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Whitey Grandad

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13 minutes ago, Sergei Gotsmanov said:

Champagne was traditionally drunk in pint bottles wine wasn't. I agree with you though that champagne is overrated!

With still wines it is of course easier to have various bottle sizes but where the process relies on secondary fermentation more investment is needed.

We have traditionally visited a vineyard near Chenonceaux in summer for some of my wife’s favourite Touraine Sauvignon Blanc and they do a very drinkable fizzy that we have with our extended family on Christmas morning with scrambled eggs and smoked salmon.

https://www.pereauguste.com/en/product/methode-traditionnelle-blanc-brut-ou-demi-sec/

Sadly now that I am on my own such visits have lost their main purpose.

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badgerx16

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18 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/dec/30/britons-brexit-bad-uk-poll-eu-finances-nhs

Brexit has completely failed for UK, say clear majority of Britons – poll

Only one in 10 feel leaving the EU has helped their finances, while just 9% say it has benefited the NHS, despite £350m a week pledge according to new poll

But the important thing is that it has benefitted Boris, Dom Cummings, Moggy, and their rich backers.

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sadoldgit

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More grim news.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/brexit-fallout-finally-dawns-on-london-s-stock-market/ar-AA1mTHyl?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=a816fa32892c436ba455dc9e0cf8347d&ei=30

(Another laughing emoji Lord Legohead. I’m glad you think it’s funny to see the country go to the dogs, but then you think that the ethnic cleansing of Gaza is very funny too, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised).

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sadoldgit

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2 hours ago, Danbert said:

I see another oven-ready trade deal has turned out to be slightly more complex than the government expected.

:mcinnes:

More and more Brexit chickens coming home to roost. Has Kemi made an announcement about the failed Canada trade deal yet?

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badgerx16

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18 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

Something something Trudeau something something fucking pinko something hates Britain something 

Don't forget the Canada deal is all about cheese.

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Breixt is turning out exactly as anticipated, and so I'm surprised everytime anyone is surprised. It was always clear to all sides about the consequences of the vote, and yet some still think we should have stayed, but its delivering exactly as promised.

1. We knew trade deals would be worse when negotiating as a single country than when dealing as a 27 country block. That's just an accepted consequence for 52% of the 2016 uk population.

2. We knew it would take a long time for the economy to recover, in the order of decades, not single digit years. We're still very early on. That guy from the beano who was in cabinet at the time said it would be 50 years.

3. We knew we would need to replace immigration from the EU with that from further afield, leading to an increase in racial diversity etc. And more complex challenges with integration. We knew all this very clearly before the vote.

So we all knew brexit was self harm when it comes to economy and immigration. That's not why we, as a country, voted for brexit.

We voted for brexit so that something something something, sovereignty something something. And we have that now.

 

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1 hour ago, Danbert said:

More red tape for import/export to go online soon creating chaos, adding costs and turning Sevington in my home town of Ashford into a lorry park for no good reason

:mcinnes:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/27/its-impossible-to-plan-uk-importers-braced-for-storm-at-ports-amid-new-brexit-checks

 Before we left the EU how was the import of these products managed ? Surely the EU manufacturers aren't now making products that fail the EU standards that we used to accept, just to send to the UK. ( And the argument works equally for UK exports to trhe EU ).

 Presumably it is because, post-Brexit, the UK has chosen to diverge from the EU certifications, in which case it is another stupid own-goal by the spiteful, eurosceptic, headbangers.

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Whitey Grandad

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2 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

 Before we left the EU how was the import of these products managed ? Surely the EU manufacturers aren't now making products that fail the EU standards that we used to accept, just to send to the UK. ( And the argument works equally for UK exports to trhe EU ).

 Presumably it is because, post-Brexit, the UK has chosen to diverge from the EU certifications, in which case it is another stupid own-goal by the spiteful, eurosceptic, headbangers.

If they are making sub-standard products what better place to send them than here?

The Single Market wasn’t just a matter of making products to a common standard. There had to be a regulatory system to ensure conformity with them. Hence the ECJ which ‘we’ decided we didn’t want to have any influence over us.

Now we have no protection against rubbish products.

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sadoldgit

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4 hours ago, Danbert said:

More red tape for import/export to go online soon creating chaos, adding costs and turning Sevington in my home town of Ashford into a lorry park for no good reason

:mcinnes:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/27/its-impossible-to-plan-uk-importers-braced-for-storm-at-ports-amid-new-brexit-checks

I don’t live far from Sevington either. My wife’s niece used to be stationed there for Border Force when it was hardly used. At least it will have some use now 🙁. Maybe some day we will finally see the benefits we were supposed to be getting from Brexit 🥺

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15 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Yes. We had no cities blockaded by tractors before we left.

