Dig Dig Posted 9 May, 2016 Share Posted 9 May, 2016 Well Arsenal might want a player who (generally) struggles with pass completion to play in their team that has LOTS of possession, solely for the bits of the game he's really good at (tackling, intercepting, giving away silly fouls, getting sent off, etc), but I personally find it quite unlikely. He's a very good player (mostly) for a team at our level, particularly against the better teams when we don't have as much possession, but I genuinely don't see him flourishing at the highest level. I think that you're exaggerating his lack of passing ability and forming an opinion about his level because you don't like him. Fair enough. We won't have long to wait to see where he ends up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 9 May, 2016 Share Posted 9 May, 2016 Arsenal need him, they are frail defensively, he would give them strength and spine. But I hope they don't get him, we need him even more. Supporters have under-estimated his value, I haven't seen anyone I would prefer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 9 May, 2016 Share Posted 9 May, 2016 This thread is rubbish, can we wait until a player actually leaves to start these? So we can say he was a loss instead of he will be a loss to the team if he leaves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickendippers Posted 9 May, 2016 Share Posted 9 May, 2016 Toure tought him a lesson 18 months ago. He wont start ahead of Dembele who is a much better all round player - we could offer a player swap if Spurs really want him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 9 May, 2016 Author Share Posted 9 May, 2016 Arsenal need him, they are frail defensively, he would give them strength and spine. But I hope they don't get him, we need him even more. Supporters have under-estimated his value, I haven't seen anyone I would prefer Stoke just spent £19m on an inferior, less proven player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 9 May, 2016 Share Posted 9 May, 2016 I think that you're exaggerating his lack of passing ability and forming an opinion about his level because you don't like him. Fair enough. We won't have long to wait to see where he ends up. Personally, I hope we keep all our best players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 9 May, 2016 Share Posted 9 May, 2016 Personally, I hope we keep all our best players. I'm not bothered because we'll probably get someone better anyway and finish around 8th next season which would be magnificent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 9 May, 2016 Share Posted 9 May, 2016 I'm not bothered because we'll probably get someone better anyway and finish around 8th next season which would be magnificent. The media will make sure we don't finish any higher, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-scooby Posted 9 May, 2016 Share Posted 9 May, 2016 I love lamp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 9 May, 2016 Share Posted 9 May, 2016 The media will make sure we don't finish any higher, that's for sure. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 9 May, 2016 Share Posted 9 May, 2016 I think he will be a huge loss and think he can go to title chasing team. Think this thread is typical Charlie tho so depressing. Wait til it happens. For those who say he's easy to replace tho wake up. Clasie and Romeo worse than Morgan Martina and cedric loads worse than Clyne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 9 May, 2016 Author Share Posted 9 May, 2016 I think he will be a huge loss and think he can go to title chasing team. Think this thread is typical Charlie tho so depressing. Wait til it happens. For those who say he's easy to replace tho wake up. Clasie and Romeo worse than Morgan Martina and cedric loads worse than Clyne. Your comment is far more depressing than any of mine on this thread. Mine is actually pretty positive saying he has done really well for us. Play the post not the poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 9 May, 2016 Share Posted 9 May, 2016 Your comment is far more depressing than any of mine on this thread. Mine is actually pretty positive saying he has done really well for us. Play the post not the poster. But bet you agree with everything I've said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 9 May, 2016 Share Posted 9 May, 2016 Your comment is far more depressing than any of mine on this thread. Mine is actually pretty positive saying he has done really well for us. Play the post not the poster. But bet you agree with everything I've said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 9 May, 2016 Share Posted 9 May, 2016 No great loss, just hope we're shot of him quickly if we qualify for Europa. He was a bloody disgrace last year and I still haven't forgiven him for the dummy spitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 10 May, 2016 Share Posted 10 