Other Games - 2020/2021

[OttawaSaint]

Don’t see the point in having a guest ref like Dermott Gallagher in the studio, they just always agree with the match ref, sometimes having to do ludicrous mental gymnastics to get there.

[OttawaSaint]

55 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Fine by me, we’re going to need a couple of teams like Brighton to get spanked every week. Sadly it does mean we’ve lost our record of scoring the earliest and latest goals in Premier League history.

Did we have the latest? Who/when was that? 

[Lighthouse]

12 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said:

Did we have the latest? Who/when was that? 

Adams at Bournemouth in the 98th min.

[OttawaSaint]

17 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Adams at Bournemouth in the 98th min.

I thought Kuyt had the record for 102 minutes?

[Lighthouse]

5 minutes ago, OttawaSaint said:

I thought Kuyt had the record for 102 minutes?

You’re right. I could have sworn I’d read it was the latest.

[Barsiem]

6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

You’re right. I could have sworn I’d read it was the latest.

Latest that season I guess

[Teddeer]

With West Brom leading against Chelsea we currently sit bottom of the table.

[skintsaint]

Safe to say 3-0 up they probably will win from here.

[whelk]

20 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Safe to say 3-0 up they probably will win from here.

Bold statement 

[skintsaint]

39 minutes ago, whelk said:

Bold statement 

[Lighthouse]

Phew!

[skintsaint]

that's why i stopped gambling on football! 😄

[Lighthouse]

God, Barry is dull as a pundit.

[Saint Pete]

Just watching MOTD - handball decision given against Palace on VAR an absolute joke and totally agree with Hodgson’s reaction. It’s becoming just random luck whether as a defender you get penalised for the ball just hitting your hand accidentally, apparently due to adjustment of handball rule again this season. Needs to be clarified once and for all - is accidental handball no longer a thing to be taken in consideration?

[Lord Duckhunter]

11 hours ago, Saint Pete said:

Needs to be clarified once and for all - is accidental handball no longer a thing to be taken in consideration?

No, it isn’t. Accidental is no longer in the rules. 
 

It has been clarified, but the TV pundits, players and managers seem unable to grasp it. Did the ball hit the hand/arm  was the hand/arm in an unnatural position? If the answer to both was yes, it’s a pen. Whether it deflected off another player (as in ours against spurs), whether it came off your knee, or whether it was deliberate, is irrelevant. I’m not saying it’s a good definition, but it’s clear and simple, certainly simpler than trying to work out if a player meant to handle it. 

Edited 27 September, 2020 by Lord Duckhunter

[striker]

Hojbjerg spends as much time rolling on the ground as he does standing up. Thats about 3 times in the past 1 minute of play

[skintsaint]

Another joke pen given lol

[whelk]

Jose will be gracious no doubt. Fcking joke and messed up my bet too.

[steve green]

Bloody hilarious pen decision.

Jose, fair to say, not a happy bunny.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Kane sent off lol

[Saint Pete]

4 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

No, it isn’t. Accidental is no longer in the rules. 
 

It has been clarified, but the TV pundits, players and managers seem unable to grasp it. Did the ball hit the hand/arm  was the hand/arm in an unnatural position? If the answer to both was yes, it’s a pen. Whether it deflected off another player (as in ours against spurs), whether it came off your knee, or whether it was deliberate, is irrelevant. I’m not saying it’s a good definition, but it’s clear and simple, certainly simpler than trying to work out if a player meant to handle it. 

It's simpler for VAR, which in my opinion should not be what should is driving the rules of football. Surely VAR should be being used to help implement the rules as they always have been, not being used as a driver to change the rules just to suit VAR? It's a case of tail wagging dog.

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Kane sent off lol

Shit, wrong bloke. 

[steve green]

Just shoot at a defender's arm guys, bugger the goal.

Trouble is we're stuck with this 'till the season's end as you can't change it halfway through.

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 minutes ago, Saint Pete said:

It's simpler for VAR, which in my opinion should not be what should is driving the rules of football. Surely VAR should be being used to help implement the rules as they always have been, not being used as a driver to change the rules just to suit VAR? It's a case of tail wagging dog.

