mcjwills Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 Who has suggested we have a divine right to host these tournaments? WE've held one major tournament in over 40 years. Who do you think should be ahead of us in the queue? Did we not hold Euro96 then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 Did we not hold Euro96 then? Er, that would be the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aziz Yebda Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 RIP FOOTBALL, BEEN NICE KNOWING YOU. TYPICAL AMERICA THINKING THEY ARE WORLD POLICE. JUST DOING THIS TO WIN WORLD CUP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 Uefa calling for the vote to be postponed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 RIP FOOTBALL, BEEN NICE KNOWING YOU. TYPICAL AMERICA THINKING THEY ARE WORLD POLICE. JUST DOING THIS TO WIN WORLD CUP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 Uefa calling for the vote to be postponed To be honest, UEFA has been pathetic in the way it has kowtowed to FIFA. It needs to grow a pair, withdraw from FIFA (if it refuses to change) and set up by itself. If we missed out on a WC or two. so be it. The Euros are a higher standard (generally) and would be a good enough alternative until things were sorted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintZamboni Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintZamboni Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 Bring down Fifa! F*** YEAH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 Sooner electronic arts rebrands its football game & refuses to pay the corruption charges FIFA will be out of the average home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 RIP FOOTBALL, BEEN NICE KNOWING YOU. TYPICAL AMERICA THINKING THEY ARE WORLD POLICE. JUST DOING THIS TO WIN WORLD CUP. there is this little place called pap's world where Im sure you would be most welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 Blatter is either corrupt himself or incompetent to not know what has been happening. He cannot have it both ways. Either way he should withdraw but we all know it won't happen. He is a megalomaniac. Let's us have a poll on that one : Put me down for a) Corrupt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 Let's us have a poll on that one : Put me down for a) Corrupt Can I go for C) all of the above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 RIP FOOTBALL, BEEN NICE KNOWING YOU. TYPICAL AMERICA THINKING THEY ARE WORLD POLICE. JUST DOING THIS TO WIN WORLD CUP. You've always been a tedious cu*t. It was much better when Cabbageface was banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shance Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 What great news to come online too!!! I hope this brings FIFA down once and for all!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 Going into PTS nutjob territory, now would be a good time for all Football fans everywhere to learn the term FCPA. While they may not get all of ExCon (Hmm that has ring to it) on the pure Bribery statutes, FCPA makes it pretty clear that any member of an organisation who does not instantly report a breach of the regulations "may have an issue", a defence of "I knew nothing" is pretty much invalid. Under all the training I had, in fact a Duty of Care exists in "Leadership roles". I can almost see an Al Capone type charge bringing that arrogant self important fool & his Tower of Babel down to earth Taking that as an aside, the interview on Sky News at 10pm with Andrew Jennings elicited a look of totally shock on Adam Boulton's face. I can only imagine the Sky lawyers pooped their pants as Andrew re-iterated a number of allegations that he made on Panorama & Granada and how he had been introduced to the FBI investigative team by an ex member of MI5. He did not ease up so he basically made allegations against everyone in FIFA and said "Come sue me" There are a couple of lovely ironies, 1) a batty old English Journo may have supplied the evidence that started the FBI Journey and 2) the concept of the IRS & FBI guys humming "We're coming for you" throughout their insanely damaging (to FIFA) Presser. The World needs a clean FIFA and fast otherwise Florida Marlin's post in the lounge will become a very clear probability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarniaSaint Posted 27 May, 2015 Share Posted 27 May, 2015 Is this the end of FIFA as we know it ???.............won't happen unless UEFA withdraws from FIFA and has the balls to do it.........and if South America followed....... God Bless the USA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 Fifa are, bears do and the pope is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highfield Saint Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 The (football) world has known of this for years and so have their governments including the EU so why has it been necessary for the US to take a stance on this rather than one of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 The (football) world has known of this for years and so have their governments including the EU so why has it been necessary for the US to take a stance on this rather than one of them? I guess for two reasons. 1. because the corruption is (hopefully) mostly not in UEFA but in the African. American and Asian Federations 2. Because the Swiss have built their economy on keeping other people's dirty secrets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 I guess for two reasons. 