Legod Third Coming Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Just been out on the town with a Hammer. His take? Pardew started quite quietly and made some bizarre choices in selection and tactics. He thinks he was simply trying to suss out the team to see who could play where and how. Laughed when he saw our results and thought we would react the same way they did = wondering if Pards has any tactical nous!! Stick with him, he said, and you'll see him strengthen in the right areas. Have to say that you can't argue that he has seen two of our problems and attempted to fix them - Lambert and Hammond. I feel a bit more positive - not that I was in the pitchfork brigade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkymojo44 Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Good post. People should remember the intial reaction when WGS joined us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 And Redknapp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkymojo44 Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 and Pearson tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Good post. People should remember the intial reaction when WGS joined us. Correct - he lost loads of games before getting HIS team in place. AP will do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 My Dad is a West Ham fan and he liked Pardew. I got faith in the man, others should too, it's only been 3 league games and I am pretty sure he will shine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so22saint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Idiotic short termism is killing this country - I can still remember the clamour for Ferguson's head after 4 years at Man U and bugger all (well nearly bugger all). Then look what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 settled me kinda.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Pardew is a massive manager for a team in our position. I think that we are just used to chopping and changing managers every few months. What we really really need is a manager that will stay here for the long haul. I would be happy to give Pardew 5 years. Putting early pressure on him is just ludicrous and counter-productive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langleysaint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 AP needs time he has inherited the most inept squad in SFC history, Rome was not built in a day, unlike farton park. COYR and yes i am still postive even though i was at Swindon last night, time for another ale,good night all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 The real problem is the expectations of Saints fans I think most of us expected to walk this league just because we're a bug club - forgetting that the squad is woefully short of real first team players and until recently just a bunch of old timers and kids AP knows this hence signing Hardy, Hammond and Lambert I just hope Corteses and Liebherr see this as well it's going to take another 6 or 7 players and probably £5 million to make us competitive in this league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yate Saint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 I think generally its frustration that we are already doubting Pardew. We will improve but i fear it won't be untill late sept/october time, this by no means is too late to push for play offs. Pardew will get it right, we have the financial backing now and we all know that we need some good experienced / better players in the team. Pardew knows this as well and is doing the best he can. He is no better off then Wotte was really, so untill he gets the players he wants to work with then we will have to sit tight and be patient. The signings of Harding, Lambert, Hammond and the promise of Mellis have shown we are going in the right direction in the signing of players. Keep the faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Tbf west ham are a premier team and will find it a lot easier to attract the players they require......us on the other hand are a sh1te team in a sh1te league being beaten comfortably by some more sh1te teams. No comparison really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Looking at how the new owner and his staff conduct business I am 100% sure that AP was not an appointment taken without much thought. I am sure they looked long and hard at him, as well as others, before saying he is the man they want. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Tbf west ham are a premier team and will find it a lot easier to attract the players they require......us on the other hand are a sh1te team in a sh1te league being beaten comfortably by some more sh1te teams. No comparison really. West Ham were Championship when he took over remember, then he got them promoted, to an FA Cup final and 9th in the PL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Tbf west ham are a premier team and will find it a lot easier to attract the players they require......us on the other hand are a sh1te team in a sh1te league being beaten comfortably by some more sh1te teams. No comparison really. Not a big fan of this chap I take it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 I think most of us expected to walk this league just because we're a bug club - forgetting that the squad is woefully short of real first team players and until recently just a bunch of old timers and kids Are we Ladybirds Spiders or Moths? ;-) I think if you look at how empty the Megastore looks that is a window in to how low things got at Southampton Football club. We need time and patience to get things back up and running where we would expect, I would imagine someone of the calibre and experience of ML & NC when they finally walked through the door they could see that a 5 year plan was probably the best option: if we are still flirting with disaster (in a big way) at Christmas then questions need to be asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Should be given this season and next season at the least to put his stamp on the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 To be honest I thought the same last night. The football was truly shocking, yet Pardew made no substitutions - why? Three reasons: 1) He's sussing out the team / wanting them to learn the formation 2) He's not a subs manager (pick the best team and that's it) 3) He's clueless I've got to go for (1), the others are too depressing, but it makes sense too. Otherwise Rasiak would have been on from the start / subbed on early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 The west ham fans really didn't rate him at the start of his reign - took him a little while to get grip of it all. but then at the end of the season, there he is with the players on an open top bus holding a trophy. He's making sensible signings that equate to what we all believe we are lacking - so give it time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Can't believe people actually questioned him after 4 games in charge. Joke really. Saying that, people were complaining after a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Idiotic short termism is killing this country - I can still remember the clamour for Ferguson's head after 4 years at Man U and bugger all (well nearly bugger all). Then look what happened. I remember when Bruce Rioch got sacked after one season at Arsenal. Idiot short termism. Then look what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 If we had Jose Mourinho on the touchline and he had behaved in a similar way as AP last night