Burnley Awarded £35m From Everton

[St Chalet]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cqx1wqr3yjno

This on top of their massive 6 point deduction. In the article it suggested we were considering a legal claim along with Forrest.

[coalman]

10 minutes ago, St Chalet said:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cqx1wqr3yjno

This on top of their massive 6 point deduction. In the article it suggested we were considering a legal claim along with Forrest.

Meanwhile in Middlesborough as the news was being received.

[Saint86]

That's a bugger for us. Goes a long way to wiping out the first year reduction in parachute payments.

[Football Special]

Opens a can of worms, we'll end up with clubs taking out lawsuits against each other , lawyers will be delighted but the game is so far removed from the every day fan with all this nonsense 

Expect the appeal will take a while to be heard 

[Draino76]

This was the arbitration panel, apparently.

[obelisk]

It's getting to the stage where there'll be no point playing actual games of football. Get in a decent defence of highly paid lawyers and promotion will be available without even having to kick a ball soon.

I have to ask whether standing behind a tree with a camera watching events going on in public view is a better or worse offence than this though.

[Farmer Saint]

[pingpong]

Forget getting a new striker, who is going to be in the legal team next year? Can we get that lord panic guy involved?

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

Think Everton are appealing. Also is this worse cheating than Spying ?

Funny if they say to Burnley, they can have Dibling instead.

 

Edited 17 hours ago by JohnnyShearer2.0

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Think Everton are appealing. 

Not my type.

Edited 17 hours ago by badgerx16

[saintant]

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Edited 17 hours ago by saintant

[Gloucester Saint]

Absolute mess. Pace may well use that money to pay down some of the debts accrued from their leveraged takeover.

[West Dean FC Legend]

Interesting response from Everton, ummm not saying they didn't do it, just saying it wasn't fair. Errrrr....the rules were there, it is your job to know them, you can't make excuses afterwards. So you are guilty of doing what you were charged with:

The club said in a statement they were "clear in the belief the ruling is fundamentally flawed in both law and fact".

"This ruling sets a dangerous and unworkable precedent for English football, given it is constructed on a principle that a club can be in breach of financial rules at any point in a financial year," the statement said.

[Soton7]

It sounds like the Premier League, EFL, FA and FIFA are a bunch of corrupt wankers who couldn’t run a bath. Absolutely useless.

[DellBlockH]

It makes you wonder how any football club can plan for the future. Everton were punished at the time and, presumably, thought that was it. Any claim by Burnley (or any other club) should have been dealt with then. The same goes for our recent transgression. Deal with it summarily and move on. Having several goes at the same offence helps no-one. 

Moving on to any claim against us that Middlesbrough might contemplate, I think it would be difficult for them to show that our spying denied them Premier League football. They rather managed that on their own.

[DellBlockH]

5 minutes ago, West Dean FC Legend said:

Interesting response from Everton, ummm not saying they didn't do it, just saying it wasn't fair. Errrrr....the rules were there, it is your job to know them, you can't make excuses afterwards. So you are guilty of doing what you were charged with:

The club said in a statement they were "clear in the belief the ruling is fundamentally flawed in both law and fact".

"This ruling sets a dangerous and unworkable precedent for English football, given it is constructed on a principle that a club can be in breach of financial rules at any point in a financial year," the statement said.

They are not saying that they didn’t commit the offence or that they shouldn't be punished (they were). They are saying that they cannot be held financially liable for Burnley's relegation. 

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, Soton7 said:

It sounds like the Premier League, EFL, FA and FIFA are a bunch of corrupt wankers who couldn’t run a bath. Absolutely useless.

didnt you know already?

[saintant]

It's getting to the stage where your team of lawyers is more important than your team of players.

[chownie20]

cant remember what happened that season but dont we equally have an argument too?

[Football Special]

30 minutes ago, saintant said:

It's getting to the stage where your team of lawyers is more important than your team of players.

Match of the Day coming live from the High Court 

[SWLondon Saint]

Jesus, what a mess. Can't see this ending well for anyone except the lawyers.

I remember someone was saying in the spygate thread that a lot of football, despite the big money, is really badly / incompetently run. This kind of thing just proves that....

[Harry_SFC]

This is getting ridiculous now 

Edited 16 hours ago by Harry_SFC

[West Dean FC Legend]

51 minutes ago, DellBlockH said:

They are not saying that they didn’t commit the offence or that they shouldn't be punished (they were). They are saying that they cannot be held financially liable for Burnley's relegation. 

