Hull 3-1 Saints - Match Thread

[saint michael]

7 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said:

Well we were, we had all the possession and conceded absolute crap goals frankly. High ball to back post, knock down, goal for 2 of them, and a free header from a set piece. 

Depends what you mean by control. Having possession doesn’t necessarily mean you are in control. Standing in the middle of the park knocking it sideways and backwards when you are 1, 2, 3 nil down doesn't feel in control to me 

[OttawaSaint]

34 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Not sure about that. Their sole intention seems to be profit from player trading above anything else, including actually providing any entertainment for the fans.

I'm fucking sick of it now. I hate watching this team. That's what SR have done - they've sapped all my love of following SFC to the point that it has now become nothing but a chore. 

They're a bunch of incompetent, soulless wankers and I cannot wait for the day they finally sell up.

Me too. It's such utter drudgery. I missed the end of the Wrexham game. I missed some parts of other games. I think I've only properly cheered for 1 goal this whole season. 

Edited 5 hours ago by OttawaSaint

[die Mannyschaft]

55 minutes ago, Pedantic Pete said:

What’s the odds on a league one south coast derby next year? 🤣

Quite low as we are definitely going fown unless something major happens, the other team were miles better than us so have a chance of staying up. We don't play football just some sort of rugby or backwards American football,  plus sideways golf.

[hypochondriac]

"I didn't want a striker" to "I just want someone to stick the ball in the net." Fuck off Will you should have been making a huge fuss in the summer to get a striker in. Everyone could see that Downs was not good enough and we needed another. Kone was available for 2 million so there's no excuse.

[Patches O Houlihan]

1 hour ago, adrian lord said:

There's a soullessness to the club under this ownership. 

Did you not feel this way once Kat sold 80% to Gao. 

[stfrancisofbenali]

3 minutes ago, Ralph Fastenbüttl said:

On the one hand, I think the people calling for Still's head this early into the season are insane alarmists.

On the other hand, you look at the team and can't help but wonder what it is they're actually trying to do? We're playing with the same lack of identity we had under Mark Hughes. It honestly looks like he's just sending them out there with instructions akin to "just get stuck in, lads". Except they're not even doing that. 

What is the objective? What is the system? What is our style of play? I couldn't answer any of those questions. And I'm already exhausted by it all.

Similarly conflicted. No sane club or fanbase should be calling for a new manager to be sacked after only 6 games. It takes time to bed in new players and tactics, especially at a club with so much trauma. 

But…his lack of experience (not his fault, he’s not been alive that long!) was always a big risk and the players are certainly not responding to his management style and ‘tactics’ at the moment. 

[hypochondriac]

36 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Not sure about that. Their sole intention seems to be profit from player trading above anything else, including actually providing any entertainment for the fans.

I'm fucking sick of it now. I hate watching this team. That's what SR have done - they've sapped all my love of following SFC to the point that it has now become nothing but a chore. 

They're a bunch of incompetent, soulless wankers and I cannot wait for the day they finally sell up.

So do I. Even the couple of games we have won have been mostly awful. I think back to previous years and the entertainment I was provided with even when we lost. Games like this are terrible because you don't even have any positives to look at.

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

A while ago a few of us said we will turn into Stoke but we are not it’s more like Blackpool

I guess if we give it another 6 or so years, we could end up having a Stoke style start.

But it does look to me as if we're morphing quite rapidly into a Stoke or Swansea. 

This all started from our prem transfer window - we actively downgraded our entire side from the one which got promoted, which takes some serious going. And from that moment on, we've not recovered. We didn't have as such a strong base to bounce back with this time and it shows.

This entire mess is on Sports Republic and the voices against them should really be much louder than they are right now. It all still feels quite passive against arguably the worst owners in the country.

[tdmickey3]

We are 19th FFS….

A pathetic 19th….

 

[DrunkenSaint]

Azaz terrible, we need someone behind the striker who has bags of energy to help the press and gets into space when the striker has possession, this place should be Robinson's or Mitsuki's. As for the striker, yet again we are here without one, whoever scouted Downs needs sacking, hes f'ing terrible, Ballard would have been a better choice instead of wasting more millions on yet another shite player. Now, Will says he wants his players to get the ball fwd quicker, well stop playing Manning, Stephens and Mads, all are very guilty of passing sideways and backwards far too often far to slowly. Give Edwards a good run in the team, he was probably our best defender in the pre-season.

