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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston Super Saint View Post
    Surely there's a responsibility on the shoulders of the parents to give sensible advice to their children, especially when it comes to finances and debt?

    I don't think I can be any clearer with my daughter and further education. If she decides to follow a career that 'needs' a degree to enter into it - doctor, lawyer, vet, etc - then she will have my full support to obtain the qualifications necessary. If she decides to go to uni for the sake of going to uni and getting some no mark degree in business studies or economics or media with no real plan or career goal for using the degree, then she will have to live with the burden of what will frankly be a pointless debt.

    Equally I have advised her to seriously consider a career path that has a solid apprenticeship route to achieve the same qualifications as attending uni - earn while you learn is a no-brainer surely?
    I think that you talk a lot of sense but unfortunately it is not quite as easy as you suggest. I know several law graduates who have unfulfilling jobs which do not use their law knowledge. My cousin's daughter is a qualified vet who vet who at the age of 30 wants to start a new career away from treating animals. On the other hand an economics degree proved to be the foundation for many accountants that I know to have successful careers.

    I would suggest that the advice that you offer is sound but don't be too prescriptive. At the end of the day it should be your daughter's choice as to her future career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston Super Saint View Post
    Surely there's a responsibility on the shoulders of the parents to give sensible advice to their children, especially when it comes to finances and debt?

    I don't think I can be any clearer with my daughter and further education. If she decides to follow a career that 'needs' a degree to enter into it - doctor, lawyer, vet, etc - then she will have my full support to obtain the qualifications necessary. If she decides to go to uni for the sake of going to uni and getting some no mark degree in business studies or economics or media with no real plan or career goal for using the degree, then she will have to live with the burden of what will frankly be a pointless debt.

    Equally I have advised her to seriously consider a career path that has a solid apprenticeship route to achieve the same qualifications as attending uni - earn while you learn is a no-brainer surely?
    Has she considered a Chemistry degree at the University of Portsmouth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    One is working in a shop because she can’t get a job using her degree. Two are worried about their student debt and what they are going to do when they leave uni. If you think that starting out life heavily in debt (even before you get involved with a mortgage) is “doing nicely” then yes.
    That’s the legacy of pinkos wanting 50% of kids to go to uni.

    When I was at school the elite (as in brightest) went to uni & it was free. Uni has now been watered down, with polys now called university & every Tom, **** and Harriet going. Being a soft arsed leftie I’ve no doubt you supported this change. Your kids “debt” is the legacy.......


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    Quote Originally Posted by shurlock View Post
    Has she considered a Chemistry degree at the University of Portsmouth?
    Sound advice, Gavyn. Margaret Thatcher obtained a Chemistry degree and look what she went on to achieve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    That’s the legacy of pinkos wanting 50% of kids to go to uni.

    When I was at school the elite (as in brightest) went to uni & it was free. Uni has now been watered down, with polys now called university & every Tom, **** and Harriet going. Being a soft arsed leftie I’ve no doubt you supported this change. Your kids “debt” is the legacy.......


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    Come on, the Universities are just as much about trying to provide a cash influx to places that needed an economic boost as much as it is about providing education. All that sweet student debt propping up medium sized cities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colinjb View Post
    Come on, the Universities are just as much about trying to provide a cash influx to places that needed an economic boost as much as it is about providing education. All that sweet student debt propping up medium sized cities.
    Here you are kids, rack up £25k of debt to prop up a corner shop in Loughborough, or pay for a Nottingham landlord's Buy to Let mortgage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    That’s the legacy of pinkos wanting 50% of kids to go to uni.

    When I was at school the elite (as in brightest) went to uni & it was free. Uni has now been watered down, with polys now called university & every Tom, **** and Harriet going. Being a soft arsed leftie I’ve no doubt you supported this change. Your kids “debt” is the legacy.......


