the stain Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Rodriguez has clearly dived for the penalty in todays game against Villa. Reading the match thread there is a mixed response to this. Some people seem unhappy to have got a goal through cheating, others seem okay with it. If we last the second half and win this game, it could be key to both our and Villa's season. Is it acceptable to have that influenced by a dive? If Rodriguez was a foreign import I reckon he'd get a lot more stick. Personally, I'd prefer to win without the diving and think we would have scored eventually anyway as we were battering them at that point. But we're in dire straits and need the points and there is nothing we can do to change it, so I say, lets just be pleased to be ahead and if we end up winning, lets rejoice that and if we stay up and Villa go down then let us all laugh in their faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Bald_Si Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Yes, it is ok. We're 1-0 up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 It does generally even itself out over the season but that does not mean the system is fair, a panel should review afterwards for situations such as this and the person should be heavily punished, we should do everything we can to stop cheating, but I have not seen it yet so I cant comment on what Rodriguez is supposed to of done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 I'm not proud that one of our players has done it, but will I say we shouldn't have won/ not enjoy it/ complain...nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Lallana would have have been proud of that one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 You can imagine what Adkins said to JRod - Don't do that, don't play like that, don't cheat, don't dive, but fu**ing well done son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 I shall reserve judgement until I've seen the incident. Great result though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 No. But we deserved the win. Boruc was fouled before J Rod went down, and again later by Benteke. When Shaw was down injured, a villa player had his hand on the ref's neck, and didn't even get a card. Ref was awful, including giving that penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wopper Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 You win the game any way you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Surely it's the ref's inability to officiate, rather than the player diving? Anyone can dive - not all referees give them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Rather no one did it, however in the absence of widespread honesty, if it keeps us up this year, I would add Tom daly to the coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 I despise it, whoever does it. Diving is an urgent candidate for post-match reviews and yellow cards - or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Not convinced he dived to be honest. Think the weight of his upper body as he shifted forced him over. Great performance by him today though. Ran his socks off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Dave Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Never ok. Shocking dive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4INT Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 I thought it was a foul on Puncheon by Guzan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Sack him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazza82 Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Never ok. Shocking dive Evens out over the blatant ones we miss out on over the course of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 I thought it was a foul on Puncheon by Guzan... Likewise, I thought Halsey played advantage after Punch was clattered, didn't look like Jay Rod had anything to do with it. It is possible to go down without it being a dive or foul of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Way I saw it, JRod moved to get out of the way of a rash challenge (they made plenty of those) and lost his footing. He did'nt claim the pen - it was given - therefore OK in my book. I don't understand how Saints fans can be so harsh on a Saints player - we're not known generally for cheating. If you want to berate anyone, berate the Ref or Villa, who are a bunch of nasty barstewards anyway for the way they kicked off when Luke Shaw (a 17 year-old kid) was quite clearly badly injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 No, cheationg has become endedmic and the game authrorities need to introduce retrospctive punishments strong enough to eradicate it from the game. Unless the game is played within the rules, why have any rules at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich102 Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 J Rod anticipates contact (the Villa player made to take his leg) and falls. I'd rather our strikers did this than missed chances and penalties by not making the most of contact. He doesn't claim for anything either. It's never a penalty, but it's a refereeing mistake, not out and out cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THINWHITEDUKE Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Don't be so quick to criticise you bunch of bed wetters, would you hear manure or liverpool or any other supporters moan about getting 3 points by foul means. ffs man up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Way I saw it, JRod moved to get out of the way of a rash challenge (they made plenty of those) and lost his footing. He did'nt claim the pen - it was given - therefore OK in my book. I don't understand how Saints fans can be so harsh on a Saints player - we're not known generally for cheating. If you want to berate anyone, berate the Ref or Villa, who are a bunch of nasty barstewards anyway for the way they kicked off when Luke Shaw (a 17 year-old kid) was quite clearly badly injured. Nutshell. It wasn't a 'dive' to win a penalty, he was trying to get out of the way of a rash challenge and hitting the deck was perhaps the only way of achieving that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr27 Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 I thought it was a foul on Puncheon by Guzan... Ditto. Did not even notice the JayRod challenge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 12 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Not convinced he dived to be honest. Oh come on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 I certainly would feel aggrieved if we'd lost to that. Having said that, I think Rodriguez was saying it wasn't a foul in the footage, maybe it'll become clearer later. Apart from a Villa spell from around 70-90 mins, we deserved to win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 How many times does Rickie get fouled each game and nothing is given? About time a bit of