Tonda Eckert

[saintant]

3 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Since these post Hull “hard truths” that were called out in the dressing room we have four points from six.

Progress. 😂

Maybe in terms of point accumulation. In terms of performance levels on the pitch, less so - our passing is still excruciatingly poor and something we must improve on.

[Saint Fan CaM]

2 minutes ago, saintant said:

Maybe in terms of point accumulation. In terms of performance levels on the pitch, less so - our passing is still excruciatingly poor and something we must improve on.

Agreed. I’m not seeing evidence of the basics in terms of passing and move in the team. I watch other teams in possession and there seems to be more structure and purpose in their playing - they create more time on the ball and therefore less risk in their passes.

[Pilchards]

I’m sorry it’s not progress.

Played two very weaken teams and we clearly struggled in both.

We indeed have no game plan especially watching Armstrong run around like a headless chicken chasing loss causes.

[Appy]

Does anyone think he’ll be there next season? 
 

Would be stunned if it’s not a “thanks but goodbye” in May when we’ve finished outside of the play-offs. 

[AlexLaw76]

We keep coming up short, whilst looking average at best, against teams with loads of players unavailable 

 

Tonda out 

[tdmickey3]

1 hour ago, Appy said:

Does anyone think he’ll be there next season? 
 

Would be stunned if it’s not a “thanks but goodbye” in May when we’ve finished outside of the play-offs. 

With SR who knows, they are mad, so it would be no surprise if he was

I would prefer him to be gone before Saturday

[Ted Bates Statue]

still need to make sure we're on course to finish safe of relegation before they can think about next season.

One league win in almost two months isn't going to cut it.

[Willo of Whiteley]

2 hours ago, saintant said:

Maybe in terms of point accumulation. In terms of performance levels on the pitch, less so - our passing is still excruciatingly poor and something we must improve on.

It was sarcasm but yeah I agree. 😂

He won’t be here next season, neither will Spors.

[Starksj1995]

18 hours ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Tonda Eckhart will be gone as soon as promotion is mathematically imposssible.

Johannes Spors will be gone in the summer too. Expect a gardening leave type scenario.

Spors will be gone with Tonda as he did persuade dragon to appoint tonda 

[Jaime]

8 hours ago, Mr X said:

Does this mean we don't have to pay either of these clowns compensation?

What was the point in the whole experiment? for SR to see if we already had a genius manager within the ranks that could get them out of jail? 😂

I believe it just means there is an agreed payout figure in the contract.... rather than on the hook for the balance of the contract 

[hypochondriac]

2 hours ago, Starksj1995 said:

Spors will be gone with Tonda as he did persuade dragon to appoint tonda 

I think you are all too optimistic. I don't think they will be decisive about it.

[Dell McDellFace]

Many people on this thread: "We turned Carrick down for Tonda" 
The commentator on Sky said he was interviewed, but not that we turned him down. 

It could well be the case that he turned us down because the offer didn't give him the autonomy that he wanted in terms of team matters. And maybe Tonda is constrained and advised who/when to substitute based on what the data scientists say - he hinted as much in an interview. Perhaps he is okay to take the flack for things that aren't under his control.

I still like him and want him to succeed!

[Starksj1995]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

I think you are all too optimistic. I don't think they will be decisive about it.

100 percent will as dragon trusted spors 

[Mr X]

42 minutes ago, Dell McDellFace said:

Many people on this thread: "We turned Carrick down for Tonda" 
The commentator on Sky said he was interviewed, but not that we turned him down. 

It could well be the case that he turned us down because the offer didn't give him the autonomy that he wanted in terms of team matters. And maybe Tonda is constrained and advised who/when to substitute based on what the data scientists say - he hinted as much in an interview. Perhaps he is okay to take the flack for things that aren't under his control.

I still like him and want him to succeed!

So someone that is happy to be a SR yes man for the time being? I'm not at the like him stage yet as he seems so distant and guarded in interviews rarely showing more depth to the personality seems another serious bloke ala will still. That is the ultimate issue any manager that comes here it seems isn't allowed to manage in the sense of the word and that will never ever work out so SR need to change the philosophy or we will continue to have a rotating door of managers. 