So that falls into the same category as having a crown on pint glasses and being able to run our own vaccination programs.

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11 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

So that falls into the same category as having a crown on pint glasses and being able to run our own vaccination programs.

Phew. There was me thinking it could be a Brexit benefit. Glad to know it was an EU benefit after all.

The current EU blockades must be coming our way soon then, maybe they're just delayed by paperwork crossing the channel?

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16 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

 

How is withdrawing eu funding "sabotage"? Surely they mean to help them "reclaim their sovereignty as an independent thinking nation"? And something about eu bureaucrats?

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sadoldgit

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I think that most of us remember what you said about “frictionless trade” when you were trying to sell Brexit to us Andrea!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/31/uk-minister-andrea-leadsom-brexit-checks-price-you-pay-sovereign-state-again?utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=discover&utm_campaign=CCwQspTtsbO5sKQvGN_u7oeM8dyArgEqJwgwEJuBxeif1NPaKBjd3s6Pu971ypsBKg4IACoGCAowl6p7MN-zCQ&utm_content=bullets

 

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She lives in a parallel universe Soggy, don't expect Looney Leadsom to make sense.

When asked what the successes of Brexy were, Leadsom told LBC News: “I’m hugely delighted at Brexit. We have our sovereignty back, we’re in control of our money, laws and borders. The NHS has considerably more than £350m a week and we’ve signed up to 70 trade deals.”
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4 hours ago, Danbert said:

She lives in a parallel universe Soggy, don't expect Looney Leadsom to make sense.

When asked what the successes of Brexy were, Leadsom told LBC News: “I’m hugely delighted at Brexit. We have our sovereignty back, we’re in control of our money, laws and borders. The NHS has considerably more than £350m a week and we’ve signed up to 70 trade deals.”
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Meanwhile in the real world, more UK businesses incurring extra costs and bureaucracy https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68126880

I don’t know this article will be visible, and what correlation there is to Brexit, or whether historically low productivity is more of a factor, but it’s interesting that the cost of major road and rail projects is nearly double the EU. The nearest most expensive in the G7 is the US and only Australia amongst the developed nations is higher. Doesn’t exactly make a further argument for Brexit benefits even if not the direct cause as there’s been a few years to drive project costs down https://www.ft.com/content/9cc19ce5-fbdb-4285-80ac-498f01f97dfd

It probably says more about the shortcomings of economies driven heavily by the supply side and share capital but of course the advocates for that approach tend to also be loudly pro-Brexit.

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On 29/01/2024 at 17:29, Weston Super Saint said:

Phew. There was me thinking it could be a Brexit benefit. Glad to know it was an EU benefit after all.

The current EU blockades must be coming our way soon then, maybe they're just delayed by paperwork crossing the channel?

We have been discussing it, at length, yes. The post-Brexit deal is as piss poor as it was before, but with a smaller market. 

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1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

I think that most of us remember what you said about “frictionless trade” when you were trying to sell Brexit to us Andrea!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/31/uk-minister-andrea-leadsom-brexit-checks-price-you-pay-sovereign-state-again?utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=discover&utm_campaign=CCwQspTtsbO5sKQvGN_u7oeM8dyArgEqJwgwEJuBxeif1NPaKBjd3s6Pu971ypsBKg4IACoGCAowl6p7MN-zCQ&utm_content=bullets

 

Where does a business that imports fresh cut flowers find an alternative source outside the EU to replace the business previously done with the Netherlands ?

Remember, these are the border checks that those arch-brexiteers JRM and Lord Frost opposed, saying they would add £1Bn to business costs.

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8 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Where does a business that imports fresh cut flowers find an alternative source outside the EU to replace the business previously done with the Netherlands ?

Leadson was asked about this. She suggested that the florist looked for flower suppliers in the UK.... in the middle of an English winter!! 😁

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Leadson was asked about this. She suggested that the florist looked for flower suppliers in the UK.... in the middle of an English winter!! 😁

Just shows how fucking clueless and out of touch they are.

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15 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

Leadson was asked about this. She suggested that the florist looked for flower suppliers in the UK.... in the middle of an English winter!! 😁

British flowers for British people!

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8 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

Leadson was asked about this. She suggested that the florist looked for flower suppliers in the UK.... in the middle of an English winter!! 😁

I suppose if they can grow flowers in the Netherlands winter they out grow them here. Maybe that’s the cunning plan to get UK farmers to start growing them? Trouble is our growers would stymied by energy costs. I’m sure they could grow them in say Australia and ship them here! 😂

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59 minutes ago, Winnersaint said:

I suppose if they can grow flowers in the Netherlands winter they out grow them here. Maybe that’s the cunning plan to get UK farmers to start growing them? Trouble is our growers would stymied by energy costs. I’m sure they could grow them in say Australia and ship them here! 😂

Brexiteers like Leadsom say that is what should happen. We should grow flowers here and not import them. 

