Saint-Armstrong Posted 15 July, 2015 Author Share Posted 15 July, 2015 THEY'RE ALIVE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Cheers. Can you see any potentially last minute show-stopping stumbling blocks (on the 'players terms' side of things) or are we now firmly in rubber-stamping territory? Thanks. Clasie earns 700K in british pounds before taxes (52% in Holland) at Feyenoord so no, there won't be any stumbling blocks... Clasie really wants to play for Southampton, money is secundary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilf Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Quality article on Clasie and Koeman: http://www.benefoot.net/clasie-and-koeman-united-in-red-and-white-again/? Thanks, that's a great read! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/11741299/Southampton-agree-7m-deal-for-Jordy-Clasie.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Crook will be on it soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 £7M now? It's getting lower and lower, they'll be paying us to take him soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 £7m? £8m? £10m? Should've just kept Jack Cork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 £10m? Should've just kept Jack Cork. Why? He's not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Why? He's not good enough. And you're certain that Clasie is??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Coat Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 (edited) Les Reed does the contract handling so probably doesn't mean anything Re Koeman contract situation and if Clasie signs for 5 years Edited 15 July, 2015 by Mouldy Coat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 And you're certain that Clasie is??? No, but I'm looking forward to him playing and seeing for myself. I suspect he will be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobraBLACK Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 And you're certain that Clasie is??? No, but I'm looking forward to him playing and seeing for myself. I suspect he will be better. Watching that video Koeman Jr. tweeted, he looks very good; a genuine box-to-box midfielder that gets involved with the attacks as well as the defence. Some intelligent, guileful passing and the assist for van Persie's sweet goal at the beginning was real nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 (edited) £7M now? It's getting lower and lower, they'll be paying us to take him soon! Don't believe it Saint Ash, the Dutch De Telegraaf is well connected to Feyenoord as they are mediapartner and are the only one getting information from the board of Feyenoord. Edited 15 July, 2015 by van Hanegem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 And you're certain that Clasie is??? Can we assume your dutch uncle's brothers mate has told you he's crap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 £7m? £8m? £10m? Should've just kept Jack Cork. Apart from the fact that Cork turned down a new contract with us and decided to move to Swansea. And perhaps Clasie is a better player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Don't believe it Saint Ash, the Dutch De Telegraaf is well connected to Feyenoord as they are mediapartner and are the only one getting information from the board of Feyenoord. [ATTACH=CONFIG]1749[/ATTACH] 15m Euro so just over £10M. Bit harsh to call him a double slag though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/15/southampton-jordy-clasie-feyenoord-morgan-schneiderlin?CMP=share_btn_tw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Can we assume your dutch uncle's brothers mate has told you he's crap? No. I'm just amazed at the number of experts we have on here, most of whom have probably never seen Clasie kick a ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Watching that video Koeman Jr. tweeted, he looks very good; a genuine box-to-box midfielder that gets involved with the attacks as well as the defence. Some intelligent, guileful passing and the assist for van Persie's sweet goal at the beginning was real nice. At least some people on here are capable of making a comment that isn't sarcastic or insulting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 15m Euro so just over £10M. Bit harsh to call him a double slag though! Sorry, can't find the right translation of "dubbelslag" in this matter but they mean that Feyenoord gets a lot of money for Clasie and at the same time they get a great Swedish talent for only 10% of the fee they get for Clasie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 At least some people on here are capable of making a comment that isn't sarcastic or insulting. Except that Clasie isn't a box-to-box midfielder at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Clasie earns 700K in british pounds before taxes (52% in Holland) at Feyenoord so no, there won't be any stumbling blocks... Clasie really wants to play for Southampton, money is secundary. Ouch!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 No. I'm just amazed at the number of experts we have on here, most of whom have probably never seen Clasie kick a ball. Just checking, makes a change. Have you seen him play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Except that Clasie isn't a box-to-box midfielder at all. I wouldn't have described him as box-to-box but at least his post was positive and upbeat. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K,Billy's supersound Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Thanks K Billy. Any progress on other incomings? Not alot. Think things might move once Celtic know their Champions League qualifying position. Like the Forster transfer last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Ouch!!! Yup, somebody has to pay for Greece... But 52% is the highest tax bracket and starts for all income above 40K in pounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beavis17 Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Not alot. Think things might move once Celtic know their Champions League qualifying position. Like the Forster transfer last year. Van Dijk the top target then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Except that Clasie isn't a box-to-box midfielder at all. Could he play further forward, perhaps at the tip of the diamond? He's not going to get goals or be box to box; but surely he could dictate play further up the pitch with his vision and composure on the ball. There are cases of DMs -Iniesta started as one- who have moved further forward over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Not alot. Think things might move once Celtic know their Champions League qualifying position. Like the Forster transfer last year. Quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 And you're certain that Clasie is??? Someone isn't over his man crush yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Ouch!!! And if you earn £700k in Britain? Not far off that if you include employer's NI, over 48.5%. (I don't know what the employer's contributions are over there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Not alot. Think things might move once Celtic know their Champions League qualifying position. Like the Forster transfer last year. So, we're all Stjarnan fans this evening then? Koma á þig blús ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 £7m? £8m? £10m? Should've just kept Jack Cork. How do we keep a player who isn't ours to keep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 How do we keep a player who isn't ours to keep. By offering him a new deal well before he has less than 6 months to run on his current one. Or in other words, giving ourselves a chance of keeping him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 15 July, 2015 Author Share Posted 15 July, 2015 By offering him a new deal well before he has less than 6 months to run on his current one. Or in other words' date=' giving ourselves a chance of keeping him.