[Pedantic Pete]

8 minutes ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Quite low as we are definitely going fown unless something major happens, the other team were miles better than us so have a chance of staying up. We don't play football just some sort of rugby or backwards American football,  plus sideways golf.

Not sure they are very good either, losing to Wednesday at home isn’t a great sign…. I think we just made them look OK 

[SWLondon Saint]

5 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I guess if we give it another 6 or so years, we could end up having a Stoke style start.

But it does look to me as if we're morphing quite rapidly into a Stoke or Swansea. 

This all started from our prem transfer window - we actively downgraded our entire side from the one which got promoted, which takes some serious going. And from that moment on, we've not recovered. We didn't have as such a strong base to bounce back with this time and it shows.

This entire mess is on Sports Republic and the voices against them should really be much louder than they are right now. It all still feels quite passive against arguably the worst owners in the country.

If you want to objective about it, the SR people who f'ed up that window are not the same ones as we have now, and I think most people would say the recent window was a success in terms of clearing out a lot of mess.

Only issue is it looks like they didn't go far enough - I was willing to give them a chance but the Stephens deal and not cutting losses on Baz may be the things that screw up our season. 

[Gloucester Saint]

18 minutes ago, Patches O Houlihan said:

Did you not feel this way once Kat sold 80% to Gao. 

I certainly did, sold to someone who squeaked through Skol-weak FAPP on the second or third attempt. And funnily enough Martin Semmens also in the picture when SR pitch up. Club has been pathetic for the last 8 years, and that’s being kind. Run by used car salesman and bullshitters. Don’t believe a word any of them say. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[adrian lord]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

I certainly did, sold to someone who squeaked through Skol-weak FAPP on the second or third attempt. And funnily enough Martin Semmens also in the picture when SR pitch up. Club has been pathetic for the last 8 years, and that’s being kind. Run by used car salesman and bullshitters. Don’t believe a word any of them say. 

Agreed.

 

Kat went through the motions to keep up appearances for a respectable period of time after her father died, then couldn't wait to offload us. The rot set in silently at a thriving club on her watch. 

Edited 3 hours ago by adrian lord

[qwertyell]

Hull manager: "At the end it succeeded because we scored three beautiful goals, especially with crosses, because when we analysed Southampton they struggled with controlling the players in the box."

So... what the fuck were our much vaunted analysts up to in the build up to the game? Certainly not noting that we can't defend crosses for shit. 

[bpsaint]

1 minute ago, qwertyell said:

Hull manager: "At the end it succeeded because we scored three beautiful goals, especially with crosses, because when we analysed Southampton they struggled with controlling the players in the box."

So... what the fuck were our much vaunted analysts up to in the build up to the game? Certainly not noting that we can't defend crosses for shit. 

Just given every other club the key to scoring against us. Not that they needed much help but still. 

[OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint]

Arguably we've taken Middlesbro's best player, we've taken West Brom's best player, we've spent a comparative fortune on other players, so we should be at the top of the league. Yes it takes time to gel but today was depressing. I'm not blaming SR this time. They've put money in to the team. This is about getting a tune out of quality players.

First Mr Still, get some urgency in the team.

 

[Ekelund24]

We need to get Steven Peters in and spend the whole week unpacking the mental trauma of the last few years! This team needs mental coaching as they are so psychologically weak and fold quicker than Chinese laundry! 
 

I don’t get why SR make this so difficult, football is simple you need a decent keeper to stop goals going in your net, and a decent striker to score goals in the other net! The rest you can have above average players helping them out! 

[James]

Might be alarmist to call for Still to go this early but at what point does it become too late? We can’t score and we can’t defend, we look as bad as we did last year against Championship opposition. We need to win at least one of Sheff Utd or Boro. If we don’t he has to go. It’s not really his fault but appointing him was a gamble too far. 

[goodymatt]

Wow, we are not in a good place at the moment. Last weekend I left the house at 4:30am for the derby, driving down from Cheshire and was thoroughly disappointed with how poor we were. 11 hours round trip in the car for a nothing performance.

This weekend you’re thinking this is the type of fixture to go out and get 3 points and kick start the season, but like with the Stoke game, we just look like conceding on every counter attack the opponent has.

Weather made the pitch very slow, it was like playing through treacle at times but somehow we didn’t look any slower than the rest of the games. It’s all been too passive and littered with poor mistakes that lead to goals. Still has shown very little in all 8 games to suggest he’s any good. I’m feeling very disheartened and concerned for the season ahead at this point.  