May, 2016 No great loss, just hope we're shot of him quickly if we qualify for Europa. He was a bloody disgrace last year and I still haven't forgiven him for the dummy spitting. Indeed, Leicester shown how far team spirit can propel you. I have been often v impressed with Romeu and optimistic he will get even better for us. Would like Wanyama to stay but attitude can be v poor. Also remember his little strop when on bench away to Swansea when he came in and scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 10 May, 2016 Share Posted 10 May, 2016 I think he will be a huge loss and think he can go to title chasing team. Think this thread is typical Charlie tho so depressing. Wait til it happens. For those who say he's easy to replace tho wake up. Clasie and Romeo worse than Morgan Martina and cedric loads worse than Clyne. You could wake up and watch some of his performances this season. Been better of late and fans have short memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 10 May, 2016 Share Posted 10 May, 2016 No great loss, horrendous performances and terrible attitude but is one of the first names on the teamsheets for Koeman week in week out Romeu is no replacement for Wanyama, not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 10 May, 2016 Share Posted 10 May, 2016 No great loss, horrendous performances and terrible attitude but is one of the first names on the teamsheets for Koeman week in week out Romeu is no replacement for Wanyama, not even close. Teamsheets come out announcing all 11 players. How do you know who is first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 10 May, 2016 Share Posted 10 May, 2016 Teamsheets come out announcing all 11 players. How do you know who is first? Come on, that's poor. If he's available, he plays and nearly always for the full 90. He's in the same category as Forster, Bertrand, Fonte and VVD. Never dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 10 May, 2016 Share Posted 10 May, 2016 Wanyama certainly is "a presence " in midfield, but he isn't irreplaceable. Playing well every game isn't the same as putting your name on a 4 year contract If he wants to go ..it's best he does so now.. whilst we can get a bit of money back to help with buying in a new name. With Saints planning long term (e.g. VvD 6 year contract,) we'd be better off letting Victor go now, than trying to find a replacement next summer. We need stability and not having to change out players every season. Fonte is still looking good, but he may not last as long as John Terry has. There are people on here who are still complaining about losing Alderweireld (who wasn't ours anyway), so we ought to go out and find the " next Wanyama ". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 10 May, 2016 Share Posted 10 May, 2016 Make him run down the last year imo ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 10 May, 2016 Share Posted 10 May, 2016 Clasie and Romeo worse than Morgan Martina and cedric loads worse than Clyne. Yet it looks like we'll be finishing in a better position than we did last season , with worse players !? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 10 May, 2016 Share Posted 10 May, 2016 So we can say he was a loss instead of he will be a loss to the team if he leaves? This is all I want in life yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waylander Posted 11 May, 2016 Share Posted 11 May, 2016 Arsenal are reported to being close to signing Granit Xhaka. Doesn't he do much the same role as Big Vic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 11 May, 2016 Share Posted 11 May, 2016 Arsenal are reported to being close to signing Granit Xhaka. Doesn't he do much the same role as Big Vic? Yeah - if he goes there, Wanyama won't....wouldn't surprise to see him at Spurs though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 11 May, 2016 Share Posted 11 May, 2016 Yet it looks like we'll be finishing in a better position than we did last season , with worse players !? Maybe we have stronger squad? I'm surprised there isn't a thread somewhere discussing just that question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 11 May, 2016 Share Posted 11 May, 2016 There is no doubt that Wanyama has been playing much better recently. At that level he is a loss, no doubt. I genuinely don't see how we keep him. He has a year left on his contract. Even if he was our best paid player he could get more elsewhere & he has already shown a desire to leave. I don't think he is easy to replace on his current form, but his early & mid season (Arsenal aside) I think Romeu can do a job. It may also be worth showing him last nights game where Morgan was subbed at half time & looks nowhere near the player he was. There isn't any loyalty in football so wont expect any from Wanyama & IMHO he will leave in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris27687 Posted 11 May, 2016 Share Posted 11 