It’s exactly what it is. They’re taking subjectivity out of the game and refereeing by facts. However, it’s the Jose’s of the world plus pundits & press that have taken us down this path. If people just accepted that referees referee as they see it then,  and that the only real consistency you can have is between decisions on that day, it’s not going away.  They’ve made handball decisions consistent....

[Lord Duckhunter]

It doesn’t help when pundits don’t know the rules. Richards saying it’s not a pen because he’s close to the header. Souness hit the nail on the head. Under the rules it’s a penalty. What’s  the ref supposed to do, uphold the laws of the game or make his own up? 

[skintsaint]

4 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It doesn’t help when pundits don’t know the rules. Richards saying it’s not a pen because he’s close to the header. Souness hit the nail on the head. Under the rules it’s a penalty. What’s  the ref supposed to do, uphold the laws of the game or make his own up? 

Like this one - VAR officials or the Ref would still be the same outcome :

Edited 27 September, 2020 by skintsaint

[Saint Pete]

3 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It doesn’t help when pundits don’t know the rules. Richards saying it’s not a pen because he’s close to the header. Souness hit the nail on the head. Under the rules it’s a penalty. What’s  the ref supposed to do, uphold the laws of the game or make his own up? 

Yes agree it's not fair to blame the officials who are implementing the rule as it's been written. But questions need to be answered about how these rules are being agreed. Seems there is not enough consultation going on as most in the game seem to agree they've got it badly wrong with this one. 

I agree with your other point that media and managers should be more accepting that some decisions like handball need subjective interpretation from refs rather than expecting 100% consistency. They can't have it both ways.

[Lord Duckhunter]

5 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Like this one - VAR officials or the Ref would still be the same outcome :

The ref did make the decision, what’s the chump on about? Did he miss the bit where the ref ran over and checked the screen 

[OttawaSaint]

What a hit by Mahrez. Great goal.

[beatlesaint]

47 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

The ref did make the decision, what’s the chump on about? Did he miss the bit where the ref ran over and checked the screen 

One of the worst pundits about, I thought he was just a Sky favourite, didn’t realise he was on the bloody radio as well where his inability to string a whole sentence together must be even more exposed.

[skintsaint]

3-1 Leicester 😕

[Lighthouse]

5 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

3-1 Leicester 😕

Not bothered, we’ll be nowhere near either of them this season.

[skintsaint]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

Not bothered, we’ll be nowhere near either of them this season.

Vardy/Ings for league top scorer tho!

[Lord Duckhunter]

46 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

One of the worst pundits about, I thought he was just a Sky favourite, didn’t realise he was on the bloody radio as well where his inability to string a whole sentence together must be even more exposed.

They’ve moved Sunday supplement to podcast only, but I thought I’d have a listen. Looks like he’s  now a regular on there now, he’s been on every week. Fucking awful. It used to be journos talking about football, now it’s journos plus that incoherent plank.  
 

 

Edited 27 September, 2020 by Lord Duckhunter

[Lighthouse]

The flippin’ space in this City defence...

[Lighthouse]

Another quid in the 9-0 jar.

[East Kent Saint]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s exactly what it is. They’re taking subjectivity out of the game and refereeing by facts. However, it’s the Jose’s of the world plus pundits & press that have taken us down this path. If people just accepted that referees referee as they see it then,  and that the only real consistency you can have is between decisions on that day, it’s not going away.  They’ve made handball decisions consistent....

No they havent it's a total lottery , as pointed out in slow motion it looks bad but real time impossible to avoid arm contact. As for giving pen after "final" whistle FFS . Plus rediculous no flagging rule until it's all over WTF . In most cases no appeal has been made by the players about a handball . Getting to the point where fans will give up watching

[skintsaint]

1 minute ago, East Kent Saint said:

In most cases no appeal has been made by the players about a handball .

Players are cottoning onto it now though and appealing everything. Carroll was even appealing the first one against Dier ffs.

[skintsaint]

4-1 Leicester...would not have called this one after 5 mins of the game.