[SNSUN]

To be fair, some of our best years in recent times came after we dropped into League One so... 

[Sheaf Saint]

4 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Just given every other club the key to scoring against us. Not that they needed much help but still. 

I think this part of your post could be interpreted in multiple ways and still remain valid.

[Pamplemousse]

2 minutes ago, James said:

Might be alarmist to call for Still to go this early but at what point does it become too late? We can’t score and we can’t defend, we look as bad as we did last year against Championship opposition. We need to win at least one of Sheff Utd or Boro. If we don’t he has to go. It’s not really his fault but appointing him was a gamble too far. 

The signs so far are not good. We haven't had a single decent 90 minutes in the league and every week the performances are getting worse. Worrying.

[James]

Just now, Pamplemousse said:

The signs so far are not good. We haven't had a single decent 90 minutes in the league and every week the performances are getting worse. Worrying.

We’ve also made some teams that are clearly quite crap look half decent. 

[Gloucester Saint]

6 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

Hull manager: "At the end it succeeded because we scored three beautiful goals, especially with crosses, because when we analysed Southampton they struggled with controlling the players in the box."

So... what the fuck were our much vaunted analysts up to in the build up to the game? Certainly not noting that we can't defend crosses for shit. 

We stopped even trying to stop crosses coming in under later Ralph onwards. Last week you saw it, Murphy delivering some peaches unopposed from good areas but Bishop was all over the show. The skates forced ours to be delivered from much further back by basic pressing.

I said we’d concede heavily if the same happened today with better players on the end of them and we did.

[bogwoppit]

Both individually and as a team we were extremely poor. Confidence will be low. Can anyone see us getting a win in the next couple of games? I have serious concerns as to whether the manager can turn this round, as per last week I can’t see a ‘style’ of play. 
I know it’s early days, and I really hope Will can turn it around, but at the moment I can’t see that happening.

My thoughts are…..we are going to continue losing far more games than we win and draw combined over the next 10 games. We will struggle to score based on whoever plays upfront. Will won’t be the manager by start of January. As mentioned above, I hope I’m proven wrong but I don’t have any positive ‘vibes’ of how this is going to play out!

 

[sfc4prem]

9 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Just given every other club the key to scoring against us. Not that they needed much help but still. 

Bit fucking simple, isn't it? Just lump it into the box and they'll crumple like a house of cards in a hurricane.

'Get it into the mixer' is our kryptonite? How fucking depressing.

I remember when we had dominant, perceptive and reliable centre backs. It wasn't that long ago.

What has happened to our club?

[tdmickey3]

Has a player been interviewed and told us “ we are disappointed “ and will put it right next game

[vectraman]

28 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

We are 19th FFS….

A pathetic 19th….

 

We have 6 points from 6 games. In the championship. 
Leeds already have 7 points from 5 games in the “impossible for a team from the championship to survive” Premier league. 
My God how have we got last season and this season so wrong so far?

 

[CB Fry]

1 minute ago, tdmickey3 said:

Has a player been interviewed and told us “ we are disappointed “ and will put it right next game

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0m4290x?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

 

[saintant]

1 hour ago, Zorba said:

You have a friend?

Just the one.

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, vectraman said:

We have 6 points from 6 games. In the championship. 
Leeds already have 7 points from 5 games in the “impossible for a team from the championship to survive” Premier league. 
My God how have we got last season and this season so wrong so far?

 

Sports Republic 

[Mr X]

16 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Just given every other club the key to scoring against us. Not that they needed much help but still. 

Oh the irony of this 

[madge]

In this league we needed strength, size and power and the last few signings have been anything but… Murphy was down the road, a winger on the up, decent on the ball, has pace and can deliver. SR go and buy unknowns who’ve no idea what the championship is all about. SR are destroying this club and the owner needs to go and sell up. 
fans need to get off the players backs and tear the directors box apart if things get worse.

 

[Mr X]

8 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Has a player been interviewed and told us “ we are disappointed “ and will put it right next game

When has that ever gone well at saints 😂 they will serve up the same shit but worse next game! 

Edited 4 hours ago by Mr X

[Chez]

13 minutes ago, bpsaint said:

Just given every other club the key to scoring against us. Not that they needed much help but still. 

Simple solution. Pick Quarshie.  That's what we bought him to do (nullify the likes of McBurnie), wasn't it?