May, 2016 It will be interesting so see what it costs for a similar replacement - if suddenly every player is going for £20+ million because of the new prem sponsorship deal, keeping him and losing the £10m might not be that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 11 May, 2016 Author Share Posted 11 May, 2016 It will be interesting so see what it costs for a similar replacement - if suddenly every player is going for £20+ million because of the new prem sponsorship deal, keeping him and losing the £10m might not be that bad. Imbula was £19m for Stoke and I don't think is a better or more proven player than Wanyama. Romeu and Clasie were cheaper though (although not VW's level) and Kante was of course only £5m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 11 May, 2016 Share Posted 11 May, 2016 Big fan of Vic, but won't cry if he or anyone else leaves. Nobody is irreplaceable and Leicester just won the title without Vic in their team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 11 May, 2016 Share Posted 11 May, 2016 There is no doubt that Wanyama has been playing much better recently. At that level he is a loss, no doubt. I genuinely don't see how we keep him. He has a year left on his contract. Even if he was our best paid player he could get more elsewhere & he has already shown a desire to leave. I don't think he is easy to replace on his current form, but his early & mid season (Arsenal aside) I think Romeu can do a job. It may also be worth showing him last nights game where Morgan was subbed at half time & looks nowhere near the player he was. There isn't any loyalty in football so wont expect any from Wanyama & IMHO he will leave in the summer. You've really got to feel for Morgan. Stayed with us for ages and earned his transfer to one of the biggest clubs in the world and, as you say, looks nowhere near the player he was for us. Wouldn't be surprised if Morgan is used as a make-weight in a transfer deal this summer, especially if LVG stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 11 May, 2016 Share Posted 11 May, 2016 You've really got to feel for Morgan. Stayed with us for ages and earned his transfer to one of the biggest clubs in the world and, as you say, looks nowhere near the player he was for us. Wouldn't be surprised if Morgan is used as a make-weight in a transfer deal this summer, especially if LVG stays. Talk of him going to Spurs is obviously dependent on The Pox still being there. IF he goes to Man U, a pairing of Morgan and Big Vic could be on the cards and reignite Morgan's career!! Or even better Van Fail stays at Man U, we keep Vic and bring Morgan back on a cheeky loan!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 11 May, 2016 Share Posted 11 May, 2016 Think that we will be seeing Big Vic in a Saints shirt next season. Assuming that my informed source is correct. Think Mane will go. Just hope that we can keep Forster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 11 May, 2016 Share Posted 11 May, 2016 Think that we will be seeing Big Vic in a Saints shirt next season. Assuming that my informed source is correct. Think Mane will go. Just hope that we can keep Forster Guan vs kwsaint... Hmmm. I really really hope you are right though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoPints Posted 11 May, 2016 Share Posted 11 May, 2016 Think that we will be seeing Big Vic in a Saints shirt next season. Assuming that my informed source is correct. Think Mane will go. Just hope that we can keep Forster Watching the player awards. Virgil and Victor seem to get on well so maybe Virgil signing a new deal might encourage Vic to sign too? (grabs some straws to clutch) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 12 May, 2016 Share Posted 12 May, 2016 (edited) Just watched a video on the Saints twitter feed interviewing the players on an "alternative award - who is the toughest player at Saints?" Romeu gets voted pretty consistently across the board, with comments about how much he enjoys getting stuck in. Was surprised Wanyama wasn't the consensus. Edited 12 May, 2016 by mrfahaji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 12 May, 2016 Share Posted 12 May, 2016 Just watched a video on the Saints twitter feed interviewing the players on an "alternative award - who is the toughest player at Saints?" Romeu gets voted pretty consistently across the board, with comments about how much he enjoys getting stuck in. Was surprised Wanyama was the consensus. Not JWP then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 12 May, 2016 Share Posted 12 May, 2016 Hardly a step up though is it? I would hope that he would only go for CL football. Today it is, if points are considered. Mind, it hopefully will be different come Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 12 May, 2016 Share Posted 12 May, 2016 Watching the player awards. Virgil and Victor seem to get on well so maybe Virgil