1. because the corruption is (hopefully) mostly not in UEFA but in the African. American and Asian Federations 2. Because the Swiss have built their economy on keeping other people's dirty secrets. Apparently the US feel that whenever fraud is committed using the US dollar as currency it gives them a mandate to seek prosecution, and thank god it does. Well done America. Id be quite happy for England to withdraw from FIFA competitions until this has been dealt with, as I think all of the European marquee teams should. France, Germany, Spain, Nederlands etc... wouldn't be much of a world cup to market without these. To be honest I think FIFA itself should be dismantled and replaced with a properly regulated governing body. Will never happen though, just like the Olympics, it has become an engine for selling prestige to the highest bidder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 When a ship runs aground it's not the helmsman who is charged with negligence but the Captain.Blatter can't hide from this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 I think the FA and others should leave FIFA, set up a new Federation (World Football Federation?) and develop a new World Cup (Football World Championships). **** FIFA and all their cronies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 https://secure.avaaz.org/en/clean_up_football_uk/?tmHKQab Not sure it will do any good, but I signed. Moving quickly as well..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 Good find! 500 in the last 3 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 Signed. Went up 400 I'm doing so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 Interesting that an hour ago it was around 85,000 and most signatories were from the UK. Now its 135,000 and most are overseas, especially Brazil. Its going viral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 It's clear to see what the world thinks of Fifa and blatter alone. It's quite clearly corrupt with the way he's stayed in power for so long, just hope they finally get the dirt on him which is obviously there somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 Signed. Went up 400 I'm doing so Jesus, it went up 5k in the time it took me to sign on a mobile! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 It's OK. Batter just said he will turn it around and that he was unable to keep an eye on everyone that works/worked with him. Phew!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 It's OK. Batter just said he will turn it around and that he was unable to keep an eye on everyone that works/worked with him. Phew!!! I thought that rather amusing. OK, it's true he can't keep an eye on everyone, but we are talking about head of federations and vice presidents here. So if he can't keep an eye on them, then who (apart from himself) does he keep an eye on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 I thought that rather amusing. OK, it's true he can't keep an eye on everyone, but we are talking about head of federations and vice presidents here. So if he can't keep an eye on them, then who (apart from himself) does he keep an eye on? Women football teams, probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 (edited) All well and good for platini to have stomach pains over FIFA. Yet he voted for Qatar and all that. Basically, UEFA should pull out (if they had the minerals) as that will be that. FIFA and world cups would be pointless and not viable for sponsors if the Europeans were not playing Edited 28 May, 2015 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 Will post what I posted on the other forum here... Had the 'joy' of meeting Sepp Blatter a year or so ago. Every inch the politician and paraded himself as if he was a world leader. I asked him about Qatari workers rights and he was exceptionally dismissive, effectively saying there was no proof. On the issue of voting for the 2018/2022 world cup, he said that the corrupt individuals had been kicked off the executive. I asked him if this was the case, given that they were corrupt at the time of the vote, shouldn't there be a revote? He just tried to push that the issue is pretty much now closed and that they can move on. I also asked him, even if he is clean from the corruption, the fact that so much has been found under his watch, shouldn't he take some responsibility for that. Again, just flapped aside as if somehow he is in some bubble of purity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 All well and good for platini to have stomach pains over FIFA. Yet he voted for Qatar and all that. Basically, UEFA should pull out (if they had the minerals) as that will be that. FIFA and world cups would be pointless and not viable for sponsors if the Europeans were not playing Greg Dyke (Chair of FA) is saying the vote should go ahead. Not sure why he would say that unless: 1. He thinks they have enough numbers to get Blatter out 2. He thinks by Blatter staying it will explode the organisation and making rebuilding from the ground up easier. 