New Manager Debate

[bangkoksaint]

5 hours ago, MB said:

Am limited to posts on here so this is the last one for a bit

non managerial related, deal has been agreed with West Ham for JWP to join in January. Loan with option to buy. Deal is done 

If you have lots of genuine intel I don’t mind paying for your subscription!!!

[Saint86]

14 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Which would be ridiculous 

You've been following us the last few years? 😄

[Fitzhugh Fella]

1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

You could have put all three posts in one post and then had two more posts left to use later in the day. You had them all ready to go within minutes of each other! 😄

Maybe he's got more interesting things to do today?

[Sheaf Saint]

5 hours ago, MB said:

Am limited to posts on here so this is the last one for a bit

non managerial related, deal has been agreed with West Ham for JWP to join in January. Loan with option to buy. Deal is done 

So we really are putting the band back together then.

Who's next? What's Pelle up to these days? 

[trousers]

5 hours ago, MB said:

Am limited to posts on here so this is the last one for a bit

non managerial related, deal has been agreed with West Ham for JWP to join in January. Loan with option to buy. Deal is done 

Cheers for the info MB.... Here's hoping it's more "done" than your previous two exclusives... Would be a tad unfortunate if things didn't work out for a third time... Fingers crossed for you 🤞🏻

 

Edited 4 hours ago by trousers

[Midfield_General]

3 minutes ago, trousers said:

Cheers for the info MB.... Here's hoping it's more "done" than your previous two exclusives... Would be a tad unfortunate if things didn't work out for a third time... 

 

Please can you put this one in the spreadsheet and create a ticket to review on 31st January

[Dr Who?]

6 hours ago, MB said:

For anyone who gives me abuse I reported 2 weeks ago talks ago had taken place. Don’t shoot the messenger or I will stop sharing the exclusive info I have 

there are two more interviews lined up for next week, one is from Germany the other is an ex premier league player 

Rooney? 

[Dr Who?]

I see Tonda is the new odds on favourite this morning. People must have seen him smiling in that car and lumped big sums on! 

[saintant]

10 hours ago, Badger said:

IF they appoint Eckert, wonder if they’ll bring in an experienced assistant to help him. This was  Trollopes role for Still.

Read on here that one of Ralph’s former assistants had been seen locally recently (Name similar to Richard Bitchkicker). 

Wasn't it actually the guy's wife who was spotted? Not sure she'd be appointed but you never know with this lot.

[saintant]

6 hours ago, MB said:

For anyone who gives me abuse I reported 2 weeks ago talks ago had taken place. Don’t shoot the messenger or I will stop sharing the exclusive info I have 

there are two more interviews lined up for next week, one is from Germany the other is an ex premier league player 

So it is unlikely we'll have a new manager in place for most of the international break. Think that's a mistake to be honest.

[saintant]

5 hours ago, benjii said:

I've only got 3 posts so I'll do all three one minute apart.

Yeah, rather than putting all the info in a single post and keeping two up my sleeve 🙂

[Harry_SFC]

58 minutes ago, trousers said:

Cheers for the info MB.... Here's hoping it's more "done" than your previous two exclusives... Would be a tad unfortunate if things didn't work out for a third time... Fingers crossed for you 🤞🏻

 

Yeah take everything this guy says with a pitch of salt

[saintant]

2 hours ago, SoberSaint said:

Would be hard to find a more arrogant candidate than Russell Martin but Brendan Rodgers would hit the spot!

 

 

Agree, if he was made of chocolate he'd eat himself.

[Dr Who?]

🎶 Help me, Tonda
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Help me, Tonda, yeah
Get us out of this league! 🎶 

Edited 4 hours ago by Dr Who?

[austsaint]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

Cheers for the info MB.... Here's hoping it's more "done" than your previous two exclusives... Would be a tad unfortunate if things didn't work out for a third time... Fingers crossed for you 🤞🏻

 

MB= Make Believe

[beatlesaint]

I'll probably get blasted for this but I thought the "F*ck Gary O'Neil" chants were bloody pathetic.