[/quote'] We did offer him a new deal. I'm pretty sure Koeman said he spoke to Cork and Jack said he needed to go elsewhere to play regular football, so wasn't willing to sign a new deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 (edited) We did offer him a new deal. I'm pretty sure Koeman said he spoke to Cork and Jack said he needed to go elsewhere to play regular football, so wasn't willing to sign a new deal. As far as I am aware we spent the first 6 months deliberating whether or not to offer him a new deal and then the new deal was offered in January when Koeman said he wanted to keep him and by then Cork said he didn't feel 'wanted' by Saints and said he wasn't signing it. My point is that Cork should have been offered a new deal well before he had jut 6 months left on his existing one. EDIT: Edited for spelling. Edited 15 July, 2015 by Lallana's Left Peg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 As far as I am aware we spent the first 6 months deliberately whether or not to offer him a new deal and then the new deal was offered in January when Koeman said he wanted to keep him and by then Cork said he didn't feel 'wanted' by Saints and said he wasn't signing it. My point is that Cork should have been offered a new deal well before he had jut 6 months left on his existing one. No, shut up. Everything the club does is perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 (edited) Not alot. Think things might move once Celtic know their Champions League qualifying position. Like the Forster transfer last year. So we might not see any movement for a week+ ? Or would a big Celtic win tonight change things? I appreciate how it important Champions League qualification is for them, but they really should be beating such opposition even without key players. Edited 15 July, 2015 by Sour Mash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 No, shut up. Everything the club does is perfect. The club has done very little wrong since Cortese left but there have been a few decisions that have been wrong (benefit of hindsight and all that) - allowing Cork to get away was one of them. He wanted to sign a new deal last summer and said words to that effect. And why not - he had just 12 months left. Not giving him a new deal because Koeman wanted to assess him is strange, because we didn't wait for Koeman's say when we negotiated a number of other contracts. Either way, it was disappointing to lose Cork - we made it an easy decision for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Could he play further forward, perhaps at the tip of the diamond? He's not going to get goals or be box to box; but surely he could dictate play further up the pitch with his vision and composure on the ball. There are cases of DMs -Iniesta started as one- who have moved further forward over time. That's how I can see him used at times. Breaking up play high up the pitch, linking play, threading through balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 "Give everyone five year contracts" is this years "why don't we do our transfer business early". Simple solutions for a simple world. I'd be furious if Cuco Martina had a 5 year deal based on what I've seen so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Connor Armstrong @ConnorArmstrong 20m20 minutes ago Made a bid on Monday Did a transfer deal on Tuesday Clasie having medicals on Wednesday and on Thursday, & Friday, & Saturday... brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 I'd be furious if Cuco Martina had a 5 year deal based on what I've seen so far. I guess the way forward would be 2 year contracts with the club having an option to increase it to 5 years. Not sure if players (or their agents) would go for it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Assuming Clasie signs today how soon will we see him playing for Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 15 July, 2015 Author Share Posted 15 July, 2015 It's apparently a five-year deal for Clasie, and he's in London having a medical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 The club has done very little wrong since Cortese left but there have been a few decisions that have been wrong (benefit of hindsight and all that) - allowing Cork to get away was one of them. He wanted to sign a new deal last summer and said words to that effect. And why not - he had just 12 months left. Not giving him a new deal because Koeman wanted to assess him is strange' date=' because we didn't wait for Koeman's say when we negotiated a number of other contracts. Either way, it was disappointing to lose Cork - we made it an easy decision for him.[/quote'] I was told by someone high up ...and would know that we couldn't renegotiate until we did due to clauses and things in old contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 It's apparently a five-year deal for Clasie, and he's in London having a medical. I sincerely hope this is not at Spurs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 15 July, 2015 Author Share Posted 15 July, 2015 I sincerely hope this is not at Spurs... No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van Hanegem Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Could he play further forward, perhaps at the tip of the diamond? He's not going to get goals or be box to box; but surely he could dictate play further up the pitch with his vision and composure on the ball. There are cases of DMs -Iniesta started as one- who have moved further forward over time. Good question, maybe he can in the future but I guess it depends on the way the team plays. There aren't many teams that can play a position game like Barcelona or Ajax on a good day and that would be necessary for Clasie. Imagine Xavi or Iniesta at West Ham for example, they wouldn't be able to play like they're used to at Barca and therefore wouldn't make much of an impression. Clasie is certainly no Xavi or Iniesta but like them he's very dependent on the abilities of his teammates. For now I'm certain Koeman will use his strengths, especially his vision and passing ability must add something to the Saints and therefore he needs to stay more at the back to have a wide view of the possibilities ahead of him. He will come to the opponents box a few times each game (when the Saints are capable to keep the opponent under pressure) but I suspect his handling speed is not good enough yet to make an impression in the PL when it comes to playing in the opponents box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 15 July, 2015 Share Posted 15 July, 2015 Assuming Clasie signs today how soon will we see him playing for Saints? Not too sure but I can guarantee there will be people saying he's crap and just like Harrison Reed as soon as that game is over [emoji23][emoji23][emoji24] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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