3. He is a useless tactician Lets hope its 1 or 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 Thanks for the plug, Phil. I should have posted this on this 'ere thread, instead of on the 'Fifa about to implode' thread in The Lounge. All I will say, is be careful what you wish for. It's an awful comparison to make and I expect to take some stick, but as we have seen in the Middle East, when you create a power vacuum, something will fill it. "Meanwhile, up in the penthouse of News Corp towers in New York, Rupert Murdoch is doing his best Monty Burns impression, rubbing his hands together and breathing; "Excellent." Fifa might be as hooky as hell, but football needs a global governing body. Without one, football will descend into anarchy. With no global governance the game will fragment, and the likes of Murdoch will cherry-pick the best bits for their own ends. I've blathered on before that Murdoch would love to do a Kerry Packer and set up a rival circus in association with top clubs who hate the fact that Fifa rules dictate they must release player for international duty to play in Fifa sanctioned competitions like the World Cup and Confederation championships. Up until now, clubs have always fought shy, but if Fifa fragments, there will be nothing to stop the game's biggest clubs sticking two fingers up and going off to form their own TV-backed European/World league. All it requires are the four top clubs from England, Germany, Spain and Italy, a few other big clubs from France, Holland, Portugal, a couple from Russia (now that they have money), mix in some Asian clubs, a few from the Americas (north and south), and Australasia and you've got a world league to rival the World Cup. Actually, it won't rival the World Cup, because without Fifa's controlling hand, the clubs won't have to release their players for that, and can retain them to play in the World League, or whatever you care to call it. The World Cup as we know it will cease to exist. I did speculate the 2022 tournament in Qatar might be the straw the breaks the clubs' backs, and could be the last World Cup as we know it. I might amend that forecast. If Fifa implodes as a result of this, we might have already seen our last World Cup. Think this is too far-fetched? I bet even now feelers are being put out among the G20, or how many clubs are in the elite group these days. And it's certainly a scenario that was war-gamed among the BBC corridors of power several years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 There's also a petition demanding he is sacked as president on Change.org. The clamour for his departure is becoming deafening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 There is an easy way to oust Blatter. His power base are the areas mentioned in the US Indictment, Africa, Asia & The Americas. They support him because "Blatter has developed football in those regions". The FA's all do very nicely out of their tournaments, Asia Cup, African Nations, Copa Americas etc. European Clubs are "not keen" on releasing their players for thos long tournaments and Internationals with Long Haul travel UEFA need to withdraw from FIFA, then the European Leagues can refuse to release players for those events, which would be greatly devalued and the FA's of those Regions would see their income streams fall. A tactician could achieve that effect by simply WARNING those regions of the implications. #stopthegravytrain Blatter created it and that is why he gets the support. Hurt it but give them a way out. Yes of course it is Blackmail, but when i that a surprise in World Football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 Interesting piece on how Blatter has developed football. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/may/28/sepp-blatter-fifa-africa-zambia Particularly like the shot of the $800k building's kitchen, that would be USD I presume!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 There is an easy way to oust Blatter. His power base are the areas mentioned in the US Indictment, Africa, Asia & The Americas. They support him because "Blatter has developed football in those regions". The FA's all do very nicely out of their tournaments, Asia Cup, African Nations, Copa Americas etc. European Clubs are "not keen" on releasing their players for thos long tournaments and Internationals withLong Haul travel UEFA need to withdraw from FIFA, then the European Leagues can refuse to release players for those events, which would be greatly devalued and the FA's of those Regions would see their income streams fall. A tactician could achieve that effect by simply WARNING those regions of the implications. #stopthegravytrain Blatter created it and that is why he gets the support. Hurt it but give them a way out. Yes of course it is Blackmail, but when i that a surprise in World Football Except, of course, when it suits them. Those same big clubs who complain about the travel their players have to undertake for international duty are the first to jet off on lucrative tours to far-flung places to raise their profile. If anything brings Blatter down and spells the end of Fifa as we know it, it will be the clubs. Clubs are gaining more confidence in the power the hold with their control of players. For some time now the England manager has had to kow-tow (or work with, as some might say) to clubs' demands to restrict the use of their players in friendlies and we all know that players are pulled out of international duty on the flimsiest of pretexts. The clubs will need little encouragement to play an even tougher brand of hardball if they sense they can wrest control of the game and it could be they take advantage of which ever way the vote goes tomorrow. Should Prince Ali win, they could sniff fresh blood and test out the new boy, if Blatter wins, they can throw up their hands in mock disgust and despair at how the game is being run and convince a disillusioned public that they are going off and doing their own thing for the good of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 