It reminded me of when the more vocal element of our support objected to Lowe bringing back Hoddle and remember how well that worked out with Sturrock being appointed!!

Firstly let me say O'Neil wouldnt be my choice BUT he has managed two teams in the Premier League, he did a decent job at Bournemouth and kept them up, same with Wolves. He is not a bloody Pompey supporter, he supports Millwall. Ok he played for them, he tweeted in 2020 a post from 2005 about them hammering us at FP. So what? Boo fkin hoo! The Northam who took great delight in singing constantly "Harry & Jim are Red & White" back in the day, songs about Crouchy being alright now etc etc.

What should we do? Have a list of candidates, put their name and photo on the big screen and let the Northam decide the next realisitc manager by their reaction?

Double standards, JWP was bought up a Pompey supporter ffs but he's treated as a hero. A potential manager once played for them, has no family link to them and he's public enemy No. 1 ? Give me strength !

[Dr Who?]

I’m sure I read somewhere that Lallana is going to be or is the new under 21s coach? Also if this is the case the it is going to be Tonda as first team coach, or he will not have a role to go back to? 

[LGTL]

1 minute ago, beatlesaint said:

I'll probably get blasted for this but I thought the "F*ck Gary O'Neil" chants were bloody pathetic.

It reminded me of when the more vocal element of our support objected to Lowe bringing back Hoddle and remember how well that worked out with Sturrock being appointed!!

Firstly let me say O'Neil wouldnt be my choice BUT he has managed two teams in the Premier League, he did a decent job at Bournemouth and kept them up, same with Wolves. He is not a bloody Pompey supporter, he supports Millwall. Ok he played for them, he tweeted in 2020 a post from 2005 about them hammering us at FP. So what? Boo fkin hoo! The Northam who took great delight in singing constantly "Harry & Jim are Red & White" back in the day, songs about Crouchy being alright now etc etc.

What should we do? Have a list of candidates, put their name and photo on the big screen and let the Northam decide the next realisitc manager by their reaction?

Double standards, JWP was bought up a Pompey supporter ffs but he's treated as a hero. A potential manager once played for them, has no family link to them and he's public enemy No. 1 ? Give me strength !

I have no doubts whatsoever that that would be an infinitely better way for Sports Republic to hire a manager considering the absolute shower of shit they’ve presided over so far. 

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, beatlesaint said:

I'll probably get blasted for this but I thought the "F*ck Gary O'Neil" chants were bloody pathetic.

It reminded me of when the more vocal element of our support objected to Lowe bringing back Hoddle and remember how well that worked out with Sturrock being appointed!!

Firstly let me say O'Neil wouldnt be my choice BUT he has managed two teams in the Premier League, he did a decent job at Bournemouth and kept them up, same with Wolves. He is not a bloody Pompey supporter, he supports Millwall. Ok he played for them, he tweeted in 2020 a post from 2005 about them hammering us at FP. So what? Boo fkin hoo! The Northam who took great delight in singing constantly "Harry & Jim are Red & White" back in the day, songs about Crouchy being alright now etc etc.

What should we do? Have a list of candidates, put their name and photo on the big screen and let the Northam decide the next realisitc manager by their reaction?

Double standards, JWP was bought up a Pompey supporter ffs but he's treated as a hero. A potential manager once played for them, has no family link to them and he's public enemy No. 1 ? Give me strength !

We have burned through 6 managers in what feels like a few months, we really have to get the next one right and any new manager will still have to go through some wobbles and adjustments to get there IMO - would the fan base provide Gary O'Neil any rope to afford a bedding in period? Absolutely not. A couple of bad results, and he'd be getting hounded out - and we're back to square one.

I look at it fairly identically to Steve Cooper rocking up at Leicester. On the outside it looked a fairly sound appointment, but from the outside you don't appreciate the utter hate Leicester fans had for him - and that was just because he managed Forest for a couple of years. As soon as he hit a bumpy period, the place was toxic and he had to go. He had no time there because of his connections not allowing him any rope what so ever.