[East Kent Saint]

Had to laugh at City , pity Vardy got 3 ......

BTW Bruce thought handball nonsense a joke even though it gave them a draw . ( laugh at Mourinio saying spurs should be shown some respect over same incident )

[Micky]

5 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

Had to laugh at City , pity Vardy got 3 ......

BTW Bruce thought handball nonsense a joke even though it gave them a draw . ( laugh at Mourinio saying spurs should be shown some respect over same incident )

Could've been worse,  could've got 4, city 5 - 2 down now..... another pen....

Edited 27 September, 2020 by Micky

[Lord Duckhunter]

8 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

No they havent it's a total lottery , as pointed out in slow motion it looks bad but real time impossible to avoid arm contact. 

It’s not a lottery. A lottery implies that sometime they’re given & sometimes they’re not, that’ll be a pen every single time this season, unless the referee makes an error. Not an error of judgement, but the error of not following the rules. The way the rule is written, it doesn’t make a blind bit of difference whether it was impossible to avoid. 

[skintsaint]

First time Pep has conceded 5 goals as manager.

[S-Clarke]

I've never rated City's LB, Mendy. I think he's a dreadful defender, doesn't offer anything going forward either

[The Cat]

Didn't watch that game, 3 penalties to one team doesn't happen very often. Were they all nailed on? 

Agree about Mendy as well. Was great in that Monaco team, since then and the injury he's looked a bit of a liability. 

[whelk]

Have the bookies woken up to the number of pens being awarded yet?

Record is something like 112  and on track at this rate for something like 300+

[S-Clarke]

Just now, The Cat said:

Didn't watch that game, 3 penalties to one team doesn't happen very often. Were they all nailed on? 

Agree about Mendy as well. Was great in that Monaco team, since then and the injury he's looked a bit of a liability. 

They were all the result of dreadful defending, tbh. Clumsy tackles, Mendy giving away the last one. He was turned on the edge of the box, lost his player, and just tripped him from behind.

Dumb. Not sure about that Eric Garcia either, he is equally as slow and clumsy.

Edited 27 September, 2020 by S-Clarke

[tajjuk]

Results are all over the place, this no pre-season thing has effed clubs up, don't think you can read much into form of any teams over these first 5 or so games.

Even Bayern Munich lost 4-1 today, to an average team, Dortmund 2-0 as well, Man City losing 5-2 and Man Utd deserved to get spanked yesterday but lost.

And yeh this handball rule is stupid. Do it like Roy said, if its deliberate its a foul, if its not its not. Much simpler. 

City also showing how important Laporte is to them. All 3 were pens, first maybe a little soft and the 2nd unlucky but all were clumsy. 

Edited 27 September, 2020 by tajjuk

[Lord Duckhunter]

9 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

 

And yeh this handball rule is stupid. Do it like Roy said, if its deliberate its a foul, if its not its not. Much simpler. 

That was the rule for years, the referee decided if, in his opinion, it was deliberate. However, all we got was managers, pundits the media and players complaining, all we got was manager (like Roy) calling for consistency. Instead of just accepting the referee had made an honest decision, they moaned and whined. So now we have a rule that takes subjectivity away, a rule that ensures a far higher level of consistency, and guess what, they don’t like it. Its only simpler if you accept the referees opinion, as football didn’t, we’re where we are now. 

Edited 27 September, 2020 by Lord Duckhunter

[East Kent Saint]

30 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

It’s not a lottery. A lottery implies that sometime they’re given & sometimes they’re not, that’ll be a pen every single time this season, unless the referee makes an error. Not an error of judgement, but the error of not following the rules. The way the rule is written, it doesn’t make a blind bit of difference whether it was impossible to avoid. 

Watching MOTD Pogba tugged one shoulder briefly then the other , player goes down VAR says no pen OK but further slow motion shows Pogbas knee banging into the back of the forwards knee so a pen !

I think it is as bad if not worse than before VAR . Regardless if “that is the rule this season “ arguement . I think that a lot of VAR incidents would soon be forgotten in the match and make it more coherent overall. At the moment it’s spoiling the enjoyment IMHO.