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    No, I didn’t support it but their debt is down to the way that you hard nosed righties run the economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    No, I didn’t support it but their debt is down to the way that you hard nosed righties run the economy.
    Rightly, I don’t want to pay for someone to participate in media studies at the naff uni by St Marys
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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    No, I didn’t support it but their debt is down to the way that you hard nosed righties run the economy.
    The hard-nosed attitude that says that if people wish to avail themselves of further education beyond secondary level which ought to result them earning more, that they should contribute to part of its cost? Would you expect it to be free, so that those who did not benefit from it, had to pay for all those who did?

    LD is right. Before all these tech colleges converted into second rate universities, a degree meant something. The cost of educating the brightest scholars was offset by them paying tax at higher levels because they went on to well paid jobs for the rest of their careers. The system was at the very least self-financing, if not very profitable to the Exchequer. Now the degrees are substantially devalued because the number of universities is massively increased with the number of scholars going to Uni and taking worthless degree courses.

    As a result, we are at a stage whereby unless a degree is obtained at a top Uni in a subject that has real merit in the jobs market, it is probably a more sensible option to get a decent job on the basis of good A level results rather than going to Uni. Instead of joining the dole queue at the end of three years with a worthless bit of paper saying that you have a degree in media studies and a substantial debt, that individual could have achieved three years of valuable work experience, be a known quantity to their employer in terms of ability and reliability, and therefore a better option as an employee than most post-graduate applicants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Rightly, I don’t want to pay for someone to participate in media studies at the naff uni by St Marys
    None of my daughters are doing media studies but don’t let that stop using a stereotype to make an invalid point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    No, I didn’t support it but their debt is down to the way that you hard nosed righties run the economy.
    Their debt is down to the Labour government that abolished student grants and introduced student loans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    None of my daughters are doing media studies but don’t let that stop using a stereotype to make an invalid point.
    Gender studies?

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    Soggy doesn’t like universal credit because he’s Mrs had issues with it, and doesn’t like student finance because it costs his kids money. Very principled.


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    Degree course - £27k
    Accommodation - £15k
    Books - £500

    Massive amounts of willing gash away from home for the first time - priceless.

    #uni

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjii View Post
    Degree course - £27k
    Accommodation - £15k
    Books - £500

    Massive amounts of willing gash away from home for the first time - priceless.

    #uni
    street rat, £5-£10 a go....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Rightly, I don’t want to pay for someone to participate in media studies at the naff uni by St Marys
    I don't particularly want to pay for Trident, but I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    One is working in a shop because she can’t get a job using her degree. Two are worried about their student debt and what they are going to do when they leave uni. If you think that starting out life heavily in debt (even before you get involved with a mortgage) is “doing nicely” then yes.
    Student 'loans' aren't a debt... It's a graduate contribution...

    https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/st...-fees-changes/


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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    Gender studies?
    How about Japanese and Spanish. How many languages do you speak?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    Soggy doesn’t like universal credit because he’s Mrs had issues with it, and doesn’t like student finance because it costs his kids money. Very principled.


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    Do you have any personal experience of Universal Credit? Have you spoken to anybody who has? Have you seen the film I Daniel Blake? No wonder people think that many Tories are arseholes. The system sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    Do you have any personal experience of Universal Credit? Have you spoken to anybody who has? Have you seen the film I Daniel Blake? No wonder people think that many Tories are arseholes. The system sucks.
    Why would I want to watch that load of old pony. I try not to watch stuff made by anti semite’s.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Duckhunter View Post
    Why would I want to watch that load of old pony. I try not to watch stuff made by anti semite’s.


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    Which probably explains why you are so badly informed Duckie. Just think yourself lucky that you don’t have to use the system. If you did you would have some sympathy for those who are stuck with it.

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    And now voice of the common people Jess "pass the mic" Phillips will be endorsing a male millionaire for leader. What I like about Jess is she really sticks to her principles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadoldgit View Post
    Do you have any personal experience of Universal Credit? Have you spoken to anybody who has? Have you seen the film I Daniel Blake? No wonder people think that many Tories are arseholes. The system sucks.
    I do understand your resentment SOG but when you mentioned that you were sore that we/government wouldn't pay your mortgage you lost me a bit there.
    Iam fortunate that I haven't any experience of UC but is there a system that works for all??