In our current situation we need someone with appropriate gravatas, experience and non-connections to rivals in order to allow them the best possible chance to succeed here.

[Miltonaggro]

I have to say that I have always had a serious dislike for Brendan Rogers, arrogant and cocky. Also, whilst I respect viera as a player, world class (imagine charles under him), always a nasty pain in the arse when opposing as a player or manager. That’s why either are just what we need right now, a big personality to give the club a real identity again! Push the boat out Spors! 

[Wade Garrett]

5 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

We have burned through 6 managers in what feels like a few months, we really have to get the next one right and any new manager will still have to go through some wobbles and adjustments to get there IMO - would the fan base provide Gary O'Neil any rope to afford a bedding in period? Absolutely not. A couple of bad results, and he'd be getting hounded out - and we're back to square one.

I look at it fairly identically to Steve Cooper rocking up at Leicester. On the outside it looked a fairly sound appointment, but from the outside you don't appreciate the utter hate Leicester fans had for him - and that was just because he managed Forest for a couple of years. As soon as he hit a bumpy period, the place was toxic and he had to go. He had no time there because of his connections not allowing him any rope what so ever.

In our current situation we need someone with appropriate gravatas, experience and non-connections to rivals in order to allow them the best possible chance to succeed here.

I understand your point but I find it ridiculous that a manager would be treated differently because he was once in the employment of a rival.

Unless you believe that a manager would purposely try and destroy the club that’s paying his wages.  I don’t believe for one minute that would be the case with O’Neil.  I do agree that we need someone with gravitas and experience though.  

Edited 3 hours ago by Wade Garrett

[saintwbu]

8 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

I'll probably get blasted for this but I thought the "F*ck Gary O'Neil" chants were bloody pathetic.

It reminded me of when the more vocal element of our support objected to Lowe bringing back Hoddle and remember how well that worked out with Sturrock being appointed!!

Firstly let me say O'Neil wouldnt be my choice BUT he has managed two teams in the Premier League, he did a decent job at Bournemouth and kept them up, same with Wolves. He is not a bloody Pompey supporter, he supports Millwall. Ok he played for them, he tweeted in 2020 a post from 2005 about them hammering us at FP. So what? Boo fkin hoo! The Northam who took great delight in singing constantly "Harry & Jim are Red & White" back in the day, songs about Crouchy being alright now etc etc.

What should we do? Have a list of candidates, put their name and photo on the big screen and let the Northam decide the next realisitc manager by their reaction?

Double standards, JWP was bought up a Pompey supporter ffs but he's treated as a hero. A potential manager once played for them, has no family link to them and he's public enemy No. 1 ? Give me strength !

It’s alright to compare to Redknapp and Crouch, but both of those were proven quality prior to their arrival - okay it didn’t work out with Harry but he was a credible, quality manager. O’Neill is not. All signs so far are that he is at best very, very average - couple that with being a Pompey legend, why would anyone want him? People talk about our fans being apathetic, so I thought it was great that they made their disproval heard today. Fuck Gary O’Neill.

[beatlesaint]

2 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

I understand your point but I find it ridiculous that a manager would be treated differently because he was once in the employment of a rival.

Unless you believe that a manager would purposely try and destroy the club that’s paying his wages.  I don’t believe for one minute that would be the case with O’Neil.  I do agree that we need someone with gravitas and experience though.  

Thats exactly the point I'm trying to make. As I said he wouldn't be my choice but bloody hell he only played for them, he hasnt got their badge tatooed on his face ffs.  

[S-Clarke]

3 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

I understand your point but I find it ridiculous that a manager would be treated differently because he was once in the employment of a rival.

Unless you believe that a manager would purposely try and destroy the club that’s paying his wages.  I don’t believe for one minute that would be the case with O’Neil.  I do agree that we need someone with gravitas and experience though.  

That's just how it goes though, I'm not saying I'd be one of those vocals who would do that - but you just know how it would play out. He wouldn't have any rope and it wouldn't create that 'unity' I think we need, there would still be division with someone like him as our manager.