Unfortunately the practicalities are immense. Ignoring the issue of high energy costs. not even the most ardent Brexiteer could establish in the short / medium term the infrastructure to supply the quantities or the variety of flowers that the market currently enjoys. 

Anyway who needs flowers when you have your "soverentee. " 

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Whitey Grandad

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3 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

It's the flower shops that have the problem.

I knew that. I was just being silly. Or thinking like a Cabinet Minister if you like.

 

1 hour ago, Winnersaint said:

I suppose if they can grow flowers in the Netherlands winter they out grow them here. Maybe that’s the cunning plan to get UK farmers to start growing them? Trouble is our growers would stymied by energy costs. I’m sure they could grow them in say Australia and ship them here! 😂

A lot are flown in from South America and the big Bloemveiling flower auction at Aalsmeer is right next to Schipol airport. 

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37 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

Brexiteers like Leadsom say that is what should happen. We should grow flowers here and not import them. 

Unfortunately the practicalities are immense. Ignoring the issue of high energy costs. not even the most ardent Brexiteer could establish in the short / medium term the infrastructure to supply the quantities or the variety of flowers that the market currently enjoys. 

Anyway who needs flowers when you have your "soverentee. " 

A taskforce headed up by Dido Harding will sort this issue out.

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Good idea, and if Dido needs help her good friend Matt Hancock knows a guy who has a window box - he can sell us roses at £30m each, while Chris Grayling can open up that Dutch market by sailing a fleet of warehouses between Gibraltar and the new freeport at Keswick. 

 

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18 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

Brexiteers like Leadsom say that is what should happen. We should grow flowers here and not import them. 

Unfortunately the practicalities are immense. Ignoring the issue of high energy costs. not even the most ardent Brexiteer could establish in the short / medium term the infrastructure to supply the quantities or the variety of flowers that the market currently enjoys. 

Anyway who needs flowers when you have your "soverentee. " 

I went to a flower and fruit farm in Thailand that specialised in 'exotic' non native species. Through use of air conditioning and sunlight filters - they grew second rate roses and strawberries at prices way higher than you'd pay in Britain. I'm sure though they could grow fantastic orchids and papaya at prices much cheaper than we could here. Someone should gently use a mallet to explain to Leadsom how and why trade came about.    

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3 hours ago, buctootim said:

I went to a flower and fruit farm in Thailand that specialised in 'exotic' non native species. Through use of air conditioning and sunlight filters - they grew second rate roses and strawberries at prices way higher than you'd pay in Britain. I'm sure though they could grow fantastic orchids and papaya at prices much cheaper than we could here. Someone should gently use a mallet to explain to Leadsom how and why trade came about.    

But if you went to Thailand who knows what sorts of diseases you might bring back?

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I am sure the 'mob' will jump over this....

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The dismal truth about Brexit, is that it's done bugger all. Most people can't name one thing outside of work that has changed as a result of Brexit. The economy has proven stubbornly resilient to shocks, including Covid lockdowns, defying all the doomsayers - myself included.

Those who take extended holidays in France might have noticed a few Brexit related marginal inconveniences, but absolutely nobody cares. The hospitality and farming sectors are whingeing that they don't have the same access to exploitable foreign labour (boo hoo), but energy costs have eaten into disposable incomes so demand for domestic hospitality is declining. Farming has its own problems, most of which are caused by Net Zero measures and stupid environmental regulations.

We are locked in a decline spiral, primarily because of our moribund political class. A trend that existed well before Brexit, and in fact caused it, and is accelerating by the day. At most Brexit has gummed up trade for SMEs and driven up the cost of goods shipped from the EU, but the worst of our economic woes are caused by volatile fuel prices (Ukraine/Gaza), and rising energy costs as a direct consequence of Net Zero policies.

It's even worse in the EU and if the Commission can make things worse, it will. These boring, tedious, slow-witted hacks have no concept of what is happening or why. The Twentieth century world order is collapsing, and the sentiment behind Brexit is mirrored in just about every European country, giving rise to new populist movements in Italy, Germany, France, Slovakia, Demark and now Ireland. Europe has stagnated under EU rule, while mass immigration is ripping the political settlement apart.

Not only do political elites not know what to do, they don't even see the problems, and have no intention of acting, which is why Europe is on the brink of revolution. These dullards obsess about Brexit because confronting the world as we now find it would blow apart all the weak assumptions upon which they've based their core identities - and they might have to grapple with the fact they've been wrong about just about everything their entire adult lives.

 

 

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