adrian lord Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 God help us if we cash in on one of Fonte or VVD in Jan. That would be surrender and suicide. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 Does anyone honestly think that with the likes of Wanyama, Mane, Pelle or even Lallana still at the club we would really be any different under Puel?? I agree that the calibre of player we now have isn't anywhere near on a par with what we have let go over the last few summers, but I just don't see how, with the turgid, pedestrian, defensive style of football Puel has us playing that things would be any different if we had retained that talent. What brings out the best in Mane & Lallana, in particular at Liverpool now, is the pace at which the team plays and turns defence into attack allowing them to showcase their skills in the right area of the pitch against defences that are on the retreat not through slow, ponderous build-up play that allows defences to get organised and into position. This is the crux of the problem. Even if you had Man City's attacking riches they'd struggle with this safety first approach. You don't need to have good quality players to be a threat in an attacking sense, look at Burnley for example who put 4 past a woeful Sunderland team that we only scored against as a result of a goalkeeping howler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 We made the mistake in 2004 in buying journeymen. A big squad of mediocre players. That was panic buying by a new (bent) manager and we were in a relegation position. Hardly today's scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 Agreed. What has happened to him? His confidence looks absolutely shot. As he stormed down the tunnel after being subbed he threw a Boufelesque type strop too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 As he stormed down the tunnel after being subbed he threw a Boufelesque type strop too. I personally don`t mind a player being pi ssed at being subbed better than him being glad to get off.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 I personally don`t mind a player being pi ssed at being subbed better than him being glad to get off.. I agree but it was out of character for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 As he stormed down the tunnel after being subbed he threw a Boufelesque type strop too. There are lots of little signs like this that the team just aren't accepting Puel's decision making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 That would be surrender and suicide. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk As he stormed down the tunnel after being subbed he threw a Boufelesque type strop too. Know you don't like tadic. Towards the end of last season was as good as anyone in prem in his position, 7 goals 12 assists last season is good. However, the style of play and not having a cross to Pelle or through ball to mane is making it tough. He's having to hold on to ball or pick out one midgit in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 Hojbjerg needs a serious run in this team. Not sure how he can be expected to adapt to a new league by being taken in and out. I really, really hope the 2nd half of the season will see us field consistent sides as we'll have plenty of free weeks. Hoj is exactly the sort of player who will benefit from a sustained run in a side. He clearly has all the tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 Hojbjerg needs a serious run in this team. Not sure how he can be expected to adapt to a new league by being taken in and out. I really, really hope the 2nd half of the season will see us field consistent sides as we'll have plenty of free weeks. Hoj is exactly the sort of player who will benefit from a sustained run in a side. He clearly has all the tools. He's not alone, Long and Jay Rod need a run, similar to Lambert who used to get better the more games he played. I suspect Long is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoateallthepies Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 Krueger ? He still even at the club ? For me its clear; no more expenditure, liquidate some assets while on paper not fundamentally affecting business viability, sell. We no longer have a board that are interested in the football. Although we don't know this for a fact, it seems probable. Doubt there will be any money spent in January; maybe a few attempts at loans till end of the season. if this happen it adds further evidence for me that they are planning to sell in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 God help us if we cash in on one of Fonte or VVD in Jan. Why should we worry about Fonte leaving? He hardly ever gets a game anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 We actually played well until we took the lead. At this point I said to my son 'now it's our game to lose'. We'd carved out the opening now we had to stay compact and well organized and stop WBA having time on the ball and space. I'm thinking of our we shut up the game against Arsenal when we got beaten 2-1. What we did was just dumb and unprofessional. We were 2v2 at the back for their first goal. Martinez had pushed up and allowed his man to get behind him, causing a 3v2 overload. The shot wasn't clinical and Forster should have done better. It's the way we lost upsets me. It wasn't disciplined. It wasn't organized and that's not the 'Southampton Way'. VVD has been a shadow of himself in last few games. Flat footed and lacking concentration and discipline. We've been lightweight in midfield for quite a while and we need to immediately change this. Sometimes we need to change to 2 defensive midfielders and this is where I begin to question our playing style. The diamond has attacking limitations. In the end Puel looked desperate of ideas in this match. We beat ourselves yesterday and that's what hurts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 Why should we worry about Fonte leaving? He hardly ever gets a game anyway. 17 apps this season is not 'hardly ever'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 I agree. He's available and his name is Morgan Schneiderlin, if we don't even attempt to sign him in Jan then it's another shocking decision to add to the list already made this season. Hardly made his name as a "drive into the box" type of player, did he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 Hardly made his name as a "drive into the box" type of player, did he? but he would allow us to play 4231 and get another player further forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 I can see why people want Morgan back, but even if he did come back we'd still need another type of midfielder as he's not the sort we're missing. He'd be a perfect replacement for Clasie/JWP with Romeu sitting deep. But we're not looking to replace those players, so it's a mute point. Then you get someone else along side him who can drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 but he would allow us to play 4231 and get another player further forward We don't play 4.2.3.1 which is the problem imo not the players ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 Talking about Morgans, Morgan Sanson CDAJFU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 None of our players could score a goal like Arsenal have just scored . Puel out ..... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 A pal of mine had non football business with one of the squad recently. The conversation quickly turned to Saints and the player said many of the squad were unhappy with the safety first tactics and style of play. Just passing on what I'm told. Don't shoot me, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 None of our players could score a goal like Arsenal have just scored . Puel out ..... Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkBreaking quickly from own penalty area with several players busting a gut to get up in support? Nope. Not the current Saints style I sad to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 Breaking quickly from own penalty area with several players busting a gut to get up in support? Nope. Not the current Saints style I sad to say. That sort of behaviour is not possible if you have European competition to worry about as well..it would tire players needlessly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintMB Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 A pal of mine had non football business with one of the squad recently. The conversation quickly turned to Saints and the player said many of the squad were unhappy with the safety first tactics and style of play. Just passing on what I'm told. Don't shoot me, please. Why do these 'friend of a friend' style claims never actually name names? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 (edited) Why do these 'friend of a friend' style claims never actually name names? I knew Norm years ago and as far as I'm concerned if he says something I believe him 100%. How could they be happy forced to play the dross they are playing. Saints are the only team I've seen playing 4-5-1 attacking with one in the box and five further back. Edited 1 January, 2017 by derry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 Thank you derry (Happy New Year). Re naming the player, I know his name and I trust the person that told me of the conversation. It really must be obvious why I haven't mention him by name, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 A pal of mine had non football business with one of the squad recently. The conversation quickly turned to Saints and the player said many of the squad were unhappy with the safety first tactics and style of play. Just passing on what I'm told. Don't shoot me, please. We do seem to have been saved from the normal gushing "best ive worked with" type comments you normally get with a new manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 Thank you derry (Happy New Year). Re naming the player, I know his name and I trust the person that told me of the conversation. It really must be obvious why I haven't mention him by name, surely? Happy New Year to you Norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 A pal of mine had non football business with one of the squad recently. The conversation quickly turned to Saints and the player said many of the squad were unhappy with the safety first tactics and style of play. Just passing on what I'm told. Don't shoot me, please. Hearing similar whispers. Players not being happy is nothing new and not terminal but nevertheless something to ponder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 Hearing similar whispers. Players not being happy is nothing new and not terminal but nevertheless something to ponder That's why teams that have struggled, bring in a common sense manager and the players are suddenly performing like potential champions. It often gets a lot worse before it get's better a la Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 Chelsea players suddenly remembered how to play football last season after Mourinho left. As I've said before, once a manager has lost the dressing room, he is finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintMB Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 I knew Norm years ago and as far as I'm concerned if he says something I believe him 100%. How could they be happy forced to play the dross they are playing. Saints are the only team I've seen playing 4-5-1 attacking with one in the box and five further back. Fair enough. I'm still unsure how we can be at home against an opponent so obviously playing for a draw and still end up losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 That's why teams that have struggled, bring in a common sense manager and the players are suddenly performing like potential champions. It often gets a lot worse before it get's better a la Swansea. What's a common sense manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 What's a common sense manager? One that knows how to get the players onside and provides a new start putting square pegs in square holes and playing a way that suits the players at his disposal. Unlike Puel who insists the players play his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 One that knows how to get the players onside and provides a new start putting square pegs in square holes and playing a way that suits the players at his disposal. Unlike Puel who insists the players play his way. This rather ignores the fact that Puel has changed the way he plays during the season. Not sure what the better way is for our players, either. The team needs to play better but I'm not sure Puel defies common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 Funny how the snippets people hear from the dressing room always tallies with their opinion of the manager. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 This rather ignores the fact that Puel has changed the way he plays during the season. Not sure what the better way is for our players, either. The team needs to play better but I'm not sure Puel defies common sense. Bringing on Rodriguez then moving Long out wide left and JWP replacing Martina, chasing the game, not a lot of common sense there. Against Spurs again chasing the game three changes like for like changed nothing. Saving legs meant nothing at that point. Wholesale changes time and again and Long is saying the players are still struggling trying to play the managers way, no wonder. Changing the way a successful team played and making it worse is far from common sense. The diamond was dire the 4-3-3 with one striker is just as bad. 11 goals from play in 19 matches is disgraceful with the players available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 1 January, 2017 Share Posted 1 January, 2017 Funny how the snippets people hear from the dressing room always tallies with their opinion of the manager. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I'd keep Puel for now but have heard similar. Some of the players really aren't keen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 2 January, 2017 Share Posted 2 January, 2017 A pal of mine had non football business with one of the squad recently. The conversation quickly turned to Saints and the player said many of the squad were unhappy with the safety first tactics and style of play. Just passing on what I'm told. Don't shoot me, please. Glad to hear it. The sooner player power gets rid of this Goon the better. This is the bloke that attacks on the basis of whats going to happen when we lose the ball. To fail is acceptable but to repeatedly fail having never tried is inexcusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 2 January, 2017 Share Posted 2 January, 2017 I'd keep Puel for now but have heard similar. Some of the players really aren't keen. Well I am not keen on some of the players myself surely not everything is down to Puel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 2 January, 2017 Share Posted 2 January, 2017 One that knows how to get the players onside and provides a new start putting square pegs in square holes and playing a way that suits the players at his disposal. Unlike Puel who insists the players play his way. That sounds like 'arry talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 2 January, 2017 Share Posted 2 January, 2017 A pal of mine had non football business with one of the squad recently. The conversation quickly turned to Saints and the player said many of the squad were unhappy with the safety first tactics and style of play. Just passing on what I'm told. Don't shoot me, please. With our recent play in front of goal, you don't need to be afraid of shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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