Outside of all the skate connections though, I don't really think his credentials are what we need right now.  He's another somewhat inexperienced/young manager who is still starting out and would still be learning on the job, rather than putting over his stacks of experience to our squad.

[Wade Garrett]

6 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

That's just how it goes though, I'm not saying I'd be one of those vocals who would do that - but you just know how it would play out. He wouldn't have any rope and it wouldn't create that 'unity' I think we need, there would still be division with someone like him as our manager.

Outside of all the skate connections though, I don't really think his credentials are what we need right now.  He's another somewhat inexperienced/young manager who is still starting out and would still be learning on the job, rather than putting over his stacks of experience to our squad.

You might be right as far as his credentials go.  That would certainly rule Eckert out as well.

[HarvSFC]

I always disliked O'Neil as a player because of his connections to Portsmouth, but if he was an outstanding manager who could guarantee us promotion and take us up a level I would probably look past that. Unfortunately, Gary O'Neil is not that. Now, we're unlikely to find a manager who is "outstanding" at this level, but I like to have hope and we already know enough about O'Neil to know he's a bit average, so wouldn't provide much hope. That Wolves squad were very undisciplined by the time he left, he captained Lemina, the last person you would want.

As a whole, we want a manager who buys into the club. A manager who sees the importance of the south coast derby and celebrates each goal and victory against them alongside us. O'Neil wouldn't do that after his long playing career there out of the respect image footballers put on for ex-clubs.

We've got one over them because one of their cult heroes was interested in working at Southampton, lets leave it there.

 

[James]

6 minutes ago, Wade Garrett said:

You might be right as far as his credentials go.  That would certainly rule Eckert out as well.

My fear is those chants against O’Neil have all but landed Eckert the job. Is G’ON my choice? No, but I’d have him over Eckert 100 times out of 100.
 

It shouldn’t be a straight choice but, let’s face it, if G’ON was the SR choice and the fan base have spoken against him then the most likely outcome is the next best thing cheap option.

[beatlesaint]

Just now, James said:

My fear is those chants against O’Neil have all but landed Eckert the job. Is G’ON my choice? No, but I’d have him over Eckert 100 times out of 100.
 

It shouldn’t be a straight choice but, let’s face it, if G’ON was the SR choice and the fan base have spoken against him then the most likely outcome is the next best thing cheap option.

100% 

[saintwbu]

I don’t want either to get the job but I would pick Eckert over O’Neill. I know O’Neill isn’t very good, I don’t know that Eckert isn’t yet - he also doesn’t appear to be a complete wanker and someone who is loved by our biggest rival.

[Owen The Saints]

If Sport Republic could be trusted there would have been no need for the chants yesterday. I'm glad we have fans that care about SFC.

[James]

1 minute ago, saintwbu said:

I don’t want either to get the job but I would pick Eckert over O’Neill. I know O’Neill isn’t very good, I don’t know that Eckert isn’t yet - he also doesn’t appear to be a complete wanker and someone who is loved by our biggest rival.

There are multiple managers and players that are “loved” by both Saints and Pompey fans, it’s not really relevant in my view. Eckert has literally no experience and is even younger than Will Still. For a team that could still get into the promotion picture picking someone whose prior experience of the English league is being the assistant manager of Barnsley over someone who has twice done a reasonable job in the league we aspire to be in is objectively mental. As I said, he wouldn’t be my choice but O’Neil is clearly a better option than Eckert.

i think we all agree SR will look elsewhere but I bet they won’t if prior to Sat they’d decided to appoint O’Neil.

[Lord Duckhunter]

31 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Thats exactly the point I'm trying to make. As I said he wouldn't be my choice but bloody hell he only played for them, he hasnt got their badge tatooed on his face ffs.  

If, and it’s a big fucking if, he came in and did a good job, it would actually be funny as fuck. That’s the thing with Redknapp, all this agent Redknapp shite only happened when we were relegated, when they thought he’d keep us up they were apoplectic with hatred towards him (some still are).
 