https://secure.avaaz.org/en/clean_up_football_uk/?tmHKQab Not sure it will do any good, but I signed. Moving quickly as well..... 465000 signatures now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SO16_Saint Posted 28 May, 2015 Share Posted 28 May, 2015 Tomorrow Corriere dello Sport reports that Fifa did match-fixing at World Cup 2002 through referees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JxgrSaint Posted 29 May, 2015 Share Posted 29 May, 2015 (edited) Thanks for the plug, Phil. I should have posted this on this 'ere thread, instead of on the 'Fifa about to implode' thread in The Lounge. All I will say, is be careful what you wish for. It's an awful comparison to make and I expect to take some stick, but as we have seen in the Middle East, when you create a power vacuum, something will fill it. "Meanwhile, up in the penthouse of News Corp towers in New York, Rupert Murdoch is doing his best Monty Burns impression, rubbing his hands together and breathing; "Excellent." Fifa might be as hooky as hell, but football needs a global governing body. Without one, football will descend into anarchy. With no global governance the game will fragment, and the likes of Murdoch will cherry-pick the best bits for their own ends. I've blathered on before that Murdoch would love to do a Kerry Packer and set up a rival circus in association with top clubs who hate the fact that Fifa rules dictate they must release player for international duty to play in Fifa sanctioned competitions like the World Cup and Confederation championships. Up until now, clubs have always fought shy, but if Fifa fragments, there will be nothing to stop the game's biggest clubs sticking two fingers up and going off to form their own TV-backed European/World league. All it requires are the four top clubs from England, Germany, Spain and Italy, a few other big clubs from France, Holland, Portugal, a couple from Russia (now that they have money), mix in some Asian clubs, a few from the Americas (north and south), and Australasia and you've got a world league to rival the World Cup. Actually, it won't rival the World Cup, because without Fifa's controlling hand, the clubs won't have to release their players for that, and can retain them to play in the World League, or whatever you care to call it. The World Cup as we know it will cease to exist. I did speculate the 2022 tournament in Qatar might be the straw the breaks the clubs' backs, and could be the last World Cup as we know it. I might amend that forecast. If Fifa implodes as a result of this, we might have already seen our last World Cup. Think this is too far-fetched? I bet even now feelers are being put out among the G20, or how many clubs are in the elite group these days. And it's certainly a scenario that was war-gamed among the BBC corridors of power several years ago. To be fair I highly doubt that ISIS could do a worse job than Blatter et al... Edited 29 May, 2015 by JxgrSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 29 May, 2015 Share Posted 29 May, 2015 Tomorrow Corriere dello Sport reports that Fifa did match-fixing at World Cup 2002 through referees Anything anyone can recall from that world cup that seemed dodgy? I was only about 13 at the time so can only really remember how wierd ronaldinhios goal against seaman was for us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 29 May, 2015 Share Posted 29 May, 2015 South Korea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 29 May, 2015 Share Posted 29 May, 2015 Anything anyone can recall from that world cup that seemed dodgy? I was only about 13 at the time so can only really remember how wierd ronaldinhios goal against seaman was for us! suggesting that the South Korean knock out games were dodgy. This on reddit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 29 May, 2015 Share Posted 29 May, 2015 (edited) Anything anyone can recall from that world cup that seemed dodgy? I was only about 13 at the time so can only really remember how wierd ronaldinhios goal against seaman was for us! Dodgy as fork, one of the home nations (S.Korea) managed to make the semis even though their team played like a girls U11 tyro league side, usual final of course, Brazil-Germany. Spain beat S Korea at least 2-O, but they didn't because 2 perfectly good goals were disallowed and the Koreans won on penalties at the end. Edited 29 May, 2015 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 29 May, 2015 Share Posted 29 May, 2015 What a mess this is. If the match-fixing stuff is true, there's no way back for Fifa? Time to break ranks and do our own thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shance Posted 29 May, 2015 Share Posted 29 May, 2015 Tomorrow Corriere dello Sport reports that Fifa did match-fixing at World Cup 2002 through referees Jesus. This is getting bigger by the minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 29 May, 2015 Share Posted 29 May, 2015 What a mess this is. If the match-fixing stuff is true, there's no way back for Fifa? Time to break ranks and do our own thing. Except that there is reason to believe matching fixing is more wide spread that just this and England is not immune. In fact, your libel laws make it somewhat difficult to properly police the game. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2746254/SCANDAL-OF-MATCH-FIXING-REVEALED-The-FA-s-secret-list-suspects-playing-England.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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