stupid' people over cleverer people. I naively assumed people on all sides would be happy with democracy. It would appear not. Most people only seem happy with democracy when the vote goes their way. Gotta love human nature Edited 24 June, 2016 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 The EU have to take a long hard look at themselves. We won't be the only country to take this course of action. The EU can either adapt to what the people actually want, or die. Their problem is they don't listen to the people, they lecture them. Very close vote, but the result has to be respected. What the **** are you blathering about. Campaign's over pal. Time to ditch the meaningless soundbites. Four months in you're still probably clueless about what the EU is and isn't. Reminder that the referendum wasnt won on the basis of the evidence and facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 (edited) I think there's going to have to be a general election, do you think so. Why would the elected party carrying out an election pledge be grounds for a general election. Logically the opposite is true, isn't it? (I could argue both sides of this one by the way ) Edited 24 June, 2016 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Oh FFS. What kind of people do we live amongst? 52% is no kind of mandate for such a disastrous constitutional change. Nec audiendi qui solent dicere, vox populi, vox Dei, quum tumultuositas vulgi semper insaniae proxima sit. And those people should not be listened to who keep saying the voice of the people is the voice of God, since the riotousness of the crowd is always very close to madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 52% is no kind of mandate for such a disastrous constitutional change. . Lol , what a load of pony . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 All the major parties have been ignoring people's concerns over immigration for years and years - this is the result. Politicians need to understand that they are here to represent the will of the people, not to lecture them. They have reaped the whirlwind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Somewhere in large house in Berlin.... Angela. Angela. Wake up. There's some people banging on the door. "... most of them are young males, who appear to be of North African descent...". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Oh FFS. What kind of people do we live amongst? 52% is no kind of mandate for such a disastrous constitutional change. N. Well it kinda is, as I explained to you yesterday. Today's Europe is built partially at least on a handful of French votes in a referendum that many still think was rigged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 All the major parties have been ignoring people's concerns over immigration for years and years - this is the result. Politicians need to understand that they are here to represent the will of the people, not to lecture them. They have reaped the whirlwind. And do you think that by leaving immigration will just suddenly stop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Where's Dave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 And do you think that by leaving immigration will just suddenly stop? It should certainly become more controlable yes, but anyway it's sure that there will be nothing very instantaneous about it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Where's Dave? Resignation coming at 08:00, apparently... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 (edited) And do you think that by leaving immigration will just suddenly stop? No one thinks that. It is the idea that having control may well be good for us Edited 24 June, 2016 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 So the generation who had the jobs, houses and opportunities have knived the young in the back. Nice one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 And do you think that by leaving immigration will just suddenly stop? It should certainly become more controlable yes, but anyway it's sure that there will be nothing very instantaneous about it all. Genuine question, do you think the French will be so dedicated in their efforts to stop potential illegal immigrants from crossing the border over to the UK now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 No one thinks that. It is the idea that having control may well be good for us I'm sure people will be thinking about the control of boarders (which we already had) when some of the their jobs are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 So the generation who had the jobs, houses and opportunities have knived the young in the back. Nice one. Very well put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 And do you think that by leaving immigration will just suddenly stop? No, but if the government policy on immigration is not working the public will vote in someone else with a different plan. Something we currently can't do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Genuine question, do you think the French will be so dedicated in their efforts to stop potential illegal immigrants from crossing the border over to the UK now? Doubt it, but then it's up to the UK to take over isn't it. We'll see how we get on with the jungle, in theory they have no reason to stay put because they're not interested in staying in France anyway. Perhaps they'll all swan off to Angelaland, she likes them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Very well put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Doubt it, but then it's up to the UK to take over isn't it. We'll see how we get on with the jungle, in theory they have no reason to stay put because they're not interested in staying in France anyway. Perhaps they'll all swan off to Angelaland, she likes them. Yeah, it was a stupid question really. I just imagine they'll be lots of boats on the water now heading this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 So the generation who had the jobs, houses and opportunities have knived the young in the back. Nice one. So half the population have jobs , houses & opportunities and half don't . What complete and utter pony . If your ridiculous analysis is right , how do you explain the poorest , forgotten about areas went heavily for leave and London the richest most privileged part of the country heavily for remain . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Biscuits Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Interesting times ahead then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Resignation coming at 08:00, apparently... Brits don't quit, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Cameron: 'We should be proud of the fact that we trusted the people. There are times when it is right to ask the people themselves, and that is what we have done. The British people have chosen to leave, and their will must be respected.