The difference this time is Redknapp was seen as some sort of escape artist, the best man to keep us up, whereas O Neil won’t be seen in the same light. Had he not played for that lot, a lot of the fan base would still be disappointed with his appointment. The last thing we need is a toxic atmosphere after he loses 3 of his first 5 or similar. He’s a better bet than Carrick, Gerrard, or some others imo, but the fact he’ll be given zero room for error means it’s a no from me. After all we’ve been through, we need to be united, and rightly or wrongly, we won’t be if he walks through the door. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Lord Duckhunter

[James]

1 minute ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

If, and it’s a big fucking if, he came in and did a good job, it would actually be funny as fuck. That’s the thing with Redknapp, all this agent Redknapp shite only happened when we were relegated, when they thought he’d keep us up they were apoplectic with hatred towards him (some still are).
 

The difference this time is Redknapp was seen as some sort of escape artist, the best man to keep us up, whereas O Neil won’t be seen in the same light. Had he not played for that lot, a lot of the fan base would still be disappointed with his appointment. The last thing we need is a toxic atmosphere after he loses 3 of his first 5 or similar. He’s a better bet than Carrick, Gerrard, or some others imo, but the fact he’ll be given zero room for error means it’s a no from me. 

100%. I agree he shouldn’t be appointed given the circumstances but preferring Eckert “because he hasn’t played for Pompey” is pretty silly IMO. 

[Willo of Whiteley]

Gary O’Neill has done nothing notable at any club he’s managed. He sparked a brief upturn in form and that quickly went to shit.

May as well being in Steve Claridge as his assistant.

He is NOT what we’re looking for.

There aren’t that many great and available options out there.

[saintwbu]

3 minutes ago, James said:

100%. I agree he shouldn’t be appointed given the circumstances but preferring Eckert “because he hasn’t played for Pompey” is pretty silly IMO. 

It’s not just because he hasn’t played for Pompey, it’s because O’Neill is crap - Eckert might be too but we don’t know it yet so i’d gamble on him before I picked O’Neill. But as I said, we absolutely should not be appointing either of them. 

Edited 2 hours ago by saintwbu

[Badger]

7 hours ago, MB said:

there are two more interviews lined up for next week, one is from Germany the other is an ex premier league player 

Thanks for posting the snippets.

Intrigued by the last comment -perhaps reading too much into it - but reference to an ex premier league player, no mention of previous management ?? 
 

Germany - immediately think of the bigger known names ( Rose, Terzic, Ralph, even Low) but seem unrealistic so likely to be a mid range manager we’ve not heard much or anything of.  Adolf Hutter an interesting one for the headlines  (no wonder he’s known as Adi). 

[2Morrow]

There are literally hundreds of managers that dont have a Pompey connection.

If he was an extraordinary candidate perhaps, but why risk it as hes clearly not.

The options are not limited to a few, we debate the names in the public domain on bookies odds, but a professional doing the hire will (or should) have a much wider knowledge.

For what it's worth, I would favour someone that hasn't repeatedly failed, someone with a track record of managing teams that are big fish in the division they are in and someone that doesnt have a religious attachment to a certain style (keep ball or lump it). 

On that basis, with liklihood of attracting them to one side, : Rogers, Rose,Hutter, Solskjaer -perhaps Bo Svensson,Robins, Carrick,Warner, Corberan, Carsley,  Southgate.

All better than a skate, for practical reasons you need the fans behind you so the players enjoy playing at home.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

O'Neil is fast running out of options, can easily see him being back at FP when they eventually give Mousino the sack. 

[Dr Who?]

5 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

O'Neil is fast running out of options, can easily see him being back at FP when they eventually give Mousino the sack. 

100%

[Badger]

7 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

O'Neil is fast running out of options, can easily see him being back at FP when they eventually give Mousino the sack. 

I always thought that would be his destination although up until recently it seemed Mousinho was keeping them happy. 

[saintwbu]

7 minutes ago, 2Morrow said:

There are literally hundreds of managers that dont have a Pompey connection.