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    And now voice of the common people Jess "pass the mic" Phillips will be endorsing a male millionaire for leader. What I like about Jess is she really sticks to her principles.
    Hands up. Looks like the rumours were untrue. Jess has done something vaguely sensible for once and is endorsing Nandy for leader. I do think she's the best choice really and if they don't elect her they are fools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    Hands up. Looks like the rumours were untrue. Jess has done something vaguely sensible for once and is endorsing Nandy for leader. I do think she's the best choice really and if they don't elect her they are fools.
    Like Stewart & that chump Gyimah did for the tories, she only stood as a publicity stunt. Absolutely no substance to her at all. Not that the others have much. They’re no marks.

    When you look at the leadership election James Callaghan won and compare the standing of the candidates you can see just how far the party has fallen. Benn, Healy, foot, Anthony Crossland, Jenkins & Callaghan himself.


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    Emily Thornbury stood up well to Andrew Neills rather curt grilling tonight, but whoever is elected will be left with the Corbyn legacy hanging over them for some time. The world has changed but it seems that politicians form either side do not have the gravitas they used to have. The traditional leftist politics of Labour do not appeal to enough people to win an election, the New Labour experiment was exciting at the time but ended in failure and permanent ingomony for Blair (knife sharpener to the butcher of Baghdad, sorry Middle East peace envoy) and disarray in the party. It seems they have nowhere to go and may be unelectable for a very long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    Hands up. Looks like the rumours were untrue. Jess has done something vaguely sensible for once and is endorsing Nandy for leader. I do think she's the best choice really and if they don't elect her they are fools.
    Isnt she the one who is closest to the one who follows Corbyns policies. If so !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldNick View Post
    Isnt she the one who is closest to the one who follows Corbyns policies. If so !!!
    Rebecca long Bailey is corbyn with tits. Nandy seems like a more centrist candidate, speaks well and sounds genuine. If I were voting I'd vote for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldNick View Post
    I do understand your resentment SOG but when you mentioned that you were sore that we/government wouldn't pay your mortgage you lost me a bit there.
    Iam fortunate that I haven't any experience of UC but is there a system that works for all??
    Just to be clear Nick, we weren’t sore that UC wouldn’t cover our mortgage (but it did rankle us that, when the chap explained that we would be getting no financial support at all, that they would have paid our rent if we had been renting). Just getting to the point when they said there was nothing for us was a monumental struggle, and we are both computer literate. You can’t apply without a computer or access to one which puts many people at a disadvantage straight away. My wife is 53 years old. She has worked since leaving college and has paid her NI contributions. She expected financial assistance when through no fault of her own, she was out of work for a while. I paid the mortgage with my pension but there are still other bills to be paid, for food for example. We ended up getting into debt but fortunately she found another job 6 months ago so we can now afford to deal with the debt. My pension is not enough for me to give up working though and I shall need to work part time until I die. We didn’t expect charity but we did expect help. There are an awful lot of people far worse off than us, goodness knows how they cope. There will never be a perfect system, but this one is truly dreadful. We were denied help because I have an income. It was not enough for us both the live on. Any system should be means tested surely? We didn’t even have the courtesy of a phone call to explain the situation. Just an email saying that our allowance was £0. We had to go searching through a lot of other guff before we worked out why that was. It is a real shame that those people who don’t give a toss about UC because they don’t have to use it, have no idea about how the system works. If so they might be a bit more sympathetic to those who are reliant on it for help.

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    The current lot just don’t care anymore


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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    The current lot just don’t care anymore


    https://twitter.com/addicted2newz/st...315914752?s=21
    Such a drama queen. You’d probably be a little happier if you stopped looking for stuff to get you worked up.

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    This is all a bit like Man City making a big deal out of deciding who will go up to be presented with the Premier League trophy in May.

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    Funny that Batman doesn’t get all worked up about certain members of the press being excluded from a Government briefing, especially given that he is so for democracy and all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    Rebecca long Bailey is corbyn with tits. Nandy seems like a more centrist candidate, speaks well and sounds genuine. If I were voting I'd vote for her.
    No, Rebecca Long-Bailey is Dominic Cummings in a wig.

