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Firstly, many thanks as always to Over Land and Sea for the excellent work yesterday on keeping track of all this. Always appreciated by me.

Looking at the longest contracted players (26 & 27) shows what excellent work the club has done recently, and also how exciting the future looks. 
A couple of years ago we were strangled by having players we didn’t want on long, expensive deals. Now (apart Liz which still confuses me) we’ve got exciting talent.

Ok, so not all of them will work out, but equally their wages won’t be excessive. 
There’s 12 players on deals ending 26/27 and you can make the following team (excluding Liz)

Bazunu

Livramento ABK DCC Larios

Aribo JWP Lavia Edozie

Mara Morgan

Realistically both Mara and Morgan are not out and out strikers which helps demonstrate the gaping hole in our squad, and of course Morgan (though very highly rated) is yet to kick a ball for us. But that leaves us 10 of the 11 spots filled until 2026 with real talent and potential.

Add in the prospects of Pearce, Payne, Edwards, Ballard, Doyle and now the returning Dibling and I think there’s real cause for optimism.

Great work by the club. If only we could have nailed that number 9 we need …

 

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With Redmond's departure almost confirmed on the OS, he is the 55th pro to have left permanently since the end of the 19-20 season (plus a further 10 scholars).  That's 65 players in slightly over 2 years - that's some turnover.  On top of that we've had countless players out on loan over that period - 14 currently.

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The 25 man squads have been published on the PL website.  Our squad is, as expected, only 18 players over 21 years old plus 57 players who are under 21. 

https://www.premierleague.com/news/2786707

25 Squad players (*Home grown)

  1. Abdul Karim, Mohamed Salisu
  2. Adams, Che Sac Everton Fred*
  3. Armstrong , Adam James*
  4. Armstrong, Stuart
  5. Ayodele-Aribo, Joseph
  6. Caballero Lazcano, Wilfredo Daniel
  7. Caleta-Car, Duje
  8. Diallo, Ibrahima
  9. Djenepo, Moussa
  10. El Younossi, Mohamed
  11. Evangelista Silveira Neves Vojnovic, Lyanco
  12. Lancashire, Oliver*
  13. Maitland-Niles, Ainsley*
  14. McCarthy, Alex Simon*
  15. Perraud, Romain Paul Jean Michel
  16. Walcott, Theo James*
  17. Walker-Peters, Kyle Leonardus*
  18. Ward-Prowse, James Michael Edward*

U21 players (Contract and Scholars)

  1. Amo-Ameyaw, Samuel Christian Osaze K O
  2. Andrews, Joseph Daniel
  3. Armitage, Will
  4. Babic, Goran Gogo
  5. Bailey, Isaac Joseph
  6. Bailey, Samuel James
  7. Ballard, Dominic
  8. Bazunu, Gavin
  9. Bella-Kotchap, Armel
  10. Bellis, Samuel Lawrence Alexander
  11. Boot, Nathanael Joshua Asiimwe
  12. Bragg, Cameron Roger
  13. Bycroft, Jack Thomas (loan)
  14. Carson, Matthew
  15. Charles, Brandon Davis
  16. Chauke, Kgaogelo (loan)
  17. Chavez-Munoz, Ryan Jorge
  18. Davis, Sonnie
  19. Dibling, Tyler-Jay
  20. Doyle, Kamari Olivier
  21. Edmondson, Tyler James
  22. Edozie, Samuel Ikechukwu
  23. Edwards, Milan Diamond Lazane
  24. Evans, Reggie James
  25. Finnigan, Ryan James
  26. Hall, Matthew
  27. Hartness, Ethan Andre Thomas
  28. Hewlett, Jeremiah James
  29. Higgs, Tommy Lee
  30. Jeffries, Josh David
  31. Larios Lopez, Juan
  32. Lavia, Romeo
  33. Lawrence, Nico
  34. Lett, Joshua Matthew
  35. Livramento, Valentino
  36. Mara, Sekou
  37. Merry, William George
  38. Mohamed, Adli Hatim Othman Husain Elkhidir
  39. Morgan, Jimmy-Jay
  40. Olaigbe, Kazeem Aderemi J. (loan)
  41. Otseh-Taiwo, Zuriel
  42. Pambou Makaya, Leon
  43. Payne, Lewis James
  44. Pearce, Luke Edward Andrew
  45. Prescott, Alfie Leo
  46. Rodriguez Borja, Jeremi Alexander
  47. Ross-Lang, Fedel
  48. Simeu, Dynel Brown Kemgo (loan)
  49. Small, Thierry (loan)
  50. Squires, Joshua David
  51. Stepien Iwumene, Emeka Alex
  52. Tizzard, Wiliam (loan)
  53. Turner, Jack
  54. Watts, Caleb Cassius (loan)
  55. Woods, Harvey James (loan)
  56. Wright, Oliver
  57. Wright, Rylee