Thanks for that - you can tell I was an electrician for a while 😂

I would say that if they broke those rules, in Premiership football these clearly has an effect on your squad/managment and therefore it must affect results - therefore Burnley can easily claim what they did. Whether it is a much as that who knows but you can definitely argue that without such an advantage Everton may not have stayed up and Burnley might have - you can't prove it but you can't disprove it either. 

Anyway tactics - oh never mind them - who cares?! 🙃

[bpsaint]

Why were we considering legal action? For the following season to Burnley going down I’m guessing, 2022/23? Trying to establish why Forest were also considering legal action against Everton?

[trousers]

Now that's how you respond to a football authority's charges...

 

 

 

[die Mannyschaft]

Does that then mean teams who finished 2nd or 3rd in Premier League when City won leaque could then sue City if they get done for 115 breaches. The same could be done for a relegated team for teams that missed out on a europe place, a final or semi final in leawue Cup or FA cup.

This is a dream ruling for lawyers 

[Lallana's Left Peg]

I think Everton are right - this sets a dangerous and ridiculous precedent that most importantly doesn't have boundaries or can be proven.  The ruling says Everton breaking the rules 'probably' impacted Burnley's ability to stay in the division.  Where do you draw the line?  Sue for red cards and simulation? It's all conjecture.

What we actually need are strong and respected football authorities who have clear rules, clear punishments for breaking those rules, and apply those rules equally and fairly independent of the size of the club.  Then none of this nonsense would happen.

[Charlie Wayman]

4 hours ago, Soton7 said:

It sounds like the Premier League, EFL, FA and FIFA are a bunch of corrupt wankers who couldn’t run a bath. Absolutely useless.

You sound surprised.

[rallyboy]

So Everton have clearly brought the game into disrepute - as have West Ham with their owner, so I guess they're both heading for League One at least.

Add in Man City getting liquidated for their charges, Chelsea and Liverpool getting hit for their misdemeanours and anyone who has ever played Man City or Leicester seeking compensation and it's going to be a complex season.

Especially if Hull don't raise the immediate sales income to save them from having to pay ALL of us compensation...

We could be minted by August. 

[Osvaldorama]

Absolute farce. Stupid decision as much as I hate Everton and want to laugh at them. 
 

We should sue Leicester now for getting promoted whilst in breach of financial regulations. They cost us an autos place 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, rallyboy said:

So Everton have clearly brought the game into disrepute - as have West Ham with their owner, so I guess they're both heading for League One at least.

Add in Man City getting liquidated for their charges, Chelsea and Liverpool getting hit for their misdemeanours and anyone who has ever played Man City or Leicester seeking compensation and it's going to be a complex season.

Especially if Hull don't raise the immediate sales income to save them from having to pay ALL of us compensation...

We could be minted by August. 

I look forward to Corinthian FC being crowned PL champions, following the retroactive punishments imposed across the history of football.

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

11 hours ago, die Mannyschaft said:

Does that then mean teams who finished 2nd or 3rd in Premier League when City won leaque could then sue City if they get done for 115 breaches. The same could be done for a relegated team for teams that missed out on a europe place, a final or semi final in leawue Cup or FA cup.

This is a dream ruling for lawyers 

Why only teams that finished 2nd or 3rd? There's an argument that all teams that finished below them could have finished higher in the table and therefore lost some degree of income as a result.

[sfc4prem]

We should sue Portsmouth for financial breaches in 2005/06 that contributed to our relegation and therefore ultimately our administration and -10, too.

[Saint86]

16 hours ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Think Everton are appealing. Also is this worse cheating than Spying ?

Funny if they say to Burnley, they can have Dibling instead.

 

Yes, financially doping your team across multiple seasons is blatantly more impact than scouting a team a inside an arbitrary window.

Edited 1 hour ago by Saint86

[Saint86]

15 hours ago, saintant said:

It's getting to the stage where your team of lawyers is more important than your team of players.

I've just said similar to an Everton supporting mate (whilst rubbing his face in it - as he did to us over Spygate 😄). He then started moaning about Burnley cheating against them on the pitch in 2 matches... We're getting to the point now where any result can be challenged due to "cheating", and where results will be determined by clubs' legal line ups and settled in the courts. Total mess!

Edited 1 hour ago by Saint86

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

1 hour ago, sfc4prem said:

We should sue Portsmouth for financial breaches in 2005/06 that contributed to our relegation and therefore ultimately our administration and -10, too.

It’s certainly something to think about….the charity and taxpayer thieves got promoted and won an FA Cup with players they couldn’t afford and shouldn’t have had like the ones that turned the FA Cup game at St Mary’s when we were in L1 and well on top of the (then) PL cheats.

Would be sweet wouldn’t it…..