tactically i would be just as concerned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 Pardew is a massive manager for a team in our position. I think that we are just used to chopping and changing managers every few months. What we really really need is a manager that will stay here for the long haul. I would be happy to give Pardew 5 years. Putting early pressure on him is just ludicrous and counter-productive Yes but not quite as ludicrous as giving him five years if things don't improve !! A very far fetched statement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 If we had Jose Mourinho on the touchline and he had behaved in a similar way as AP last night tactically i would be just as concerned If the players aren't performing to any kind of standard and they're not doing the jobs they've been told to do, how are tactics going to make any difference? Or multiple substitutions for that matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Mockles Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 As I intimated on the Swindon reaction thread (page 5 I think). Good post & knee jerk, fickle fans really need to absorb the emotions a bit better. Look at the acquisitions we've made so far. Just need time to come to fruitition. Harding's been superb!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so22saint Posted 19 August, 2009 Share Posted 19 August, 2009 I remember when Bruce Rioch got sacked after one season at Arsenal. Idiot short termism. Then look what happened. At least they gave him a season! :-) I take it you would rather we all jump on a Pardew out bandwagon, and then hound out the next bloke in charge after 4 games. give it time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanovski Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 i like him so far but hearing the team he put out and the subs made me worry but i do like him so far other than that i want him to prove every one wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigersaint Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 Seems odd to me that fans complain that we have had too many managers over the last several years and the club have not had any stabitlity, and then start questioning AP after just 3 league games (and 1 Cup game) and his ability as a manager, some virtually wanting him out already!?? FFS... what does it take to please some. We've all seen what happens with frequent departures and appointments. The club now have owners with fresh thinking knowing things aren't going to change overnight, maybe we as fans can do the same and remain solid in support as a change too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghq Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 I hold no particular brief for Pardew, however, a man of his experience is hardly goiong to be swayed by somke of the loonies on here asking for his sacking or telling him how to run a team like ours. I've been impressed by his signings to date and think we'll be in a better position by Xmas. Surely, after the absolute dross of the past few years a little time is going to be needed to sort this lot out to the point where most of us are happy. Note I said most of us, as some who post on here will never be content, no matter what the state of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 Can't believe people actually questioned him after 4 games in charge. Joke really. Saying that, people were complaining after a week. Who knows how Pardew will do here like all managers he has failed and suceeded in the past of course he should of course be allowed to stay for sometime. However a manager is under constant scrutiny and so far has not performed that well with results but with the addition of a few players that will hopefully change and he will get better reviews as results improve. The two perforformances away from home seem to be dire even worse than last season so fans including me are not happy will progress to date next month should be a different story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 Tbf west ham are a premier team and will find it a lot easier to attract the players they require......us on the other hand are a sh1te team in a sh1te league being beaten comfortably by some more sh1te teams. No comparison really. Not a big fan of this chap I take it ? Can he play centre back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 Can he play centre back? Relatively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 Think I posted something about showing the team/board the extent of the problem in my "joke" 1st conspiracy post during the match thread. The only thing missing now will be the appearance of Pulis in a match day squad then we'll all know he is really checking out the entire squad... But it was obvious that a squad not good enough for the CCC which loses 4 of it's more regular or pacey players would also struggle in L1. In the real world it simply takes time to check out all the alternatives that are available on the transfer/bosman/loan markets. Real managers don't use a computer game to make their decisions, they try and get the players scouted or talk to their contacts from the past who may have noted them. Re the Megastore, it isn't JUST the playing side that is in a mess, it will all take time, money should will be spent wisely, ML is Swiss, not a British Bank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 Can he play centre back? No. He has a 50p head. And Heisenberg's no good either - too uncertain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petersfield Saint Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 We all know he needs time, we'll all (mostly) give it too him. BUT, after all these years, I think many of us just really hoped we'd get off to a good start under a new manager for once. Other teams do it all the time, we never, ever manage it. When was the last time? Sturrock v Liverpool? Good post - sums up pretty well how I feel. It's been a disappointing start but I think things will click and I'm impressed with the signings (for this level) so far. I'd certainly give AP at least a season to turn things in the right direction, but five years? Lol! I can remember people saying that when Burley joined! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch of Maycomb Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 Yes but not quite as ludicrous as giving him five years if things don't improve !! A very far fetched statement! you're right, lets give him two more games. no, one. No, lets sack him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 Idiotic short termism is killing this country - I can still remember the clamour for Ferguson's head after 4 years at Man U and bugger all (well nearly bugger all). Then look what happened. Spot on ! Top post ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 I know I should be more reasonable, but I can't quite get my head around the fact that the season has started and we're 3 games into it and we're looking pretty cr*p - possibly going to struggle all season. Now I'm over the shock of Swindon (not just the result but also our poor performance) I'm willing to be patient with AP............