luck went our way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 12 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 12 January, 2013 If you want to berate anyone, berate the Ref or Villa, who are a bunch of nasty barstewards anyway for the way they kicked off when Luke Shaw (a 17 year-old kid) was quite clearly badly injured. I agree with you on that. They clearly set out to intimidate the wee chap. Bullying b*stards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 12 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 12 January, 2013 If Saints ended up in the relegation zone (like Villa now are) as a result of the opposition winning a penalty through a dive, I'd be furious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Absolutely delighted with 3 points - but tainted by the manner in which we got the goal (although haven't seen it yet so might change my mind). I expect Jay Rod will get some grief for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Oh come on! he fell over; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Jonathan Pearce (MotD commentator for this game) NOT saying that it was a blatant dive by Rodriquez, just that he went down to avoid contact. I.e. no cheating involved, just poor ref decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 (edited) Having said that, I think Rodriguez was saying it wasn't a foul in the footage, maybe it'll become clearer later. Granted I'm not a qualified lip-reader but it looked like J-Rod said it wasn't a foul in one the replays. Can't stand players that dive personally, but I thought it should have been a pen for the foul on Punch by the keeper. Edited 12 January, 2013 by bpsaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 I thought he moved his foot to simulate contact, so it was a conscious thing rather than just falling over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millsy Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 I certainly would feel aggrieved if we'd lost to that. Having said that, I think Rodriguez was saying it wasn't a foul in the footage, maybe it'll become clearer later. Apart from a Villa spell from around 70-90 mins, we deserved to win it. He looks up a little bemused and says "he didn't touch me". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max_saints Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 like some have said, these kind of things even themselves put over the season, we're going to get decisions like that go against us. until a system is in place to address dives like these, it's going to be part and parcel of the modern game. okay jrod did dive but he did not vehemently shout for a penalty, tbf he looked sheepish about it being given and even look guilty at the end of the game but what can he do, the referee gave the penalty. we're in a relegation fight, we'll just have to take everything we get, can't expect to win beautifully every game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studentsaint Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 He went done under no contact, however he had turned and was about to plant his right foot when the defender was coming in with a challenge. Now if he had planted his foot there would have been a foul and j rod could have ended up with a nasty injury. Therefore I don't blame the lad from moving his landing foot out of the way before he got chopped. As it was his landing foot still in the air he went down and made the most of it. My point is it would have been a foul if he hadn't avoided it at all costs last minute and saved hi.self an injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Coat Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Yes cheating is acceptable. Great win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Rodriguez has clearly dived for the penalty. What a load of rubbish. His weight was forward and he fell over. It was not a penalty and he did not try to cliam one. Just a strange decision from the referee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 No, diving is horrible, but today, without it, we'd have got a 0-0 draw and with Reading and Sunderland winning, and Newcastle, QPR and Wigan all picking up points, that dive was crucial for 3 points. I'm sure it all balances out over time anyway, we'll be, or have been victims of diving against us at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Saint Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 No. Cheating is not OK. Diving is despicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 12 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 12 January, 2013 What a load of rubbish. His weight was forward and he fell over. It was not a penalty and he did not try to cliam one. Just a strange decision from the referee. He went down as if his legs had been swept away from under him - that is not what happens when you fall over. I guess it's too hard for Saints fans to see one of their own cheating. It's easier if it's Suarez or someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambertsrightleg Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 I couldn't care less how we win. Hand ball goal, offside goal, diving for penalties. If it was against us though, that's a different matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 On the subject of things being evened up over time it was only last week that we had a pen given against us when it shouldn't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 If 19 other teams in the league have a go at it against you then you're a mug not to have a go yourself. It can't be applauded but it's part of the prem and here to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 He didn't dive! For it to be a dive, he has to claim the penalty. He didn't claim it but the referee gave it. Therefore it is a 'mistake' by the referee NOT a dive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Under Weststand Posted 12 January, 2013 Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Rodriguez dived, the only question for me is did he dive to win a penalty or to get out of the way of what looked a shocking tackle, and penalty's are given for intent. Was Rodriguez supposed to stand and take a possible leg breaking tackle? I can see both sides to this argument, I don't like to see us win by cheating, but for me the tackle had intent & was high. Anyway how many times this season have we had poor decisions against us clear pens not given, maybe over the season we've earned our bit of luck today. Until the authorities decide to bring in retrospective penalties for cheating nothing will change. This however would be a difficult decision for any board retrospectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stain Posted 12 January, 2013 Author Share Posted 12 January, 2013 Adkins deals with the issue very well on SSN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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