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Bet the Gibraltarians feel shafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Brits don't quit, lol We just have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 DC goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Cameron: 'I'm very proud and very honoured to have been Prime Minister of this country for six years. I believe we've made great steps: more people in work, reforms to education... and enabling those who love each other to get married, no matter their sexuality. And restoring our economic strength. We have to confront big decisions, not duck them. That's why we went into coalition and why we delivered a fair and legal referendum in Scotland and it's why I held a referendum on our EU membership.' 'I gave my views: head, heart and soul. I made clear my views and I made clear that it was about this, and this alone. And I made clear it wasn't about any politician. However, I recognise the need for fresh leadership.' 'I do not think it would be right for me to be the captain that steers our nation's ship. I do think it's in our interest to have stability. I won't set a date, but I think we should have a new Prime Minister in place by the time of the Conservative Party Conference in October.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 DC goes. * - in October Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 DC goes. That was inevitable. He will always be remembered as the one who took Britain out of Europe and very possibly broke up the Union. Who are we going to be stuck with now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Thought he was going to trigger article 50 the very next day, and he's now saying that our economy can thrive out of the Eu . Obviously lying during campaign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Thought he was going to trigger article 50 the very next day, and he's now saying that our economy can thrive out of the Eu . Obviously lying during campaign Not at all. He previously said the economy can thrive outside the EU, but was better and more likely to thrive from within. He's been pretty consistent on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 I am very disappointed, but recognise the result and now desperately want to see some real leadership to ensure we execute our withdrawal for the EU effectively and honourably. I am a glass half full person and while this result saddens me it provides an opportunity to re-energise politics and increase engagement and participation. The hard part has just begun and delivering the benefits of Brexit will be watched closely. The euphoria of gaining independence for the United Kingdom may well presage the break up of the United Kingdom as Scotland voted unanimously to Remain and will I believe leave the Union. Cameron is rightly being challenged on his failure to deliver a remain vote and will resign, but in my view it Corbyn who should shoulder the most blame and resign. Corbyn has been an apathetic participant in the campaign, it is the Labour Heartlands that have delivered on a Right Wing policy and he should resign. Finally whilst we have had some impassioned exchanges and penned the odd insult I have enjoyed the debate on here. There have been some thought provoking and heartfelt arguments from both sides and if that can be magnified across politics in general around the country that can only be a good thing for democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 how do you explain the poorest , forgotten about areas went heavily for leave Predominantly due to a lack of education. Cornwall, Wales etc are heavily subsidised by the EU. The pain will get worse, despite all the promises of an extra £350m per day saving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Compared to the fate of the nation one idiot poiltican's (ruined) reputation is of no importance whatsoever. Boris will clearly be a frontrunner to replace Cameron, but Teresa May has been exceptional careful to place herself in the middle ground of Conservative politics and might attract support from all sections of that party I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 I hope the other EU countries will get their referendums now so we can all be in the shït together and start afresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 I hope the other EU countries will get their referendums now so we can all be in the shït together and start afresh. Yep. Get a few of them out and then join a trading block again which is what it was supposed to be in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upwind Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Boris to take over............... fook me. Even better Boris and Trump............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatboy40 Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 I however can't help but remember the old idiom that people should be careful what they wish for - lest they get it. Conversely 'What doesn't kill you make you stronger'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 I hope the other EU countries will get their referendums now so we can all be in the shït together and start afresh. The trouble is that it would take a generation to recover from all the mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Conversely 'What doesn't kill you make you stronger'. But it can leave you permanently crippled with wounds that will never heal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Maybe if people are so concerned by the impact of Brexit they should have listened to the concerns of English people sooner. Being a Labour/Left-Wing supporter must be similar to being a Skate these days. Failure, after failure, completely out of touch with reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 What the **** are you blathering about. Campaign's over pal. Time to ditch the meaningless soundbites. Four months in you're still probably clueless about what the EU is and isn't. Reminder that the referendum wasnt won on the basis of the evidence and facts. Someone hasn't taken this morning's result well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 All the major parties have been ignoring people's concerns over immigration for years and years - this is the result. Politicians need to understand that they are here to represent the will of the people, not to lecture them. They have reaped the whirlwind. Exactly this. People crying about the result should pay more attention to the views of ordinary English people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 24 June, 2016 Share Posted 24 June, 2016 Maybe if people are so concerned by the impact of Brexit they should have listened to the concerns of English people sooner. Being a Labour/Left-Wing supporter must be similar to being a Skate these days. Failure, after failure, completely out of touch with reality. Conversely what a great time to be a right wing racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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