Those under 21s out on loan are listed.  In the over 21 list we omit 7 players out on loan (as we are not required to list them):

  •          Bednarek, Jan
  •         Lis, Mateusz
  •         Nlundulu, Dan*
  •          Smallbone, William Anthony Patrick*
  •          Stephens, Jack*
  •          Tella, Nathan*
  •          Vokins, Jake*

I note the OS profiles have been updated to include the new scholars and has moved last season's 2nd year scholars into the  B team.  Tyler Dibling is excluded from U18s.  The B team includes 5 players who are out on loan but the other 10 players out on loan are excluded.  That may get corrected.  I doubt some of those listed in the U18 list will  play much for the U18s - e.g. Ballard, Morgan, Bragg, Doyle - but they are still 2nd year scholars (1st year for Morgan).

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1 hour ago, SuperSAINT said:

Amazing job.  Can we still sign youth players?  That 2nd spurs lad never signed.

He did, I believe. He's a year younger than the other one, so only 15 and not yet a full scholar and no need to announce it. 

I'd expect him in the new scholarship intake next summer. 

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19 minutes ago, SaintNewForest said:

He did, I believe. He's a year younger than the other one, so only 15 and not yet a full scholar and no need to announce it. 

I'd expect him in the new scholarship intake next summer. 

I’d heard (last week) it wasn’t done yet.  Unsure what the hold up was. Imagine there’s lots in for him.

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2 hours ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

Loaning academy players out for "work experience". Not heard of that happening before. Is this a new initiative or have I just been blissfully ignorant over the years...? 

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34 minutes ago, trousers said:

Loaning academy players out for "work experience". Not heard of that happening before. Is this a new initiative or have I just been blissfully ignorant over the years...? 

Have to say I haven't heard of it either but they all played today in a 3-0 win.

Good experience playing against men as they are all 16. 

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1 hour ago, trousers said:

Loaning academy players out for "work experience". Not heard of that happening before. Is this a new initiative or have I just been blissfully ignorant over the years...? 

 

1 hour ago, The Cat said:

Have to say I haven't heard of it either but they all played today in a 3-0 win.

Good experience playing against men as they are all 16. 

I don’t know when it started, but we certainly did it last season too.  I believe the lads train with Saints in the week and play with their loan teams at the weekends. 

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2 hours ago, goodymatt said:

Does this hint at a new deal?

Would like to think so... can't think of any other reason why they would post such a cryptic message...?

p.s. I love his jumper / cardigan... when do I get one of those from?!

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17 minutes ago, trousers said:

Would like to think so... can't think of any other reason why they would post such a cryptic message...?

p.s. I love his jumper / cardigan... when do I get one of those from?!

Think they will have them at your local 1980s golf shop 😉

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1 hour ago, Master Bates said:

Thierry Small recalled to Saints, loan cancelled 

Wonder what's behind this.
Dont think he was getting a game at Port Vale which doesnt bode well

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16 hours ago, spyinthesky said:

Wonder what's behind this.
Dont think he was getting a game at Port Vale which doesnt bode well

He was used as a striker in some games apparently and has been playing in our  team games recently. Considering the fuss when he joined us from Everton, things don't seem to have developed too well, though it is worth remembering that he is only just 18.

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Maybe Jones wants to have a look at him, or maybe Larios's injury is worse than first thought? 

We can always loan him out again in January if stuff fixes itself. Clearly the club aren't thinking he's progressing as expected there.

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1 hour ago, Saint Garrett said:

Maybe Jones wants to have a look at him, or maybe Larios's injury is worse than first thought? 

We can always loan him out again in January if stuff fixes itself. Clearly the club aren't thinking he's progressing as expected there.