I am fed up of having centre backs that don't win the majority of headers in favour of lightweight ball players...and that's from someone that preaches constantly how important keeping the ball is (and thus the need for ball playing CBs) if you want to win games of football. You have to do the basics. Just look at the top sides. They have monsters at CB. Even Liverpool sacrifice a little skill on the ball in favour of power.

[Chez]

19 minutes ago, OnceaSaintalwaysaSaint said:

Arguably we've taken Middlesbro's best player, we've taken West Brom's best player, we've spent a comparative fortune on other players, so we should be at the top of the league. Yes it takes time to gel but today was depressing. I'm not blaming SR this time. They've put money in to the team. This is about getting a tune out of quality players.

First Mr Still, get some urgency in the team.

 

Boro's best player was Hackney and WBA's was Heggem. Sadly we couldn't get either of them, as they are kind of what we need.

[vectraman]

Well the starting line up Vs Liverpool reserves should be the same as started today.
Make them get out there and play for their places v Boro. Shit performance = dropped. Got to somehow kick some life into this pedestrian error prone bunch. 

[derry]

Personally our back four was a clusterfuck. Apart from giving the ball away and for all three goals getting nowhere near the crosses THB looked negative and off the paceand along with Stephens and Manning need to be stood down. Give Roerslev another go and bring in Jelert, Quarshie and Wood. Charles and Jander in the middle with Fellows, Armstrong, Archer and Scienza.

Azaz needs to step up his tempo and physicality. Cut out the sideways and backwards possession crap and get the ball out wide and up front quickly. I lost count of the times today a positive thirty yard pass into space was spurned and the ball rotated backwards or sideways. There has to be consequences. Playing the same garbage doesn't cut it. Players make runs, the ball goes square, players stop making runs.

[Convict Colony]

i dunno the answer boys, manager, players who knows but i am fed up of being shit

[Convict Colony]

Only liked Jander and Charles performances today

[Convict Colony]

Think THB needs a rest as does manning

 

[Swaythling Saint]

29 minutes ago, qwertyell said:

Hull manager: "At the end it succeeded because we scored three beautiful goals, especially with crosses, because when we analysed Southampton they struggled with controlling the players in the box."

So... what the fuck were our much vaunted analysts up to in the build up to the game? Certainly not noting that we can't defend crosses for shit. 

Moore, Bishop, McBurnie etc...was obvious after Wrexham

[Zorba]

16 minutes ago, saintant said:

Just the one.

It doesn’t count if you met him on Tinder.

[saintant]

Anyone else absolutely sick and tired of football? Being a Saints fan brings no enjoyment whatsoever and this club just lurches from crisis to crisis with no sign that it'll ever get out of this downward spiral.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, SWLondon Saint said:

 

- Azaz and Fellows totally anonymous. Robinson surely has to play over those 2, likewise at least Scienza tried to make something happen when he came on. Armstrong as well.

- I know there's a plan but when it's pissing it down you can do a lot worse than have a big man - little man combo up front and play it long. You could see the surface was heavy and our play was so slow trying to play it on the deck. Horses for courses.

- Early days but that Sheff Utd game looking like a bottom of the table 6 pointer, bloody hell.

I couldn't think of a positive. But we've definitely got the horses. So, we're half way to...somewhere. 🙂

[Appy]

Can’t make up my mind if it’s basically down to the players as no one can get a tune out of these losers or if Still has made us worse, could be both I guess. 

[Pamplemousse]

One positive - Adam Armstrong. Actively involved and was trying to make things happen. Need him in the team.

[sockeye]

1 minute ago, saintant said:

Anyone else absolutely sick and tired of football? Being a Saints fan brings no enjoyment whatsoever and this club just lurches from crisis to crisis with no sign that it'll ever get out of this downward spiral.

One thing that is getting exhausting is the constant stress about league position. Whether we're in the Championship or the Premier League we have been obsessing about getting promoted at the first attempt or not getting relegated, year on year, for about four years now. I just want to sit back and enjoy a season of football without having to worry. We were in a prime position for someone competent to come in and sustain our PL status, yet we get turned into a toy for Rasmus and Solak's money experiments. Sick of it all

[sfc4prem]

Just now, Appy said:

Can’t make up my mind if it’s basically down to the players as no one can get a tune out of these losers or if Still has made us worse, could be both I guess. 

Our defence and central midfield (and strikeforce) hasn't improved since the season we went down with Ralph and Jones and Selles. That season was inept. That defence would've struggled in the Championship.

We've recruited and got rid of a lot of shite, but our limp defence, impotent attack and soggy core still remains.