signing a new deal might encourage Vic to sign too? (grabs some straws to clutch) I think Wanyamas disciplinary record will put off any of the really big boys and the money Prem clubs get now will mean many bigger clubs in Europe just won't be able to compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 12 May, 2016 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2016 I think Wanyamas disciplinary record will put off any of the really big boys and the money Prem clubs get now will mean many bigger clubs in Europe just won't be able to compete. Was this season maybe a one off? In his other two seasons with us he had no red cards and at Celtic he had two in two seasons which is hardly a problem for a physical central midfielder. Two of his three reds for us were second yellows and the one straight red was widely acknowledged here to be harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 12 May, 2016 Share Posted 12 May, 2016 Not the same sort of players, granted, but Newcastle might be vulnerable to a raid by us for Wilnajdrum right now. Fits with the orange and whites over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice2Eskimos Posted 12 May, 2016 Share Posted 12 May, 2016 I think it's worth stating that Wanyama HASN'T ACTUALLY LEFT YET..... But I do agree it's highly likely he will be. To where I have no F*king idea..but I don't think it will spurs. Apparently they're lining up £20M for Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 12 May, 2016 Share Posted 12 May, 2016 I think he's the most likely to go, think we will get another year out of Mane. Our recruitment record is generally decent and I expect we have been watching potential replacements. I also think whilst Wanyama is good, probably Van Dijk, Forster, Bertrand and Mane are more key players than him. I also don't think he's as good as he thinks he is. Especially when we have Romeu, who is good enough IMO to replace Wanyama if we improved in quality in a few other areas. Would be lovely though if we could finish above Man Utd and Liverpool, which would be above the majority of our players who have left. Would be quite a 'grass isn't always greener' moment, not that someone like Wanyama would notice it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 12 May, 2016 Share Posted 12 May, 2016 Make him run down the last year imo ! quite agree hes already doing alright thank you very much on what we pay him now.............when will agents realise a contract should be binding and not held as a gun to the head of the club to hopefully pay the ransom,we dont need the money because of the financial windfall we have now so if hes not going to sign a new contract then so be it. Romeo is a decent replacement imo. For what its worth al the signings that Arsenal make from us never really turn out to be any better than they possibly were for us when they played and in some instances very rarely played(chambers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeky Monkey Posted 12 May, 2016 Share Posted 12 May, 2016 Mourinho has regularly played with a wanyama type player in his teams, eg Essen, makele. If he goes to man Utd would people be happy with a swap to get Morgan S. back ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 12 May, 2016 Share Posted 12 May, 2016 Mourinho has regularly played with a wanyama type player in his teams, eg Essen, makele. If he goes to man Utd would people be happy with a swap to get Morgan S. back ? Yes, but won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice2Eskimos Posted 12 May, 2016 Share Posted 12 May, 2016 Mourinho has regularly played with a wanyama type player in his teams, eg Essen, makele. If he goes to man Utd would people be happy with a swap to get Morgan S. back ? Same as poster above. Yes..but absolutely NO CHANCE of it happening whatsoever. Unless Van Gaal does a Fergie and kicks a boot at his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 13 May, 2016 Share Posted 13 May, 2016 Come on, that's poor. If he's available, he plays and nearly always for the full 90. He's in the same category as Forster, Bertrand, Fonte and VVD. Never dropped. Yes. He's one of the foundations the team is built around. Suggestions that he hasn't been a raging success for us our crazy. Suggestions he may have been a right ***** off the field are probably not that unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 May, 2016 Author Share Posted 19 May, 2016 http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11700/10287703/southampton-expect-victor-wanyama-to-be-tempted-away-this-summer-sky-sources Nothing that isn't expected. Good option for any team at the type of money will likely be able to get for him. Hard to sign any PL proven players with capability to improve for less than £15m which is probably what he would cost maximum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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