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellgirl Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 AP has also to get the team playing for 90 minutes + at full pelt,the last two seasons we looked dead after 70,so chopping and changing now is not going to tell him what he needs to know..who can make it and who can't....the Saints Web may be able to but he is the Manager in whom we must trust until proved very wrong which I don't think will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 Who knows how Pardew will do here like all managers he has failed and suceeded in the past of course he should of course be allowed to stay for sometime. However a manager is under constant scrutiny and so far has not performed that well with results but with the addition of a few players that will hopefully change and he will get better reviews as results improve. The two perforformances away from home seem to be dire even worse than last season so fans including me are not happy will progress to date next month should be a different story But the man has inherited a team that performed woefully last year in the championship and so our confidence MUST be shot, and also a team that has lost the better players from last year (if you can call them that) He has 2 strikers that don't want to be here, and by all accounts needs to plug gaps all over the shop. He is obviously trying hard to get replacements in, but it can't be easy, especially with the amount of prep time we lost with the pinnacle fiasco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 Being in the position that we find ourselves we have to be patient. AP will not find it easy to get the players he wants and we will probably have to wait until January to get the men he wants for longevity.The signings so far seem to be working out so now we need to unload some of our chaff. We have far to many players(?) on our books that will hopefully never be required to play for us. I will be watching closely on Saturday to see what side he puts out against Brentford. Hammond I expect to play but will the PNE youngster. Trotman has gained a few admirers so far but he may need a week to get used to our system. One in which we can actually stop conceding at corners and free kicks would be nice. My main concern with AP's selections so far has been the reliance on Wotton. I am still left wondering whether he sees something that we don't. Maybe in training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzmeister Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 We all know he needs time, we'll all (mostly) give it too him. BUT, after all these years, I think many of us just really hoped we'd get off to a good start under a new manager for once. Other teams do it all the time, we never, ever manage it. When was the last time? Sturrock v Liverpool? I think this could have been a possibility had AP had a full pre-season. He didnt though, pretty much only had a week which is no way near enough to get a team together, get the players you want in and get them playing the way you want. Give him a month and I think we can start putting a run together - all we need is one or two wins and I think it will then click! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 I think this could have been a possibility had AP had a full pre-season. He didnt though, pretty much only had a week which is no way near enough to get a team together, get the players you want in and get them playing the way you want. Give him a month and I think we can start putting a run together - all we need is one or two wins and I think it will then click! I am starting to think our season really starts in septemeber...annoyingly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 I am starting to think our season really starts in septemeber...annoyingly Annoying yes, but I think you (and others) are spot on with this assumption... It's impossible to notice patterns if you don't have anything to observe upon. Pardew is doing his observations in league games rather than preseason friendlies. Really, really annoying but that's just how it is. The real test begins when Pardew has noticed some patterns, made his judgement and acted upon it. So far it doesn't look too bad. Lambert, Hammond, Murty, Harding all seem to have been brought in to address specific problems that the fans have been staring at for ages (not counting Mellis as I have a feeling he was a player that was just suddenly "available" through the Wilkins link and Pardew did't want to pass on him. Might prove to be the most useful luxury in League One though ;-)). If somehow a big, bad CB appears soon I think Pardew has identified most of our major weaknesses in the starting XI and taken steps to correct them. Then he can take it from there and build a squad for promotion. Next step from there is to see what Pardew can do with a squad he can actually vouch for player by player... If then, he appears to have lost the plot (which I find rather unlikely) I'll start to worry. Until then I'll consider us firmly in the "rebuilding but will take any point that comes along"-phase... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 Next step from there is to see what Pardew can do with a squad he can actually vouch for player by player... If then, he appears to have lost the plot (which I find rather unlikely) I'll start to worry. Until then I'll consider us firmly in the "rebuilding but will take any point that comes along"-phase... Oh, I'll just add the usual disclaimer: the above is easy for me to say as I don't have endure the pain of witnessing the rebuilding phase first hand and paying huge amounts to see Saints succumb to the Peles and Maradonas of our League One opposition... So fair play to those who go to games and vent their frustration afterwards - just don't lose the perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 Just been out on the town with a Hammer. His take? Pardew started quite quietly and made some bizarre choices in selection and tactics. He thinks he was simply trying to suss out the team to see who could play where and how. Laughed when he saw our results and thought we would react the same way they did = wondering if Pards has any tactical nous!! Stick with him, he said, and you'll see him strengthen in the right areas. Have to say that you can't argue that he has seen two of our problems and attempted to fix them - Lambert and Hammond. I feel a bit more positive - not that I was in the pitchfork brigade... tbf any signing initially was going to address a problem area - but the general sentiment of the post is positive, lets try to be patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 The only thing missing now will be the appearance of Pulis in a match day squad then we'll all know he is really checking out the entire squad... I'm sure he was on the bench for Millwall :-o waaaaay too close to the Saints 1st team for my liking... ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 you only have to look at how tough Lee Clark found it when he took charge at Huddersfield to know that turning a team round take time, but if you give the right man enough time then the club will prosper. The fact Pardew identified immediately that our CB's are ****e filled me with great confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 August, 2009 Share Posted 20 August, 2009 you only have to look at how tough Lee Clark found it when he took charge at Huddersfield to know that turning a team round take time, but if you give the right man enough time then the club will prosper. The fact Pardew identified immediately that our CB's are ****e filled me with great confidence. i agree.. I take august as our "pre season".... September is where (i hope) results will start to turn.. I still think that come january, we will be nicely in midtable.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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