[aintforever]

2 hours ago, Dell McDellFace said:

Many people on this thread: "We turned Carrick down for Tonda" 
The commentator on Sky said he was interviewed, but not that we turned him down. 

It could well be the case that he turned us down because the offer didn't give him the autonomy that he wanted in terms of team matters. And maybe Tonda is constrained and advised who/when to substitute based on what the data scientists say - he hinted as much in an interview. Perhaps he is okay to take the flack for things that aren't under his control.

I still like him and want him to succeed!

Turn him down or not let a decent manager manage the club how he wants - just as bad as each other IMO.

[hypochondriac]

2 hours ago, Starksj1995 said:

100 percent will as dragon trusted spors 

Not sure where you're getting this from unless you're itk.

[Wade Garrett]

10 hours ago, Starksj1995 said:

100 percent will as dragon trusted spors 

Than Dragan is an idiot.  Jumped from one nerdy kid to another one.

He was advised to get someone experienced in and ignored that.  Went for the cheap, easy, compliant option again.

Spors is a prat, he wanted his mate in position as soon as they sacked Still.  But the blame goes on Dragan.  He could have said no.

[StrangelyBrown]

17 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

We keep coming up short, whilst looking average at best, against teams with loads of players unavailable 

 

Tonda out 

Not a lot of point until the club think again about structure, autonomy and this ridiculous over-reliance on data to make decisions.

[S-Clarke]

15 hours ago, Dell McDellFace said:

Many people on this thread: "We turned Carrick down for Tonda" 
The commentator on Sky said he was interviewed, but not that we turned him down. 

It could well be the case that he turned us down because the offer didn't give him the autonomy that he wanted in terms of team matters. And maybe Tonda is constrained and advised who/when to substitute based on what the data scientists say - he hinted as much in an interview. Perhaps he is okay to take the flack for things that aren't under his control.

I still like him and want him to succeed!

He was probably on a 'list', I don't truly believe we interviewed him though. The club were live interviewing Tonda for weeks, so any other links were just tabloid filler as the club had already made their choice. It was probably made in the summer tbh, but acted on sooner than they envisaged - but Tonda's trajectory was decided the moment he was made U21 manager.

Edited yesterday at 11:05 by S-Clarke

[Mr X]

That's the thing none of us expect to win every game and anyone that comes in needs to be given a reasonable amount of time but we need to see some evidence that Tonda could be the right fit and I really dont think he is.

After the initial run of four wins we have been really poor overall and that wouldn't be so bad if performances were good and in game tactics and management was sound or players has started performing better under him but they haven't! 

All in all I can't see that he is the "manager" to get the club back on track but then who is???? 

Edited yesterday at 11:30 by Mr X

[skintsaint]

Pretty much every game under Tonda..

[Jack]

Boasting about how we have 96% of the squad available for selection isn’t a great look when we’ve got 7 points and 1 win in 9 games. Especially as we’ve dropped so many points to sides with half their first team sidelined. He bores me to death 

[Willo of Whiteley]

Just now, Jack said:

Boasting about how we have 96% of the squad available for selection isn’t a great look when we’ve got 7 points and 1 win in 9 games. Especially as we’ve dropped so many points to sides with half their first team sidelined. He bores me to death 

I thought the same.

I heard it and I was like “fat lot of good that did us when other teams were 96% depleted”.

[tdmickey3]

Just now, Jack said:

Boasting about how we have 96% of the squad available for selection isn’t a great look when we’ve got 7 points and 1 win in 9 games. Especially as we’ve dropped so many points to sides with half their first team sidelined. He bores me to death 

He is utterly pointless as a coach

[Jack]

33 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I thought the same.

I heard it and I was like “fat lot of good that did us when other teams were 96% depleted”.

Maybe it’s about defending his tactic of taking our best performers off after an hour to save them for the following week’s defeat. 