    Or are they the same person? Have they ever been seen in the same place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypochondriac View Post
    Rebecca long Bailey is corbyn with tits. Nandy seems like a more centrist candidate, speaks well and sounds genuine. If I were voting I'd vote for her.
    Watching RLB on Breakfast Time. God help us if she ever became leader of the Opposition.

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    The constituency Labour Party of North Islington, whose MP is Mr Jeremy Corbyn, have voted to nominate Kier Starmer as their choice for leader. Not the fatuous drip and vapid acolyte Rebecca Long Bailey.

    Maybe, just maybe, the era of of The Cretin is coming to an end.


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    So then Corbynistas, are trans women women? Are trans men men? If the answer is anything other than yes then you're transphobic and you're getting expelled from the party if corbyn with tits gets in:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51465800
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    Some of the data from this is unreal and shows the Labour membership in a particularly poor light. Not a cult, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    Some of the data from this is unreal and shows the Labour membership in a particularly poor light. Not a cult, though.
    Polled less than 1 in 50 members. Must be accurate then.
    Nothing to do with negative press coverage, the media have zero influence on people's perceptions.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9255551.html

    Anyway, surprised you care so long you've got your trips to Florida safely in the bag.

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    Thornberry didn't make it. Phew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    Polled less than 1 in 50 members. Must be accurate then.
    Nothing to do with negative press coverage, the media have zero influence on people's perceptions.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9255551.html

    Anyway, surprised you care so long you've got your trips to Florida safely in the bag.
    1,000 respondents in a poll is acceptable standard sample for a national opinion poll, so its perfectly fine as a sample for a much smaller group of the population.

    It's all looking very hopeful so far and maybe, just maybe Labour might just turn into the thing you hate and fear the most: A Labour party focused on getting into power and making actual decisions and enacting actual policies that make actual change to the lives of the poorest and most vulnerable in society. No longer a cosy little self congratulatory protest club.

    I know you've told us all you are wealthy enough never to be bothered about that and prefer to posture snd pontificate on the sidelines but I have a deep seated belief that change is always possible and it starts at the ballot box.

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    Politicians should stop bashing the rich… most of us just don’t agree

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ons-like-them?

    An interesting aticle. Labour will not win elections if it is seen as the party that penalises aspiration.

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    Listening to Long-Bailey and Angela Rayner on Andrew Marr. Heaven help the party with these two at the helm.
    Will stamp out the wave of transphobia though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamesaint View Post
    An interesting aticle. Labour will not win elections if it is seen as the party that penalises aspiration.
    Thats always been an election issue though. How do you level up without levelling down? How do you maximise potential and make success in life less dependent on which parents you had and where you went to school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CB Fry View Post
    1,000 respondents in a poll is acceptable standard sample for a national opinion poll, so its perfectly fine as a sample for a much smaller group of the population.

    It's all looking very hopeful so far and maybe, just maybe Labour might just turn into the thing you hate and fear the most: A Labour party focused on getting into power and making actual decisions and enacting actual policies that make actual change to the lives of the poorest and most vulnerable in society. No longer a cosy little self congratulatory protest club.

    I know you've told us all you are wealthy enough never to be bothered about that and prefer to posture snd pontificate on the sidelines but I have a deep seated belief that change is always possible and it starts at the ballot box.
    "Hate and fear the most" lolz

    Not sure why you think I'm wealthy, just because I might have been a beneficiary of a generously low inheritance tax. Anyway, I thought you'd be intensely relaxed about other people getting filthy rich.

    At least Kier Starmer has the guts to call out the British press
    https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/si...corbyn-1742444

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    The minister for allotments and ill-fitting jumpers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batman View Post
    Rightly, I don’t want to pay for someone to participate in media studies at the naff uni by St Marys
    My wife did media studies at uni. Got a job in marketing on the back of it ans now earns £70k per year so I wouldn’t worry too much if the kid has brains and drive to compete in the world after uni.

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    I don't expect the BBC or other MSM will be mentioning a single example of their false antisemitism accusations.
    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs...semitism-libel

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