Chez Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Villa won at Anfield, we didn't. Funny old game, but they, villa that is, were as bad a side suffering from a lack of confidence as you will ever see at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Poor performance. Stupid goal to give away. Reasonable point overall. Move on. Beat City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Keeping Corky fresh for Man City....genius Now can we go back to our usual 3 in midfield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 I fancy us to beta one of city or United at home Not sure we will get anything at arsenal, mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Yeah I did, the way they kept reminding everyone how much confidence they'll take from a point against southampton sealed it for me. Disgusting isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broken spoke Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 villa did us and found a way to drag us down to their level, and when we get **** games like this, it's about our ability to be able to polish a turd. I hope we will get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max_saints Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 still a point gained away from home. however, tonight really highlights how much we need to get a decent forward in during jan, jrod will take some time coming back from injury and mayuka was anonymous when he came on. did he even get a touch of the ball?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 I love Ronald. (on asked if we can finish top 4) "Yes of course, but we need to play a lot better than we did tonight" Come on you Saints!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Ended up being a good point. Villa are poor, but they were very committed. Just one of those nights, I'm sure we will improve against City. We certainly won't be finishing top 4 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Is that what we going to face from now on, a home team defending deep / parking the bus and not allowing the forwards any space at all? Thank goodness we have offensive minded players across the pitch. PS What was Forster doing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Stupid goal to give away, I think if we did not give that goal away, we would have won this game. Maybe, but we still had plenty of time to turn it round after that mistake. We just didn't play well enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 It shows how far we've come when we're unhappy with an away draw at Villa. This. Back in the day a point away at Villa would have been seen as a major, major point gained. Should really have won really, just one awful feckup cost us. That was so flat tonight, hopefully a one of and we are right back up for it on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Hope Fraser Forster is called in for a stern interview Dave Watson at the earliest opportunity. Words of advice needed. "Keep up the good work Fraser, still the best goalkeeping record in most of Europe!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Funny old game, but they, villa that is, were as bad a side suffering from a lack of confidence as you will ever see at this level. I think Villa are s**te, a dire side, which makes tonight a bit frustrating. We played into their hands from the start, going full attacking line up. Left no options off the bench and they love soaking up pressure and hitting sides on the break. Our corners and set pieces were very wasteful. Quiet, low key support. Onwards and upwards from here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Gave away a stupid goal, worst we've played in ages, ref was awful, Monday night game away from home, but we've managed to dig out a point. Annoying. We need to move on to the City game now. Any sort of result against them makes up for tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Deserved draw on both parts. Villa deserved the point for the effort they put into keeping us out. Our final ball was dreadful all evening, that needs some serious work. Clyne and Wanyama were the only ones who looked like they gave a ****. I'm starting to think these "amazing" diagonal balls that Morgan plays are only looked at as such because he plays so many of them every game, he's bound to get the odd one right every now and again. Most of them either get headed away with ease or the reciprocant has to really jog back to try and get to it. Also, as the commentator pointed out tonight, because it's in the air so long it gives the opposition a chance to get their shape back. Not too disappointed with a draw but I'm not over the moon either. The bottom line is, if we beat City on Sunday this will be looked at as a brilliant point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr27 Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 (edited) Tonight just goes to show how important the "droppable" Steven Davis is to the entire set-up of the team IMO... However, many of the Saints teams of old would have folded, this one kept going to nab a point. Edited 24 November, 2014 by markr27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chap in the Chapel Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Disjointed in attack and we didn't create enough to win the game. Long worked hard and Morgan moved the ball nicely, though, and a defeat would have been harsh, bearing in mind how bad Villa were going forward. A pub-football goal conceded is annoying and I'm a little concerned at Forster's decision-making when coming off his line, but it was a nice goal to give us a point. Probably a fair result, if I'm honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broken spoke Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 u can't polish a turd.... plain an simple... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 It takes two sides to make a game of football. Villa were at home but were content to park the bus and didn't attempt to come out and take us on. That's going to happen now because some sides will be wary of us. Villa packed men behind the ball and that makes it difficult to create the chances especially away from home. Not a great performance but this side still had enough about them to come up with one moment of class to grab a point. Let's not be too hard on the lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Desperately missed Steven Davis today. Our play seemed far to slow and he is so good at moving the ball quickly. Mane, Tadic and Pelle poor. Fonte and Toby brilliant again. Beat City and this is a point gained Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Codger Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Was that worth getting up at 5am for, I ask myself. At half time I checked to see who was on the bench and I was surprised to see the lack of attacking options available. With things not working for us, it seems Mayuka was all we had to choose from. Great build-up and superb finish from Clyne - the Dubious Goals Panel won't give it as an own goal, will they? I know no Villa player was near it, but the goal reminded me a bit of Mane's goal against Sunderland ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Deserved draw on both parts. Villa deserved the point for the effort they put into keeping us out. Our final ball was dreadful all evening, that needs some serious work. Clyne and Wanyama were the only ones who looked like they gave a ****. I'm starting to think these "amazing" diagonal balls that Morgan plays are only looked at as such because he plays so many of them every game, he's bound to get the odd one right every now and again. Most of them either get headed away with ease or the reciprocant has to really jog back to try and get to it. Also, as the commentator pointed out tonight, because it's in the air so long it gives the opposition a chance to get their shape back. Not too disappointed with a draw but I'm not over the moon either. The bottom line is, if we beat City on Sunday this will be looked at as a brilliant point. The commentator didn't mention anything about the diagonal balls in the first half when he hit 5 or 6 perfectly and they helped us stretch the play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Koeman' poor selection and game plan lost it for us tonight. I can't face listening to his feeble excuses. Why oh why leave Cork on the bench till the 89th minutes? Pelle and Tadic have been found out. Long was found out ages ago Gutted, when we should have won. Calm down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 I love