Edited yesterday at 16:22 by Jack

[Football Special]

16 hours ago, Jack said:

Maybe it’s about defending his tactic of taking our best performers off after an hour to save them for the following week’s defeat. 

I actually think it's likely we have sports scientists/ data analysts with the wrong incentives,  their performance perhaps measured by how many players we have 'available' rather than actual team performance which is why we see so many players rested or taken off when the team need them on the field 

[Jack]

7 hours ago, Football Special said:

I actually think it's likely we have sports scientists/ data analysts with the wrong incentives,  their performance perhaps measured by how many players we have 'available' rather than actual team performance which is why we see so many players rested or taken off when the team need them on the field 

Yeah, fair point and can fully imagine a PowerPoint slide being presented in the boardroom. Nice upwards trends on squad availability, xG, automated beer ticket usage and limited edition shirt sales. 
 

League position, league form and fan satisfaction data was omitted.  

[trousers]

Set-piece training? If only some bright spark at the club had come up with this genius notion somewhat earlier than matchday 30... 

#facepalm

#runlikeaseasideb&b

Edited 4 hours ago by trousers

[coalman]

12 minutes ago, trousers said:

Set-piece training? If only some bright spark at the club had come up with this genius notion somewhat earlier than matchday 30... 

#facepalm

#runlikeaseasideb&b

You don't need coaches when you have analysts. Duh

[tdmickey3]

14 minutes ago, trousers said:

Set-piece training? If only some bright spark at the club had come up with this genius notion somewhat earlier than matchday 30... 

#facepalm

#runlikeaseasideb&b

We really are a pathetic excuse of a football club

[scumbag]

Sounds like one for the FAB to pick up - perhaps in one of their 'sub-groups' relating to 'sustainability'.  I think they should make the case for it becoming a regular feature of training, rather than something 'special'.  

Maybe under the banner of 'make set-piece training a set-piece of training'. That's what i would campaign on anyway, if they werent taking inspiration from the Labour Party and cancelling elections of course.

[aintforever]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

Set-piece training? If only some bright spark at the club had come up with this genius notion somewhat earlier than matchday 30... 

#facepalm

#runlikeaseasideb&b

Jesus wept, the mind boggles as to what goes on in the SFC boardroom nowadays. 

[Tommy Mulgrew]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

Jesus wept, the mind boggles as to what goes on in the SFC boardroom nowadays. 

Surely not so much the boardroom as why the f*** hasn’t the head coach or one of his assistant coaches or any of the players thought of set-piece training until now?  It’s not as though such training is almost unheard of, is it?  But, to little old Saints, it’s rocket science.  A complete lack of initiative, resulting from over-reliance on data sheets.  Our club never ceases to amaze me.   🤷🏼‍♂️

[Bob60]

46 minutes ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

Surely not so much the boardroom as why the f*** hasn’t the head coach or one of his assistant coaches or any of the players thought of set-piece training until now?  It’s not as though such training is almost unheard of, is it?  But, to little old Saints, it’s rocket science.  A complete lack of initiative, resulting from over-reliance on data sheets.  Our club never ceases to amaze me.   🤷🏼‍♂️

Of course they have done set piece training before, Tonda has mentioned it in lots of interviews before. 

This was a response to a question about the poopy goal. 

The coaches are obviously just not very good at it.

[Weston Super Saint]

49 minutes ago, Tommy Mulgrew said:

Surely not so much the boardroom as why the f*** hasn’t the head coach or one of his assistant coaches or any of the players thought of set-piece training until now?  It’s not as though such training is almost unheard of, is it?  But, to little old Saints, it’s rocket science.  A complete lack of initiative, resulting from over-reliance on data sheets.  Our club never ceases to amaze me.   🤷🏼‍♂️

Meh. There used to be a time when we didn't even bother looking at what the opposition did for set pieces so baby steps.

[Football Special]

2 hours ago, aintforever said:

Jesus wept, the mind boggles as to what goes on in the SFC boardroom nowadays. 

Imagine how you'd defend a set piece without using your eyes or ears