If he was an extraordinary candidate perhaps, but why risk it as hes clearly not.

The options are not limited to a few, we debate the names in the public domain on bookies odds, but a professional doing the hire will (or should) have a much wider knowledge.

For what it's worth, I would favour someone that hasn't repeatedly failed, someone with a track record of managing teams that are big fish in the division they are in and someone that doesnt have a religious attachment to a certain style (keep ball or lump it). 

On that basis, with liklihood of attracting them to one side, : Rogers, Rose,Hutter, Solskjaer -perhaps Bo Svensson,Robins, Carrick,Warner, Corberan, Carsley,  Southgate.

All better than a skate, for practical reasons you need the fans behind you so the players enjoy playing at home.

I think this is really, really important. People keep trying to justify managers who have managed at struggling PL clubs - that may be useful if we get there but we need someone who can get us there. Will Still managed scared, he was used to trying to punch above weight. We need a manager who can deal with the expectation of winning games, because that’s what we need to be setting up to do in this division - teams aren’t coming here to dominate us, they expect to be dominated.

[Lee On Solent Saint]

1 minute ago, Badger said:

I always thought that would be his destination although up until recently it seemed Mousinho was keeping them happy. 

I work with a few of the blue, and the rumblings of discontent are starting. 

[Paul Chuckle]

2 minutes ago, Badger said:

I always thought that would be his destination although up until recently it seemed Mousinho was keeping them happy. 

Skates I work with have pretty much said he's unsacakable, as they can't expect much more with the budget he has to work on which is one of the smallest in the division.

[Badger]

10 minutes ago, 2Morrow said:

 

For what it's worth, I would favour someone that hasn't repeatedly failed, someone with a track record of managing teams that are big fish in the division they are in and someone that doesnt have a religious attachment to a certain style (keep ball or lump it). 

On that basis, with liklihood of attracting them to one side, : Rogers, Rose,Hutter, Solskjaer -perhaps Bo Svensson,Robins, Carrick,Warner, Corberan, Carsley,  Southgate.

All better than a skate, for practical reasons you need the fans behind you so the players enjoy playing at home.

Svennson is an interesting one as he was talked about as a next big thing, with comparisons being made with Tuchel and Klopp who started at the same club. Didn’t live up to it when he moved on.
Don’t know enough about his style of play, but not so long ago name was cropping up and linked with Palace, Forest and EPL jobs. 
Solskjaer - didn’t he fail at Cardiff ? 

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, Paul Chuckle said:

Skates I work with have pretty much said he's unsacakable, as they can't expect much more with the budget he has to work on which is one of the smallest in the division.

I good mate of mine is a big fan of theirs. He says the same, and their fans are right behind him overall. They acknowledge the small budget they have, along with the current injury situation they are dealing with. 

I believe their manager will eventually go on to better things that bottom 8 or so in the Championship.

[Badger]

4 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

I work with a few of the blue, and the rumblings of discontent are starting. 

Well after getting a point away at St Mary’s in their biggest game in the history of football across the universe, it’s not surprising. Everything after is an anti-climax 

[beatlesaint]

16 minutes ago, Lee On Solent Saint said:

O'Neil is fast running out of options

I'm not sure we are over loaded with them either ! (and no it doesnt mean I'm suggesting him as manager)

[Badger]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I good mate of mine is a big fan of theirs. He says the same, and their fans are right behind him overall. They acknowledge the small budget they have, along with the current injury situation they are dealing with. 

I believe their manager will eventually go on to better things that bottom 8 or so in the Championship.

From the outside, he appears to be doing a good job. And will go on to bigger and better things.

But ‘no’, it won’t be with us. 

[Willo of Whiteley]

We’re seven points off the play-offs and eleven off the autos, with ninety-three points still to play for.

A good manager will kick us on.

[Saint NL]

A Norwich supporting buddy of mine reckons they've been linked with Carrick, Martin and O'Neil. 

So they're shopping in the same places as we are. Although he is hopeful that Farke becomes available again, he'd be a good appointment