Ronald. (on asked if we can finish top 4) "Yes of course, but we need to play a lot better than we did tonight" Come on you Saints!! I think after tonight we'll go on and beat Man City. We were still much, much better a side than Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Without the stupid goal we would have gone on to win imho - we stayed patient which was positive but need to improve for sure. Some of the wrist slitting on here is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Quite a flat display all round - lacked the urgency that we usually have and no surprise that when we found it for one moment, we scored. Disappointing, but you'll never be at the races every game. Can't fault Koeman for going for it with the change in formation - admire the bravery and desire to go and get an away win - but of course in hindsight, you would probably go with Cork for Davis and that would have been a better option. At the end of the day, made a defensive mistake and conceded - would have almost certainly won the game without that error. Then we'd all be talking about "sign of a good team, winning in a poor performance" etc. Might be the reality check that we need to ensure that we are really at it for City - we do have a good chance in that one and If we do get the win, this one will pretty quickly be forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broken spoke Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Opps, wasn't it this time last year that things started go wrong.... deja vu.?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waylander Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Stupid goal to concede. Villa offered nothing going forward. Poor delivery into the box from our players. But we got a point from a game we would have lost last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 The commentator didn't mention anything about the diagonal balls in the first half when he hit 5 or 6 perfectly and they helped us stretch the play. It wasn't that many. It was 4 or 5 and some of them, his team mate had to really make an effort to get there. This isn't just something I've thought tonight, I've noticed over the lsat 3 or 4 games his diagonal balls aren't quite as good as some people make out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Was dreading coming on here after that game but apart from the usual idiots, it's been a pretty fair reaction. Not a great performance - although it was as one sided a game in terms of possession and territory as I've seen in a long long time, we lacked intensity, pace and fluidity and probably the draw was about right. Take the point, move on. I fancy us to get 6 points from the next three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Tonight just goes to show how important the "droppable" Steven Davis is to the entire set-up of the team IMO... However, many of the Saints teams of old would have folded, this one kept going to nab a point. As I've always said, one of the first names on the team sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goatboy Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 With hindsight I think we should have maintained the structure and shape that has worked so well for us - putting Cork in for Davis and keeping either Long or Mané on the bench. It was almost as though we had too much width today. Mané didn't get much out of (Goatboy's) Hutton but I think the commentators made a good point - sometimes we should leave the wide man to take on the full back in space, rather than close that space up with another overlap. He's a decent enough keeper I'm still not convinced by Forster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 That was a 1-0 win on the balance of play. Forster cost us 2 points there. But I am prepared to overlook one crap performance from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Can anyone understand what Lambert says? I've put subtitles on, muttering mutt-f**k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broken spoke Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Sunderland looked better than this lot at the start of the game.... something spooked them tonight, maybe they had to much time to think about the game. Get them back to games on Saturday.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 I think after tonight we'll go on and beat Man City. We were still much, much better a side than Villa. I do too - in the same way that "worst attack vs best defence" was inevitable, I think us beating City is too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broken spoke Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 that's a recipe for something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 24 November, 2014 Author Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Weyhey, I started a thread without trying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 A point was all we deserved. wrong player in no 10 spot. Hope Davis is fit for City. Half the team looked lethargic and slow tonight. I hate international breaks - all momentum lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkboy Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 I know they've been saying they take one game at a time, but perhaps the City game at the weekend is occupying their thoughts a little too much. They didn't seem tuned in tonight at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 He went for it, but it didn't quite work. Not sure you can have a go at him for going for it. And, tell me oh wise one, what would Cork have provided us when we were chasing the game? Cheers. Think we should have started with Cork in the Davis role if only to give us one of Long or Mane to bring on late in the game. When our only attacking choice from the bench is Mayuka it doesn't give you much chance to make a game changing sub plus Long was crap playing behind Pelle and Tadic didn't seem to suit playing through the middle either. Cork would have been a better starter than Long IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broken spoke Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 (edited) I know they've been saying they take one game at a time, but perhaps the City game at the weekend is occupying their thoughts a little too much. They didn't seem tuned in tonight at all. this i agree with Edited 24 November, 2014 by broken spoke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Koeman's English is a lot clearer than his Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuki Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Koeman got it wrong tonight. We have played with 3 central midfielders all season and then he changed it because Davis was injured. Should have started Cork or Reed and had Long on the bench to come on. Clearly showed he doesn't rate Cork overly highly, and Reed still a long way from contention in the EPL. Also, Tadic frustrates in the non home games, a large differential in his performance levels. Forster still not demonstrated he is worth the money paid for him. Yuki. On another day would have won though. Aston Villa are genuinely terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 I know they've been saying they take one game at a time, but perhaps the City game at the weekend is occupying their thoughts a little too much. They didn't seem tuned in tonight at all. I definitely think Pelle had one eye on City tonight. He was so scared of picking up a yellow that he didn't get in the game at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Weyhey, I started a thread without trying! How? Did you lean on the keyboard by accident, or didn't you think the new topic bit worked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 we looked terrible. Whoever thought the yellow shorts were a good idea? If that is us on a bad night, I'm happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 24 November, 2014 Share Posted 24 November, 2014 Think we should have started with Cork in the Davis role if only to give us one of Long or Mane to bring on late in the game. When our only attacking choice from the bench is Mayuka it doesn't give you much chance to make a game changing sub plus Long was crap playing behind Pelle and Tadic didn't seem to suit playing through the middle either. Cork would have been a better starter than Long IMO. Cork isnt a no.10 though, nor is schneiderlin or Wanyama Maybe he coukd have played Tadic behind Pelle (which pre match is what I thought he would do) but not Cork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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