I wouldn't have thought it was Jones related given he has been playing in our B team a couple of times while still on loan at Vale. Can we cancel Smallbone's loan at Stoke as well?

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22 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

Good lad. Nice show of faith from the club after he'd just suffered a serious knee injury with his contract almost up. We're pretty decent with that kind of thing.

Fingers crossed for a full recovery and pushing for a place in the team next season.

 

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I know we have all - most of us, anyway - agreed that we are using too many young lads and need some experience to be added ....but I'm wondering if NJ will have the opportunity over the world cup period to check out the young forwards who are doing so well at that level. If we are playing any friendlies around here or even in Florida, it would be good to give them a chance to showcase their ability. I know January is coming and we are likely targeting new signings, but what if we have some rough diamonds in the U21 setup that could save us millions in signing fees and wages.

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19 minutes ago, the saint in winchester said:

I know we have all - most of us, anyway - agreed that we are using too many young lads and need some experience to be added ....but I'm wondering if NJ will have the opportunity over the world cup period to check out the young forwards who are doing so well at that level. If we are playing any friendlies around here or even in Florida, it would be good to give them a chance to showcase their ability. I know January is coming and we are likely targeting new signings, but what if we have some rough diamonds in the U21 setup that could save us millions in signing fees and wages.

We have 5 B Team games scheduled between now and the end of the WC, why not just watch them, especially if we use them to give our first team players a run out.

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34 minutes ago, VectisSaint said:

We have 5 B Team games scheduled between now and the end of the WC, why not just watch them, especially if we use them to give our first team players a run out.

I agree with him. It's obvious that he meant to see how they perform in something like a first team environment. We know how they perform for the B team, hence wanting to see how they get on in first team games when there's less on the line.

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16 hours ago, egg said:

I agree with him. It's obvious that he meant to see how they perform in something like a first team environment. We know how they perform for the B team, hence wanting to see how they get on in first team games when there's less on the line.

But if you play them in with first teamers (lets be clear here we could field our first team while still keeping to the rules) it will give a good idea of how they perform alongside the "established" players. The only down side is the quality of the opposition, we saw that against Boro, and most of the games coming up are PL Cup, which is against even lower quality opposition (e.g. Colchester). 

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On 17/11/2022 at 15:02, SuperSAINT said:

makes perfect sense. if he recovers well, he could turn out to be the best of the bunch, which might be saying something.  

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Just now, egg said:

 

Just noticed Dan Nlundulu to Bolton for the season, and Dynel Simeu to Morecambe. 

 

Good time for Nlundulu to go there, they play Pompey soon.

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3 minutes ago, VectisSaint said:

Jake Vokins back at Southampton, loan at Woking cancelled.

Not surprised. He spent most of his time on their bench. It's hard to see where his career will go now. He looked really promising as a youngster. 

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4 minutes ago, egg said:

Not surprised. He spent most of his time on their bench. It's hard to see where his career will go now. He looked really promising as a youngster. 

Was a weird move anyway. Held his own in the SPL last season, and then was loaned out to non league. Something's not right there.

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Jones just said, when asked about Ely's contract, that "he's been excellent for me and I hope he's at the football club for much longer". 

New contract coming...

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29 minutes ago, Chez said:

Jones just said, when asked about Ely's contract, that "he's been excellent for me and I hope he's at the football club for much longer". 

New contract coming...

He was the best Norwegian on the pitch on Tuesday!

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It was always assumed that Hasenhuttl was a genius at developing young players and getting the best from them although in retrospect there is little evidence of his success at doing so.

Ely always showed glimpses of talent but until recently never got the chance to settle in the team and prove his worth. Now he seems to improve with every game. He was always good off the ball and now his on the ball skills are beginning to have an impact on team performance. 

Although he had only a cameo role in the defeat of Man City, he seemed able to ghost past players in midfield to set up attacks with ease. There is more to this man than meets the eye and it may be that Jonesey (;-) ) might just have the knack of finding the switch that sets this guy free. I am not only not surprised that Ely might be offered a new contract but am personally delighted. 
 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

Interesting because he has been on the bench for first team. I guess Lavia being fit, Alcarez and another potential midfield signing will mean no chance of that again for now.

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